11/14 ESPN: Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook (WBO Welterweight Title)

[BOXINGGEMS]

nikka you just said it when I quoted you, you said Spence beat PRIME Brook implying that Crawford beat a washed version. fukk outta here with the Roy shyt. you must be a youngin. in real time everyone always complained about Roys opp post Toney. why was he fighting an old McCallum, why was he ducking Dariusz. blah blah. so yeah, you dont know what tf you talmbout. I remember nikkas clowning Roy for beating up on the Telesco's and the Del Valle's. what fighters were top tier??? I will wait. the best fighters he fought for years after fighting Toney were Hill, Reggie Johnson, and McCallum who people said was old. They said Hill was washed too and his biggest name opponent was Hearns, 7 years prior and he lost that! making up debates when you just picked Brook to beat Crawford. @patscorpio tell these dudes to check my resume.

Roy Jones Jr. was raised under the rules of cockfighting

ROY JONES JR., THE BEST BOXER POUND FOR PUND, WAS RAISED UNDER THE RULES OF COCKFIGHTING: WIN OR DIE

"By the end he'll be known as the best boxer, pound for pound, in the world, 28-0 with 24 knockouts, the super middleweight champion whom some will call the best boxer since Sugar Ray. Not Leonard. Robinson. "Forget Leonard," WBC light heavyweight champion Mike McCallum will say. "This boy is faster than Leonard. He hits harder, and he can knock you out when he's going backwards. You'll see."

BOXING; By Any Measure, Jones Prevails (Published 1995)

"That was no mythical fighter in the ring tonight.

It was Roy Jones Jr., who made a statement about being the world's best fighter, pound for pound, inch for inch, or by any other measurement.

Pound for Pound, Roy Jones Jr. Wants to Match Michael Jordan

Pound for Pound, Roy Jones Jr. Wants to Match Michael Jordan
"Super-middleweight champion Roy Jones Jr., generally considered one of the two best fighters in the world, and perhaps one of the best ever, says he’s about to pull a reverse Michael Jordan: retire, then play professional basketball."

Each of those articles are from 1995. After the Toney fight because that was a fight Jones WAS NOT THE FAVORITE TO WIN. I remember the fight, I was only 5 years old at the time but my pops is a huge RJJ fan. We from FL. You talking to somebody who been watching boxing forever. Roy was undoubtedly on the P4P list for anyone after beating Toney. fukk what they said about the comp at 175, he was STILL on their list.

EASY WORK



Now come up with another lie bruh

 

[surv2syn]

This fight answered my question if Crawford could handle a big opponent and he did, but he also answered a few more questions which is why I'm doubling down on my Spence pick over Crawford.

Brook was hitting Crawford clean more than he was hitting Spence clean, Spence didn't have his eyes swole up by the end of round 2 against Brook. Also another thing that I have noticed is that this fight was once again at a slow pace, Spence fights at a much faster pace than either of these fighters, far more active, far more physicality to his style.

There are a lot of things about Spence's style that are subtle and built in to it you just can't adjust to all of it, no matter how good of a boxer you are, and Spence makes adjustments just as fast as Crawford does. Spence shoots his jab high and pushes it slightly to control your head position and keep your lead hand out of position to keep you from establishing range, he also does it to make it hard for you to come over the top and counter him Crawford could adjust to that with lateral movement, but then Crawford would have to play into Spence's style of cutting off the ring coming forward and keeping you on the defensive and since Crawford is the longer fighter and going side to sideor backwards takes more energy and you move slower eventually Spence would cut him off and find a way inside. Spence has busy hands, he can be caught coming out of exchanges, but he blocks and parries most punches when he is coming in your best shot is to catch Spence between punches. Also you can't adjust to a constant body attack either. Y'all be thinking I'm crazy but the more I watch them fight the more I think Spence is just all wrong for this dude bro.

I like your assessments, but the one thing everyone is underestimating is Crawford's ability to adapt. He is the best at this since Floyd. There were things Floyd didnt do against Zab because he know he would be in danger. Crawford aint fighting Spence the same way he fought Brook. Look for a more defensive Crawford if that fight comes off.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

washed names and no hopers over 3 divisions. yeah ok. charge it to the game then.

he getting millions for beating up on bums. let yall tell it. if you dont want to give credit, fine, but you are not doing the sport any justice. I remember when people were clowning me in a newsgroup after I said Pac was gonna dominate after he beat Ledwaba. same thing I said after Crawford beat Prescott. they were like...Ledwaba??? if you know you know.

No credit? Nah. Just countering the over hype. Yea Crawfords good. Top p4p for 5 years without beating anyone close to p4p? Hard no.

