2016 Warriors attempted a league leadin 31.6 3s a game..... That would rank dead last this season in 3 point attempts

[In The Zone '98]

I have an honest question brehs, if a coach decided "fukk this 3 point shyt" and built a team around defense/shots in the paint/mid-range or whatever else, would they be able to compete without the 3 in today's NBA?

Maybe. But we've seen that algorithm already

Everybody hated when Kobe Harden Bron were shooting 15 free throws a night

 

[Gotright]

Maybe. But we've seen that algorithm already

Everybody hated when Kobe Harden Bron were shooting 15 free throws a night

Them nikkas never shot 15 fts a game lol

 

[In The Zone '98]

Them nikkas never shot 15 fts a game lol

Plenty of discussion on free throw disparity.

 

[Black Lightning]

NBA Highest Ppg By A Team In A Season | StatMuse

The Denver Nuggets have the most points per game by a team in a season, with 126.5 per game in 1981-82.

www.statmuse.com

16 teams took zero 3’s due to the era not having a three point line.

4(80-81 Nuggets, 81-82 Nuggets, 92-83 Nuggets & 83-84 Nuggets) took less than 5 a game.

5(22-23 Pacers, 24-25 Cavs, 24-25 Grizzlies, 22-23 Kings & 23-24 Celtics) took 35+ per game.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

You speak for their fans now?

What's that have to do with the last 1-2 years?

Resorting to ad hominem because you don't have an argument. Figures.

What do the Warriors have to do with this? Their window ended in 2022 (I made this abundantly clear at the time). Their legacy is solidified. I could give a fukk about what they do or don't do now. The game has moved on. There are better teams and players now. That's the whole part of the game.

They getting Zion next year since NO said they definitely ain't moving the fat nikka.

Just fukkin wit u but that would be the perfect fit for bro. Kerr and Dray ain't about to play that out of shape shyt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I have an honest question brehs, if a coach decided "fukk this 3 point shyt" and built a team around defense/shots in the paint/mid-range or whatever else, would they be able to compete without the 3 in today's NBA?

Nah.

Two reasons which are tied together - 33% from 3 is equal to 50% from 2, so if you’re not taking 3s, all the other jumpshots you take have to at least mirror the efficiency of teams hitting 3s, and given the league-average in 3-PT% is 36%, a team would have to hit their jumpers at around 55%, which isn’t realistic, and that’s just to meet the league-average, never mind competing with the best teams.

Second part of that is, defenses have to cover more ground guarding 3s, so if you’re actively not taking 3s, defenses will wise up to that, conserving more energy whilst also being able to guard that type of offense more closely because the floor space has shrunk. If the space between A to B is shorter, it’s going to be easier to defend, right? Meaning it’ll be harder to create open shots because defenders are up in your grill because they don’t need to cover the same amount of ground. This will also make it harder to get to the rim, because defenses can just build a wall and force you into taking long 2s, which means you’re going to use more energy on offense trying to get off shots.

It’s the reason why if you put the average 90s team up against the average team of this era, they’d get blown out in no time.

 

[CourtesyFlush]

Nah.

Two reasons which are tied together - 33% from 3 is equal to 50% from 2, so if you’re not taking 3s, all the other jumpshots you take have to at least mirror the efficiency of teams hitting 3s, and given the league-average in 3-PT% is 36%, a team would have to hit their jumpers at around 55%, which isn’t realistic, and that’s just to meet the league-average, never mind competing with the best teams.

Second part of that is, defenses have to cover more ground guarding 3s, so if you’re actively not taking 3s, defenses will wise up to that, conserving more energy whilst also being able to guard that type of offense more closely because the floor space has shrunk. If the space between A to B is shorter, it’s going to be easier to defend, right? Meaning it’ll be harder to create open shots because defenders are up in your grill because they don’t need to cover the same amount of ground. This will also make it harder to get to the rim, because defenses can just build a wall and force you into taking long 2s, which means you’re going to use more energy on offense trying to get off shots.

It’s the reason why if you put the average 90s team up against the average team of this era, they’d get blown out in no time.

Props on that well detailed answer breh

 

[FTBS]

I have an honest question brehs, if a coach decided "fukk this 3 point shyt" and built a team around defense/shots in the paint/mid-range or whatever else, would they be able to compete without the 3 in today's NBA?

