2/22 FOX/ESPN PPV | Wilder vs Fury II

[reservoirdogs]

They always do this and make excuses, delusional has been them and their teams downfall. This is a major issue, AJ fukked up vs Ruiz and made serious real changes and didn't make excuses, if you don't accept reality you can't improve. Wilder's ego and delusion are out of control and detrimental to his own progression and improvement, I said to a close friend a few weeks ago he's a loss waiting to happen and a disaster waiting to happen, 1 of the key reasons I said that is his delusion, you can't improve if you always constantly make stupid ridiculous excuses, he's a pathological liar and that's not healthy.

IT also doesn't help that he's 34

I only partially agree though. On one hand, while I think there really was a big delusion from Wilder's and his fans' side, namely that he ALWAYS going to get away with banking on 2 punches (straight right, overhand right) when this NEVER happened in boxing history. One trick ponies always paid the price of being a one-trick pony after all. On the other hand, I think he improved as a fighter since his early days as a champion. Maybe not by a mile but the version who beat Ortiz the first time was better than the one who struggled with Szpilka until the KO or couldn't get Duhaupas outta his feet.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Fury's performance in that fight was pretty special, has to be said, he's making history. It reminded me of Ali when nobody thought he'd knock out Foreman, Foreman was the killer puncher that most thought was gonna destroy or kill Ali but Ali showed the heart and skill to get Foreman out of there and Fury did the same. That's the type of shyt legends are made of, mixed with his story. If he carries on he'll create 1 hell of a legacy.

 

[The axe murderer]

fukk that clown

 

[The axe murderer]

That shredder outfit mess up his leg

 

[Lewis Black]

Wilder since that first knockdown

 

[The Ruler 09]

The fact that he says his power erases all his mistakes in the pre-fight interview had me like

So your reason as to why you don’t try to improve as a boxer is because your power bails you out.

Could never get past that because eventually you’re going to run into a bigger guy that can punch and box that’s gonna put you on your ass ie this fight and Fury is not even as big as a puncher as Joshua....

Fury just cut out all that slick boxing shyt and focused more on attacking... on top of weighing between 270-300lbs and coming forward, putting all that weight and pressure on him and into his shots.

He says a lot of bullshyt, some of it is arrogance, the whole I only need to be perfect for 2 seconds bullshyt too is a terrible mentality to have, yeah maybe when you're fighting absolute bums like he has for most of his fights that works, but when you fight top quality opposition it doesn't always work like that. It just can't always work like that because somebody will put together a game plan where you struggle to land and then you get desperate. You can beat bums relying on 1 punch but rarely top elite boxers. He got far too reliant on the power, hell yeah use it, but it should be a weapon in his arsenal not a crutch and a get out, because at some points it's not gonna work against top opponents.

He should have challenged himself long ago, because he would have learned these lessons, if he fought top level fighters he'd have way less knockouts than he has, but at least he'd learn he has to improve other aspects of his skillset.

I spoke to some people big in boxing the morning of the fight, a few very big people in boxing, they told me they were betting on a Fury stoppage. A lot of the astute boxing people knew this was possible who can't be fooled by hype.

There's fights for Wilder I'd like to see, I'd like to see him against a Ruiz 1 day and a Dubois if he fulfills his potential. There's plenty of fights for him, I think he'll be a player but I just hope he takes shyt serious and doesn't revert back to type, he should fight challenging opponents he can learn against. He has to face problems and obstacles in fights and learn to overcome them, he looked clueless and lost.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Ruiz beats Wilder.

I think so too

I would watch that fight... not on Ppv though

 

[The Ruler 09]

IT also doesn't help that he's 34

I only partially agree though. On one hand, while I think there really was a big delusion from Wilder's and his fans' side, namely that he ALWAYS going to get away with banking on 2 punches (straight right, overhand right) when this NEVER happened in boxing history. One trick ponies always paid the price of being a one-trick pony after all. On the other hand, I think he improved as a fighter since his early days as a champion. Maybe not by a mile but the version who beat Ortiz the first time was better than the one who struggled with Szpilka until the KO or couldn't get Duhaupas outta his feet.

Oh no he has, he's improved since the very beginning for sure, but I think he got too reliant on the power still, he focused on that too much. Use it a lot, it's his biggest strength but you have to have more at top top level.