 

[surv2syn]

Roy Jones Jr. was raised under the rules of cockfighting



BOXING; By Any Measure, Jones Prevails (Published 1995)



Pound for Pound, Roy Jones Jr. Wants to Match Michael Jordan



Each of those articles are from 1995. After the Toney fight because that was a fight Jones WAS NOT THE FAVORITE TO WIN. I remember the fight, I was only 5 years old at the time but my pops is a huge RJJ fan. We from FL. You talking to somebody who been watching boxing forever. Roy was undoubtedly on the P4P list for anyone after beating Toney. fukk what they said about the comp at 175, he was STILL on their list.

EASY WORK



Now come up with another lie bruh

horrible. where did I lie? you must be illiterate. Roy was favored to win all those fights by a mile. he was untouched. in real time, Roy was catching hell for his opp, but what could he do? it was his dominance in the ring, not his opponents that gained him P4P status. you in here trying to argue Roy was p4p when I said he was? nikka I am a RJJ fan. foh.

 

[BOXINGGEMS]

horrible. where did I lie? you must be illiterate. Roy was favored to win all those fights by a mile. he was untouched. in real time, Roy was catching hell for his opp, but what could he do? it was his dominance in the ring, not his opponents that gained him P4P status. you in here trying to argue Roy was p4p when I said he was? nikka I am a RJJ fan. foh.

You said Bud is P4P based on eye test and not necessarily his resume, similar to Roy. He beat Toney, who is better than any fighter skillwise Bud ever beat. His P4P status was cemented bc Toney was already proven. Bud don't have a single name close to that.

RJJ was solidified already even while fighting lesser comp than he could have. I know the list of fighters he could of fought, but he already beat Toney and Hopkins, which was a win that aged in his favor. You making all these arguments to prove Bud deserves to be the best P4P fighter and nobody argued against him being a great fighter.

What is the point you're trying to make? That Bud is the best P4P? Ok he's one of the best clearly at 147 and I have said that repeatedly. Are there are other fighters at 147 have better resumes? Yes. Are there fighters who were at 140 like Danny Garcia with better resumes at 140 than Bud? Yes. What's next point you want to make?

 

[surv2syn]

No credit? Nah. Just countering the over hype. Yea Crawfords good. Top p4p for 5 years without beating anyone close to p4p? Hard no.

you been talking this overhype for years. who is p4p in your eyes? and again, its just mythical...so who cares. my point is just like I was telling breh....Bud is viewed this way because of his dominance. roy was p4p for a decade, not because he was beating p4p fighters though. damn near same thing for Floyd after beating Chico. you cant fight top 10 fighters in the world every other fight.

 

[NormanConnors]

Im with you breh...but making the fights aint as easy as we think. for you to see him in the mix, he would need to go over to PBC when his contract is up. this is the major problem with boxing is the way the game is set up.

True enough, I know he had an opportunity before reupping with Bob prior, but I hope he switches now. I grew up along the lines of 80'd - early 90's boxing. The ABC Saturday afternoon shyt . Even the fight matchup posters back then was dope lol. PBC kind of brought that feeling back for me with the lil round robin they had setup with Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Spence and etc. I just want to see Bud in the mix as well to see what the deal is with these fades.

 

[surv2syn]

You said Bud is P4P based on eye test and not necessarily his resume, similar to Roy. He beat Toney, who is better than any fighter skillwise Bud ever beat. His P4P status was cemented bc Toney was already proven. Bud don't have a single name close to that.

RJJ was solidified already even while fighting lesser comp than he could have. I know the list of fighters he could of fought, but he already beat Toney and Hopkins, which was a win that aged in his favor. You making all these arguments to prove Bud deserves to be the best P4P fighter and nobody argued against him being a great fighter.

What is the point you're trying to make? That Bud is the best P4P? Ok he's one of the best clearly at 147 and I have said that repeatedly. Are there are other fighters at 147 have better resumes? Yes. Are there fighters who were at 140 like Danny Garcia with better resumes at 140 than Bud? Yes. What's next point you want to make?

broski....you said verbatim, if you want me to quote will do so....that roy was beating "top tier" fighters. please name these top tier fighters post Toney. FOR YEARS Roy and Dariusz were the top two 175lbers and they never fought. Griffin and none of them dudes were considered top-tier at 175...not even Reggie Johnson, he was just acclaimed because he was a middleweight champion. you are penalizing Bud because he has fought his "toney" well neither has Spence. this is why we say this would be like SRL Hearns if they meet. the point I am trying to make is the double talk. you saying Bud is one of the best at 147 but yet picked Brook to beat him. you cant talk your way out of that one.

 

[BOXINGGEMS]

you been talking this overhype for years. who is p4p in your eyes? and again, its just mythical...so who cares. my point is just like I was telling breh....Bud is viewed this way because of his dominance. roy was p4p for a decade, not because he was beating p4p fighters though. damn near same thing for Floyd after beating Chico. you cant fight top 10 fighters in the world every other fight.

