2014 Primetime Emmy Nominations

[satam55]

Amy Poehler joins Seth Meyers, Jimmy Fallon roasts Matthew McConaughey, Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Bryan Cranston kiss, a Robin Williams Tribute, and Breaking Bad sweeps their nominations.

 

[Wiirdo]

Jon Hamm never winning

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

After reading that posted link you are absolutely delusional if you don't think that Pizzolatto plagiarize and attempted to hide it

Disagree completely. Pizzolatto himself said ligotti was one of his main influences in writing the show. He mentioned him in several interviews.


If youre attempting to hide it you dont mention the source.

 

[Shogun]

Disagree completely. Pizzolatto himself said ligotti was one of his main influences in writing the show. He mentioned him in several interviews.


If youre attempting to hide it you dont mention the source.

Did you read the article that was posted? Ligotti was only mention when NP was prompted in an interview. He was never mentioned prior to that, when NP mentioned some other inspirations for his work.

It's shady, at the very least. Check out the article.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Did you read the article that was posted? Ligotti was only mention when NP was prompted in an interview. He was never mentioned prior to that, when NP mentioned some other inspirations for his work.

It's shady, at the very least. Check out the article.

I read it. That article Is one sided and not even attempting to be unbiased.




People were talking about ligotti, including the writer while the show was airing a long time before the accusations.



Heres an interview from feb, months befores the allegations with him discussing ligotti. Notice he brings him up first. He name drops the work himself, unprovoked. If youre hiding something you dont tell people to go read the very thing youre borrowing from.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-79577

 

[GulfCoastGhost]

they're so used to pushing the boundries as far as TV goes and Breaking Bad has pretty much changed how people watch TV series these days...

What kind of hyperbolic bullshyt is this?

You can't say that and give zero examples how it changed the game?

 

[MartyMcFly]

What kind of hyperbolic bullshyt is this?

You can't say that and give zero examples how it changed the game?

Yeah I agree. Breaking Bad didn't change the way people watch TV and it wasn't even the first to have an antihero as the protagonist

 

[Adam3000]

I read it. That article Is one sided and not even attempting to be unbiased.




People were talking about ligotti, including the writer while the show was airing a long time before the accusations.



Heres an interview from feb, months befores the allegations with him discussing ligotti. Notice he brings him up first. He name drops the work himself, unprovoked. If youre hiding something you dont tell people to go read the very thing youre borrowing from.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-79577

This article was after the 3rd episode aired. The plaigarism criticism article already notes that this is the time period he started to talk about it. This article changes nothing about the criticisms at hand.

 

[jdubnyce]

Jon Hamm never winning

2016 breh

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

This article was after the 3rd episode aired. The plaigarism criticism article already notes that this is the time period he started to talk about it. This article changes nothing about the criticisms at hand.

How can you say hes attempting to hide it when he talked about it long before he was accused? Does it really matter if he had talked about It before the first episode or after the third?


99% of tv shows and movies draw their influence from elsewhere. Should they all be accused of stealing too?


Theirs no doubt he was influenced and borrowed. But he acknowledged it and even listed the specific piece, long before anyone had accused him.



Matter of fact, that article fred posted even lists a definition of plaigarism as

paraphrasing another person’s work by changing some of the words, or the order of the words, without due acknowledgement of the source” and “using ideas taken from someone else without reference to the originator.”


Well he clearly referenced the originator in an interview and acknowledged it.



I mean, let's be real. Guys like shakespeare and Poe and lovecraft are heavily influential. I see characters, quotes and plots borrowed from them all the time. I never see people get accused of stealing their work.



Maybe its because ligotti is lesser known that people seem to be making a big deal of it.



But he clearly referenced ligotti long before that article came out. So this whole thing is silly to me. Especially when you consider its just one character.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

The folks at HBO have to be somewhat bitter that they passed on Breaking Bad... the fact that they've quickly snatched up a few of their writers, actors and directors from the show to work on their shyt says alot..

I woudn't be surprised if ttat was the main reason they wanted True Detective in the Drama category instead of the Mini Series one... they're so used to pushing the boundries as far as TV goes and Breaking Bad has pretty much changed how people watch TV series these days...

Breaking bad didnt change anything. Great show yes but what did it change? I cant think of anything.

 

[Adam3000]

How can you say hes attempting to hide it when he talked about it long before he was accused? Does it really matter if he had talked about It before the first episode or after the third?


99% of tv shows and movies draw their influence from elsewhere. Should they all be accused of stealing too?


Theirs no doubt he was influenced and borrowed. But he acknowledged it and even listed the specific piece, long before anyone had accused him.