 

[Phitz]

That slow motion video where it looked like Fury was licking Wilder's neck had me nauseous

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I can’t even listen to this guy


Shows how much people really dikkrode Wilder on his power.

I had Tyson winning the first one and had him winning it convincingly here before the fight (didn’t expect the TKO tho). In the first fight Tyson has a 3 YEAR layoff... still came in and beat Wilder with just pure boxing.

Now he comes back with ring rust gone, a couple wins under his belt, bigger/stronger, etc. How could you not pick him over a guy that literally only throws one punch? Dangerous punch yeah, but that’s it.

mince I watched the fight and saw Fury walking him down I thought it was smart but dangerous because he’s applying the pressure and ring generalship needed to convince judges he’s winning plus to see if Wilder can box or punch going backwards... and he couldn’t.

Wilder wasn’t big enough to come forward, jab was weak, wasn’t good enough a boxer to properly counter, didn’t have nearly enough defense to avoid getting hit, etc. all he had was a right hand and Fury was not just evading that... he was neutralizing it.

 

[Dushane Hill]

The funny thing is all the people in here bringing up race and making it a factor are the same people who were rooting for Ruiz against Joshua and the same people who will inevitably be rooting for Fury against Joshua as well.

 

[The Ruler 09]

 

[Uchiha God]

 

[The Up Right Man]

BOMB SQUAD!!!


*Edit*
Oh

 

[theflyest]

I was skeptical until I heard Sugar Hill talk, as soon as I heard him talk I believed it because he seemed like a straight shooter that wasn't about no bullshyt. He also explained it, Tyson also explained it, from then I believed, knowing the weight confirmed it 100 percent to me, but soon as I heard Sugar Hill I believed in what he said.

Yeah, he won the first fight quite clearly but didn't get the decision so he wanted to take it out of the refs hands. It made sense, was it a risk, sure, but so was the other way. That's actually the best way to beat Wilder though, pressure him, that's the best strategy to beat him.

Yeah you make a good point there, Tyson isn't a power puncher, this performance and result doesn't change that, he doesn't have really have that Wilder power, or AJ but he's a very good boxer and as I've always said he can punch a bit, he punches hard enough where it can hurt and cause an effect, when he's weighing 19.7 stone or whatever he was that is gonna cause an effect with multiple shots.

The old adage is the boxer beats the puncher, it doesn't always work like that but in the build up by many it seemed to be completely ignored, I made Tyson a slight favourite in the fight, it was pretty much to me if Wilder could catch him enough I knew he could hurt him but Fury also could outbox him which he did, just it was an aggressive approach this time. This is the perfect fight that demonstrates casuals just don't understand boxing, and a lot of the dikkriding that goes on, Steve Kim was 1 of the few people talking sense, even though he ultimately picked Wilder, he picked up on a lot of real shyt in terms of the group think mentality and hype. Wilder was a hype job, I don't even mean that disrespectfully, but he was is a hype job, you have to judge him when he faces top level competition not guys he will destroy, this was his first truly elite fighter he's ever faced and got destroyed in a 1 sided domination and humiliation. A lot of fighters would have remained undefeated if they'd fought most of the opponents he had. People wondered why he wasn't a bigger star, because he has a lot of positive attributes, 1 of the key reasons is cause he avoided competition, his career path could have been much better and it would have prepared him better for a night like that, but he looked lost and clueless in there, no plan B at all.

People don’t understand the level of discipline and how hard it is to outbox a guy for 12 rounds. It may appear easy from the outside looking in, but it’s far from that. I’ve always thought the best way to really BEAT Wilder was to stop him.

As far as Fury’s power, if I were looking at it in a p4p sense, I would say he’s in that lane with guys like Ward/Mayweather/Crawford/Marquez/Etc. We’re talking guys with respectable power, but not viewed as punchers. These guys are high level boxers though. If they truly feel the best way to win a fight is to knock the guy out, they can make that a reality. It’s no different from Ward going into the second fight to knock out Kovalev. Marquez came in with that mentality in the last PAC fight, knocking him down twice.

When a high level boxer is COMMITTED to knocking you out, it’s just

I’ll admit I had doubts about Fury because he came in at 273, but I thought about it and was like hell he’s 6’9. He should be able to make it work.