This is the issue I'm having with your opinion...you keep trying to put Bud in the same category as Floyd or Roy but the guys they beat to become P4P were fighters that were solidified and even after losing CONTINUED to be champions. You cannot say that about anyone on Bud resume. That's all bro, I'm leaving it alone after this bc you firm in that. I ain't trying to sway nobody.

 

[surv2syn]

True enough, I know he had an opportunity before reupping with Bob prior, but I hope he switches now. I grew up along the lines of 80'd - early 90's boxing. The ABC Saturday afternoon shyt . Even the fight matchup posters back then was dope lol. PBC kind of brought that feeling back for me with the lil round robin they had setup with Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Spence and etc. I just want to see Bud in the mix as well to see what the deal is with these fades.

if Bud wants to be great he will and I believe he does. cant fault him for rolling with Bob these few years because he has become very rich and thats the ultimate point of getting in the sport is to feed your family. he got the bag. now lets see if he wants the glory.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Why does Keith Thurmans and Shawn Porters names keep popping up ?
Manny and Spence bring the money and the belts any of those other pbc fighters don’t matter .

Why did Kell Brook and Amir Khan get fights?

 

[Bigblackted4]

Because we’re fight fans and we want to see the best fight the best. I’m not these fighters managers and promoters.

No other sport do you see fans saying shyt like “Tom Brady should sit this NFC championship game out just in case he get hurt, he in a contract year. Yea the Saints are good but they not as good as Mahomes’ Chiefs so he should bypass a good win bc it don’t mean as much as the SB”.

We want the best fighters to fight each other, I’m not trying to build fighters that’s not my business. And when the fans stop helping these fighters cruise in between the big fights we’ll have a better sport.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Part of me wishes Pac to just retire, not only because he's 42 but also because the money he means these dudes are distracted with chasing him instead of wanting each other first and foremost. I mean c'mon Bud and Spence... I know the kind of recognition and money a Pac win would get yall but Pac vs either of you is not the defining fight of this 147 division, Bud vs Spence gonna be it.

And @ every fifth votes here thought Brook would win, what made yall think that? I guess some of you really ust holding a grudge against Crawford.

Dudes voting with hate or UK love and not they damn head.

 

[surv2syn]

This is the issue I'm having with your opinion...you keep trying to put Bud in the same category as Floyd or Roy but the guys they beat to become P4P were fighters that were solidified and even after losing CONTINUED to be champions. You cannot say that about anyone on Bud resume. That's all bro, I'm leaving it alone after this bc you firm in that. I ain't trying to sway nobody.

where did I unequivocally put Bud in the same category? (even though he is) that doesnt mean he is better. why yall in here talmbout Spence vs Crawford is our SRL/Hearns/Hagler if they not in that class present day? you aint hearin me doggie. Bud is viewed as p4p because of the way he is disposing of opp. Roy was the same way. Floyd was the same way. when Floyd won fighter of the year the first time it was after he dispatched of Hernandez and Manfredy. Manfredy was not a great fighter. it was that Floyd was dominating at 130. when Floyd became universally recognized as the best was after Chico. Bud's Chico is Spence and Spence' Floyd is Bud or however you wanna phrase it. if you dont think these guys are in that class they why are you even watching this shyt? yall not propping up the sport by saying this type of stuff. if SRL wouldve lost to Benetez there would be no Hearns fight. you need to be hyping both Bud and Spence instead of saying "aww this dude aint p4p" check my history, I been saying for 3 years that Spence and Bud are the two BEST fighters in the world.....PERIOD. I say that for a reason since neither of them will be fighting Canelo.

 

[surv2syn]

This is the issue I'm having with your opinion...you keep trying to put Bud in the same category as Floyd or Roy but the guys they beat to become P4P were fighters that were solidified and even after losing CONTINUED to be champions. You cannot say that about anyone on Bud resume. That's all bro, I'm leaving it alone after this bc you firm in that. I ain't trying to sway nobody.

here is my point...and we can start a side thread on this....no thang....yall must dont remember how people was saying Floyd was ducking Tszyu and Paul Williams. Floyd was undoubtedly p4p but people want more. they dont want to see you take out a killer and rest on your laurels. they want you to defend that p4p title against the best. hell, I remember when people were saying Floyd was ducking Vivian Harris.

a lot of us were critical of Floyd....but the point is...us the fans are the best promoters, not Top Rank or PBC. they work for us. they have to give us the fights we want to get us to pay them. remember that when you go around saying this guy aint this or that. by the criteria of James Toney or Diego Corrales, no one out there today is p4p really. but you cant ever expect Spence/Crawford to happen if you keep downplaying the fighters.

when Donald Curry was p4p, he didnt get to fight SRL or Hagler because those two got more by fighting each other. Spence and Crawford both are BIG names, bigger than Curry was at the time...so we need to be doing everything we can to push this fight...if not you just gonna be in here complaining about who somebody aint fought yet.