Agreed but bad teams taking high volume threes without the personnel doesn’t work. But then again, if their goal is to tank and lose as many games as possible but use the high volume 3s as a cover then I guess it’s working.
2016 Warriors attempted a league leadin 31.6 3s a game..... That would rank dead last this season in 3 point attempts
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Agreed but bad teams taking high volume threes without the personnel doesn’t work. But then again, if their goal is to tank and lose as many games as possible but use the high volume 3s as a cover then I guess it’s working.
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That doesn’t change the fact that big men can shoot now while every team back then (even the contenders) had 1-2 garbage man type big men in the rotation and aside from Dirk, none of them could really shoot 3’s. There’s no putting that toothpaste back in the tube.Right...people keep coming up with all these asinine gimmicky solutions to the 3-point excess like pushing the line back, eliminating the corner, only making the 3 count in certain times of the quarter () etc when the real solution is going back to the 80s/90s rules.
Getting rid of hand checking didn't help the wings like Kobe and LeBron much - but it helped the point guards a LOT. The decrease of physicality made it easier for the little guys to drive. When the NBA first implemented the zone in 02, they still had hand checking...and the result was offenses getitng even worse. But once point guards got freed up it gradually built to what we have now as they've created so many ways to beat zones.
Now obviously, with old school rules in the modern game guys are still gonna be taking way more 3's than they were back then but there would be more of the balance that people want.
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FunkDoc1112
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But like I just pointed out - IT'S WORKING. The 2020 Lakers and 2023 Nuggets are the only champions in the last 12 years to not be at least top 10 in made 3's, and even the tram right before the threshold- the 2012 Heat - reinvented themselves into a 3 point shooting team in the playoffs. Shooting is better than it ever has been before - you can see that in the percentages. The good teams do have the personnel and are succeeding with it. The "don't have the personnel" argument is factually wrong.
Bad teams dont work. It aint because of 3s. Its because they bad. If they had other options that would make them better they would pursue them. You gotta take a certain number of 3s just to be competitive in this league now.
FunkDoc1112
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Exactly. Those teams aren't bad BECAUSE they shoot too many 3's. They just suck. Anything they do is too much for what they're capable of.
Look at the 2020 Lakers for example - they couldn't shoot 3s at all, but they had crazy size and defense and could lean on that instead. If a team doesn't have those options...not much they can do.
Again, I’m saying it’s not working for all teams as in the bad teams who lack the personnel. The conversation is about all teams adopting the high volume threes strategy.
Silly logic.
So basically nobody should ever have a complaint about anything or want to improve anything?
No they don’t pursue them because again these white analytics guys have finessed there way into high positions. Bad teams should focus more on developing their young draft picks to be well rounded players. If they’re going to lose anyways because they lack the pieces and they’re young, the focus should be more on developing their young draft picks skill sets than shooting a ton of 3s. Y’all don’t see the finesse these analytics dudes have run to get jobs on bad teams?
FunkDoc1112
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My nikka what argument are you making????
The numbers showing that high volume threes are working for the good teams, and not working for the bad teams. As is the case with every strategy. The bad teams aren't bad because they shoot too many 3s, they're bad because they suck.
In order to make the cas that teams as a whole are shooting too many 3's, you need to show evidence. But the percentages shows they're shooting just as well from 3 today as they were when they were shooting half as many 3's - meaning that they're NOT shooting too many 3's. Moreover, the teams that have shot the most threes have been the most successful. There is no "shooting too many 3's." The results have shown that shooting more 3s have made teams better. Thus, the only justification you can have for the argument is looking at bad teams and using them as a strawman
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No.
People can have critiques.
But tell me, do you think this board is merely critiquing these leagues? Or are they more whining about every little goddamn thing?
I think it's a lot more of the 2nd one.
Bad teams tend to either have the worst analytics people or reject them moreso than the good teams. They tend to have worse development and worse eyes for talent as well. Thats what them bad...not shot selection.
But you can't really say it's working, because it's everyone playing the same way. If everyone is doing the exact same thing, someone still has to come out on top. If this strategy truly works, then the teams that attempt the most 3s should win it every year, have the best record or at least go to the Finals. The number of makes wouldn't matter if you're shooting more than everyone. Even most of the years that GS won it, Houston were leading the league in 3s. So this doubles back on having the personnel for it. In '23 Denver were in the bottom 5 of attempts and won the ring. The season before that, GS was #3 in attempts, with Min & Utah above them and Houston & Mil below. Mia were middle of the pack.
Last year was the first year that the 2/3 of the 3-pt attempts & makes were in the Finals. Hawks & Mem and BK were in Top 10 and didn't even make the playoffs. So, is it makes or is it attempts? Is it percentages? And if it's percentages, spamming 3s isn't necessary, it's all about the quality of them.
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