$15.00 an hour isn't a lot of money.

[Benefited]

You live with your parents, have a roomate, or split shyt cost with your girl. No way anyone living on they own with that salary.

Living with parents,a roomate,your girl on 15$ an hour would actually make you a genius

But sadly too many of us are shortsighted and moreso just have a need to have our "own shyt" and not have to coexist and comprimise with others. If your young thats a wise decision to make to get a nice head start in life.

 

[Pressure]

I'm all for collective bargaining/voluntary unions But federal mandatesThat one shoe fits all shyt doesn't work.

In every thread about a wage increase state or federal you speak out against it.

But why can't you raise the min wage to $40/hr?
Thats the point being made.
You can't assert "raising the min wage doesn't hurt businesses", then say "raising it that high will hurt businesses".
What proponents need to do is clearly state what kind of raise they are talking about. Otherwise you open the door to this extremely tired argument...



Now I know asking the left to be clear is a tall order, and its unlikely to happen, but it would be nice.

Abolishing the min wage alone, is definitely not the answer, and I apologize if I have been giving that impression, but as we have seen with the last 20-30 minimum wage increases it isnt the solution either.
Raising the wage doesn't solve the problem, yet its the only course of action you are willing to entertain... enlighten me as to why that is?

The highest purchasing power globally is found in luxemburg, at just over $10.
$15 is insane




edit: @ Mexico

When will the left throw min wage in the bushes, and focus on collective bargaining and stronger safety nets?

The numbers speak for themselves.

For a time, til inflation eats the wage and your looking at another wage increase.(I think we are on our 27th wage increase) Its not a solution nor a good band-aid IMHO.

I'd also question the underlined, you lift nearly 1 million or so (using CBO estimates) and add 500,000 to social programs... This cant be the kind of progress we are looking for?

Niqqas cant even read, and they gonna be making $15+ an hour


I dont even know what to say anymore.

I'm gonna find the article and add it to this post, but black people are being priced out at a faster pace with the wage increase... same story as every S.F. and everywhere else min wage is raised... sooner or later ya'll gonna have to wake up and smell the coffee. You are supporting black displacement.

You even created this thread:

minimum wage crusade :snoop:

 

[Knowledge]

You got a car note don’t you breh

2 are paid off and I owe on the other 2, mortgage ain't bad but the house up keep is expensive

 

[FatherSimp]

This the Coli Broke nikkas ain't wanted

if you ain't making 100 per hr get the fukk outta this site

 

[Scott Larock]

Naw $15 bucks an hour is poor. $32k annually is not middle class in 2017.

I just started a career at a older age, I'm not complaining it's the experience that counts for the bucks to come in.

I congratulate myself and not going to jail and failing to expectations of the world, I took my L for a long time and now it's looking up, I'll take being "poor" while I learn and grow with job skills.

btw this thread is real talk but America nor anywhere in the world has the ability to pay everyone 6 figures even if every man, woman and child had a PHD and was worth 6 figures.

I got a nikka staying with me with a PHD in Engineering but he's waiting on that big business to drop so he can cop that million dollar spot in Miami Beach.

Society will make you feel like shyt if you can't compete with others, you gotta separate yourself from the pack sometimes and find peace outside of money.

Yes it's broke nikka talk but I am in jail or dead or beating women up nikka

 

[Two Stacks]

Must not be that bad I have a friend with three kids and a mortgage and she still manages making 14-15 hr she also works for the government.(she pays reduced child care)

She has to be getting some help in some form. Family, friends, govt asst, child support. $15 an hour is only $1500 a month after taxes, maybe 1600-1700 if she properly reports her kids on her taxes. If her rent is $600, she still has to spend money on food, clothing, electricity, transportation, and likely child care for her kids.

15 dollars an hour is enough to live off of and still have some $$$ after you've paid your bills (unless you live in LA or NYC)

that's what I was making 10 years ago when i first entered corporate america; I did just fine. better than most actually.

I wasn't BALLING though. I was driving a semi-nice paid off car, and I had an apartment.

the problem is everybody wants to live above their means; gotta have the latest clothes, cars, and shoes, rims for the whip, a sound system etc etc..

grow up first and you'll realize 15 dollars an hour is just fine.

$15 an hour is not that much money, it is NOT enough for a single person to live off of.

I live in the south, my rent isn't two of those checks. I also live pretty close to downtown, if I moved further out and downgraded I could pay even less.

You could make it off $15 in Houston, you won't throwing money in the air but it could work. Still, under $15 an hour is a red flag.

IDK why people think living check to check is ideal. Let me break this down for ya'll using my salary.

I make $14.36 per hour, and I am full time. I don't work 40 hours a week, mostly between 35-38 hours a week. Let's just say that I did. I am single, no kids. I live in New Orleans.

My take home pay is $1660 if I work 40 hours a week each week for a month. Rent here for a 1 bed room is $750.

Rent: $750, which leaves me with $910. That's necessity #1. I have to have electricity, which I currently pay $150 a month for, let's halve that and say $75. So now I have $835, half my money left. Necessity #2.

Necessity #3 and 4 are car insurance and gas for my car, which costs me $200 a month. I don't have a car note, and car insurance is high here. Now i'm at $635.

I have to eat, let's say I NEVER eat out and always cook and bring lunch to work, even though I work a lot of nights. Let's says that's $100. I'm at $535. Those are the bare necessities that are needed.

When you add in things like rising food costs, rising rent costs, rising car insurance costs, and the fact that sometimes i can be reduced down to 32 hours per week, then what do I do?

Finally, what about saving (which is what good people do, if they can)? Emergencies? What about the luxuries that we consider necessities today?

Cell phones
Cable
Internet
Expensive food items and clothes?
Expensive electronics?