No. You cant get good paint looks in the halfcourt without shooting. Teams will give you midrange all day. Can you consistently make enough to keep up with a team getting 3s and easier paint looks as a result of those 3s?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

The point is the analytics people who are bad are getting jobs primarily because that’s the wave and they’re analytics people instead of former players who would be better at developing young players.

Teams have been relying on analytics for decades. Your issue is semantic lmao.

The 96 Knicks literally had a whole bible dedicated to guarding Jordan complete with super minute stats about his tendencies and his shooting %s in different spots and situations.

 

[William Heavy]

The NBA does an ok job once the playoffs start, letting teams play more physical defense. The 3 point attempt numbers go down in the playoffs. Maybe they should take away that pseudo zone defense, force teams to play man to man, and bring back hand checking. Maybe that will sway the game to a 80's/90's style. The league should not change the 3 point line. That seems drastic. Teams just have to get better at running shooters off the line, or if there's a shytty shooter let him take the shot.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I have an honest question brehs, if a coach decided "fukk this 3 point shyt" and built a team around defense/shots in the paint/mid-range or whatever else, would they be able to compete without the 3 in today's NBA?

Nah.

Two reasons which are tied together - 33% from 3 is equal to 50% from 2, so if you’re not taking 3s, all the other jumpshots you take have to at least mirror the efficiency of teams hitting 3s, and given the league-average in 3-PT% is 36%, a team would have to hit their jumpers at around 55%, which isn’t realistic, and that’s just to meet the league-average, never mind competing with the best teams.

Second part of that is, defenses have to cover more ground guarding 3s, so if you’re actively not taking 3s, defenses will wise up to that, conserving more energy whilst also being able to guard that type of offense more closely because the floor space has shrunk. If the space between A to B is shorter, it’s going to be easier to defend, right? Meaning it’ll be harder to create open shots because defenders are up in your grill because they don’t need to cover the same amount of ground. This will also make it harder to get to the rim, because defenses can just build a wall and force you into taking long 2s, which means you’re going to use more energy on offense trying to get off shots.

It’s the reason why if you put the average 90s team up against the average team of this era, they’d get blown out in no time.

We saw this with the spurs and heat recently. Both teams in recent years have shot more long 2’s than 3’s and it leaves them as some of the most inefficient offenses in basketball.

The NBA does an ok job once the playoffs start, letting teams play more physical defense. The 3 point attempt numbers go down in the playoffs. Maybe they should take away that pseudo zone defense, force teams to play man to man, and bring back hand checking. Maybe that will sway the game to a 80's/90's style. The league should not change the 3 point line. That seems drastic. Teams just have to get better at running shooters off the line, or if there's a shytty shooter let him take the shot.

The 90’s style more than anything was a total lack of pace and movement while most players couldn’t shoot. By the end of the decade teams were playing 85 possessions per game regularly because half their players just couldn’t score or shoot so every possession was a grind. That’s a byproduct of a lack of talent and offensive creativity.

 

[Phantum]

Put up carnival rims


Make them nikkas play with no net


Make the ball heavier or bigger


Idk how to change it breh

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No you really are dumb. The bad teams should focus on other areas to generate offense to try to win. The NFL has become a passing league, but bad teams who have QBs who can’t consistently throw accurate deep balls don’t try to play like the Chiefs or Bills. The convo is about all teams trying to emulate a strategy without the pieces.

Bad teams would be even worse if they cut down their 3s.

3s open up other areas of the game, that's why the league has been trending in that direction for a decade now. They're not doing it for the hell of it. In order for the bad teams to catch up, this is the best method for them. I'm not sure while you're having such a hard time grasping this simple concept.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Put up carnival rims


Make them nikkas play with no net


Make the ball heavier or bigger


Idk how to change it breh

Nothing needs to change about the game. This is the only league where the majority of its media machine spends most of its time dumping on the league in favor of players and teams whose time was decades ago. Been this way for 20+ years now. That’s the issue. The way the league is covered on tv is what needs to change.

 

[charknicks]

One rule change that helped the abundance of chucking 3's is the now getting 3 free throws for being fouled on a 3. Wasnt as much incentive to taking a 3 when you get fouled and only get 2 FTs.

That and the much softer defense today then 10-20 years ago.