But he clearly referenced ligotti long before that article came out. So this whole thing is silly to me. Especially when you consider its just one character.

You obviously have not read the criticism article. Here is the direct response to the WSJ article:

MD: But isn’t it true that Pizzolatto acknowledged Ligotti’s influence on True Detective and praised his work?

JP: In the many interviews Pizzolatto gave in the lead up to episode three, the show’s influences were discussed by the show’s creator at great length. You know who wasn’t mentioned by Pizzolatto until days after episode three aired? Ligotti.

MD: But in this Wall Street Journal interview, Pizzolatto does talk at length about Ligotti’s influence on the show.

JP: Only under pressure. Here’s what was happening behind the scenes: WSJ reporter Michael Calia and I (and plenty of other Ligotti readers) had already noticed that Rust Cohle’s monologues and other dialogue were peculiarly Ligottian (his prose is very distinctive). In an interview with the True Detective creator, Arkham Digest editor Justin Steele even brought up Cohle’s “Ligottian wordview”, and I was frustrated when Pizzolatto evaded his question, at least as it concerned Thomas Ligotti or his work. Three of nine commenters on that interview page also noticed that Pizzolatto appeared to be evasive in dealing with the Ligotti influence question. At that point, I tried to get an interview with Pizzolatto about Ligotti’s influence on True Detective—writing to his agent—but I was told politely that Pizzolatto was “up to his ears in post-production and working on season two of True Detective.”

Then I started digging. Mr. Calia was coincidentally already working on an article centering on the influence by past and present masters of weird horror tales on True Detective, so I decided to analyze Cohle’s familiar dialogue and compare it side by side with Ligotti’s prose in The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. I quickly sent Mr. Calia the results of my research, and he used just the tip of the iceberg of evidence I had uncovered in his article – perhaps cannily implying that “The Most Shocking Thing About HBO’s ‘True Detective’” was that Pizzolatto lifted text and ideas from an author he had hitherto explicitly refused to acknowledge as an influence.

Shortly after the article’s publication, Calia interviewed Pizzolatto in a follow-up to his original article. It seems that the “too busy” writer suddenly had time for an interview mostly about, you guessed it, Thomas Ligotti. Usually I would give any kind of writer who appeared so praising of Ligotti the benefit of the doubt, but I knew how deep the plagiarism issue ran, and I had no illusions that Pizzolatto suddenly and coincidentally wanted to talk about Ligotti after already having dozens and dozens of opportunities to do so before. Was Pizzolatto in damage control mode (i.e., “I don’t want to get in legal trouble” mode)? Quite suddenly Thomas Ligotti was one of his top literary influences, an acknowledgement that would never be repeated again in a full-length interview or, to my knowledge, elsewhere

Not sure why you are when it is only one specific character he is being accused of stealing for. Its not like anyone is saying the whole show was stolen. This is blatant plagiarism. You know what would have prevented it from being that? If Rust the character had asked "have you read the works of Ligotti" before spewing distinct words and phrases lifted directly from his work. But no, Rust spoke like he was the originator of the words, and thus it follows that the writer is speaking like he is the originator of the words.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

You obviously have not read the criticism article. Here is the direct response to the WSJ article:



Not sure why you are when it is only one specific character he is being accused of stealing for. Its not like anyone is saying the whole show was stolen. This is blatant plagiarism. You know what would have prevented it from being that? If Rust the character had asked "have you read the works of Ligotti" before spewing distinct words and phrases lifted directly from his work. But no, Rust spoke like he was the originator of the words, and thus it follows that the writer is speaking like he is the originator of the words.

All I see is a bunch of vague nonsense.



So he's "under pressure" thats the only reason he acknowledged it. Sorry I dont buy that. The writer of the article is a random nobody from some small website. Him turning down an interview with him isnt exactly damning.



Why did the article take long to be released if this guy had known about it for so long. Surely he could have had an article up within minutes of the show airing.


Seems more like a guy desperate for his website to be popular.

 

[Adam3000]

All I see is a bunch of vague nonsense.



So he's "under pressure" thats the only reason he acknowledged it. Sorry I dont buy that. The writer of the article is a random nobody from some small website. Him turning down an interview with him isnt exactly damning.



Why did the article take long to be released if this guy had known about it for so long. Surely he could have had an article up within minutes of the show airing.


Seems more like a guy desperate for his website to be popular.

Possibly. Tough debate

 

[FlyRy]

other than jeff daniels last year it seems like the same people/shows have won in the same categories the past 3 years