And people try to use the "dont need it argument". Which is true, but how many people have a recent galaxy or iphone (within the last 2 years or so)? Almost everyone in here.

 

[8WON6]

She has to be getting some help in some form. Family, friends, govt asst, child support. $15 an hour is only $1500 a month after taxes, maybe 1600-1700 if she properly reports her kids on her taxes. If her rent is $600, she still has to spend money on food, clothing, electricity, transportation, and likely child care for her kids.



$15 an hour is not that much money, it is NOT enough for a single person to live off of.



IDK why people think living check to check is ideal. Let me break this down for ya'll using my salary.

I make $14.36 per hour, and I am full time. I don't work 40 hours a week, mostly between 35-38 hours a week. Let's just say that I did. I am single, no kids. I live in New Orleans.

My take home pay is $1660 if I work 40 hours a week each week for a month. Rent here for a 1 bed room is $750.

Rent: $750, which leaves me with $910. That's necessity #1. I have to have electricity, which I currently pay $150 a month for, let's halve that and say $75. So now I have $835, half my money left. Necessity #2.

Necessity #3 and 4 are car insurance and gas for my car, which costs me $200 a month. I don't have a car note, and car insurance is high here. Now i'm at $635.

I have to eat, let's say I NEVER eat out and always cook and bring lunch to work, even though I work a lot of nights. Let's says that's $100. I'm at $535. Those are the bare necessities that are needed.

When you add in things like rising food costs, rising rent costs, rising car insurance costs, and the fact that sometimes i can be reduced down to 32 hours per week, then what do I do?

Finally, what about saving (which is what good people do, if they can)? Emergencies? What about the luxuries that we consider necessities today?

Cell phones
Cable
Internet
Expensive food items and clothes?
Expensive electronics?

And people try to use the "dont need it argument". Which is true, but how many people have a recent galaxy or iphone (within the last 2 years or so)? Almost everyone in here.

Just save and work your way up to being the regional VP of some fortune 500 company. It's that easy.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

$15 an hour is not that much money, it is NOT enough for a single person to live off of.


.

on the coli, a person in america living outside of LA and NYC
making 31K a year would essentially be homeless and/or living out of cheap hotel rooms and eating .99 cent value meals to get by.

that's what i'm getting from this discussion.

 

[acri1]

Like I said in another thread, I made about 15/hr (a little less actually) when I was in my early 20s and I still got by. Granted, I had a small 1-bedroom apartment and a used car, but I was able to take care of myself fine. But my rent was only like $400/month, so again it just depends on where you live. Obviously you couldn't make it in NY or LA on the same salary.

 

[knickscity]

Nobody said homeless, but miss a check or two and you might be at 15/hr.

 

[Two Stacks]

Also, here's proper calculation.

Hourly wage x 2080= yearly salary.

15 x 2080= $31,200 gross before taxes. After taxes its about 20-21k.

 

[2stainz]

Gotta have the right income to have the right credit, and very true, you gotta know what to do with that income to help build and maintain good credit. But like I mentioned and I'm sure you agree, that's why the vast majority who did mention places to live mentioned RENT. I'd be curious to ask any of these guys that believe $15 is good what is their credit scores. I'd doubt any are at even 650 and that's considered fair. but that's another topic.

I am wondering if these livable cases involve having a decent, reliable cars, preferably one still under warranty. I ask this and I did make a call to one of my cousins who lives in the south, Memphis in particular.

Spoiler

I've seen it when I have visited, they have a lot of buy here/pay here places, all up and down streets two named Lamar ave and Winchester road, but one is highly notorious there....American Car Center. It's a used car place that doesn't sell cars outright, but rather leases them. Your leasing a used car, the option to buy comes later.

A 2012 Ford Fusion for instance would likely run 205 every two weeks, for three years, totally roughly 15 grand for an 9 grand car.. After that, you either give it back, and don't keep it...or you pay a residual price, which is basically equal to what you've been paying for the two weeks for another 6 mos, then you can keep it. the don't really check credit, all you need is a job they can verify. I'm sure other cities have this awfulness that is called a business.

I left my tabs up to help prove its me, plus the date its updated is on there also. Ive already posted my liquid net worth also here:

what is your liquid net worth right now? if you coming in here get ready to post evidence.

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[Vinny Lupton]

Everyone in this thread pays too much for phone service

 

[Scott Larock]

It depends when I made 13.30 in Alabama I was straight......because I got consistent overtime every month I payed my apartment childsupport had a new car note money to blow was in and out of Atlanta I was alright... ....this was in 2011and I bought my wife wedding ring and our honeymoon trip to Aruba all off overtime.

I heard Alabama real cheap, I think that's the next spot people go, like Texas 10 years ago, once bama get's a better job market and markets itself better people will move up there. It's cheap.

The south ain't as cheap as it once was... Gentrification has pushed rent up in most if not all the major cities below the dixen

Yeah Florida, South Florida is a good example of that, but then again we gotta take into account the large amount of single people who seek something from a woman or man, they'll be spending more to fit in and try to get something back, it's not really the money that's the issue, it's the expectation of what others want which makes the jobs pay as little as they can because demand is high with so many people flocking to the states.

I want to share that more than half of Florida makes less than $15/hour.

Florida is really a great example, nice weather but mass poverty and lots of bytching and complaining, articles about being a shytty city to find love while driving a bimmer and can't make payments. The expectations passed reality years ago and we're seeing the after effect of that.

 

[DEAD7]

In every thread about a wage increase state or federal you speak out against it.
















You even created this thread:

minimum wage crusade :snoop:

I see what you did there.
#respect






I do oppose minimum wages completely... but if they must exist I want them to be implemented at the state level.
If it was all up to me i'd abolish the min wage(along with safety nets) and institute a UBI.