11/14 ESPN: Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook (WBO Welterweight Title)

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You do know P4P is speculative right? Everyone has a different one, there’s no official boxing ranking for that.

Who said he’s not top 5?

Spence’s best wins are Shawn Porter, Kell Brook (prime), Mikey Garcia, Lamont Peterson and potentially Danny Garcia.

Bud’s best wins are Postol, Gamboa and Brook.

Look at those names and what their resumes are as well before and after fighting them. Bud’s best win universally is Gamboa. How has these wins aged is the question.

Well reasoned , fair comment . :leon:
 

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Spence / Crawford needs to happen ASAP. But they’re more bags to get — and they will be gotten — before then . Neither of them better not slip up tho :ufdup:

And they better not wait too long :ufdup:

unfortunately, Spence might be the one more susceptible to an L before the fight happens . I hope he looks the same post crash :sadcam:
One month to go
 

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Why does Keith Thurmans and Shawn Porters names keep popping up ?:hhh:
Manny and Spence bring the money and the belts any of those other pbc fighters don’t matter .

Because we’re fight fans and we want to see the best fight the best. I’m not these fighters managers and promoters.

No other sport do you see fans saying shyt like “Tom Brady should sit this NFC championship game out just in case he get hurt, he in a contract year. Yea the Saints are good but they not as good as Mahomes’ Chiefs so he should bypass a good win bc it don’t mean as much as the SB”.

We want the best fighters to fight each other, I’m not trying to build fighters that’s not my business. And when the fans stop helping these fighters cruise in between the big fights we’ll have a better sport.
 

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Part of me wishes Pac to just retire, not only because he's 42 but also because the money he means these dudes are distracted with chasing him instead of wanting each other first and foremost. I mean c'mon Bud and Spence... I know the kind of recognition and money a Pac win would get yall but Pac vs either of you is not the defining fight of this 147 division, Bud vs Spence gonna be it.

And :mjlol: @ every fifth votes here thought Brook would win, what made yall think that? I guess some of you really ust holding a grudge against Crawford.
 

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I'm not too mad at the Moloney result personally. Legally it probably should have been a Moloney win... and I feel sorry for those who lost money on this.
On the other hand, it seemed like one of those rare cases when he hit him with his thumb which is still possible with the thumb attached to the rest of the gloves. So it would have been a pity to see Franco losing his title because of a swollen eye due to a thumb. Kind of a grey area.
They need to run it back though
 

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Part of me wishes Pac to just retire, not only because he's 42 but also because the money he means these dudes are distracted with chasing him instead of wanting each other first and foremost. I mean c'mon Bud and Spence... I know the kind of recognition and money a Pac win would get yall but Pac vs either of you is not the defining fight of this 147 division, Bud vs Spence gonna be it.

And :mjlol: @ every fifth votes here thought Brook would win, what made yall think that? I guess some of you really ust holding a grudge against Crawford.
That and also so people would stop whining about him potentially facing them while he holds a fukking world title....and in the next breath think he can take em on which is reasonable given how he beat keith. Then at the same time cheer pacman fighting mcgregor but shyt on floyd doing it. Aint no consistency
 

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That and also so people would stop whining about him potentially facing them while he holds a fukking world title....and in the next breath think he can take em on which is reasonable given how he beat keith. Then at the same time cheer pacman fighting mcgregor but shyt on floyd doing it. Aint no consistency
I guess Crawford gonna get his credit from them now since they though he'd lose. :mjlit:

Anyway... regardless of resume or anything, just off of my eye test the 3 best fighters in boxing today are Bud, Canelo and Inoue w/o order
 

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I guess Crawford gonna get his credit from them now since they though he'd lose. :mjlit:

Anyway... regardless of resume or anything, just off of my eye test the 3 best fighters in boxing today are Bud, Canelo and Inoue w/o order
Nelo with the strongest resume and keeps growing stronger.
 

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I guess Crawford gonna get his credit from them now since they though he'd lose. :mjlit:

Anyway... regardless of resume or anything, just off of my eye test the 3 best fighters in boxing today are Bud, Canelo and Inoue w/o order

You just answered why he still got questions bro. If we still basing off the eye test then Bud is top 5 that’s not a debate. But he hasn’t proven it at 147 yet bc he don’t have the best resume in the division. It is what it is bro.

I give him his credit for the win but even in this win there are still questions based on what I saw. For those who questioned his power at 147, that’s dead now. I was never one of them. The chin may still be a question mark bc Kell dumb ass tried to outbox him rather than turn it into a dog fight like Porter or Spence would.

Strategically he was dead after Bud made his adjustment to southpaw. He neutralized Brook’s right hand with keeping his left foot out and moving away from the right. At that point he just had to time him. Brook is a basic 1-2 fighter and can’t adjust. Bud outboxed him easily and dropped his ass.

I still have Spence beating Bud, but like I keep saying I only have Spence and Ennis giving him any trouble. Most the other fighters at 147 aren’t skilled enough and/or don’t make adjustments.

Good win for Bud and he just made the fights more interesting. Bud definitely has levels to him and he is a beast that can’t be questioned. He’s a game dog with a lot of skill.
 

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You just answered why he still got questions bro. If we still basing off the eye test then Bud is top 5 that’s not a debate. But he hasn’t proven it at 147 yet bc he don’t have the best resume in the division. It is what it is bro.

I give him his credit for the win but even in this win there are still questions based on what I saw. For those who questioned his power at 147, that’s dead now. I was never one of them. The chin may still be a question mark bc Kell dumb ass tried to outbox him rather than turn it into a dog fight like Porter or Spence would.

Strategically he was dead after Bud made his adjustment to southpaw. He neutralized Brook’s right hand with keeping his left foot out and moving away from the right. At that point he just had to time him. Brook is a basic 1-2 fighter and can’t adjust. Bud outboxed him easily and dropped his ass.

I still have Spence beating Bud, but like I keep saying I only have Spence and Ennis giving him any trouble. Most the other fighters at 147 aren’t skilled enough and/or don’t make adjustments.

Good win for Bud and he just made the fights more interesting. Bud definitely has levels to him and he is a beast that can’t be questioned. He’s a game dog with a lot of skill.
I have Bud over Spence. Spence is both industrious and technical, very comfortable slugging it out in the pocket but can box too, really a super fighter, I just think Bud is more versatile, has the better IQ. He doesn't necessarily hurt these dudes because he has bone-crushing power. No, he has sharp, solid power anyway, he can really turn on his punches but the main thing is he find the weak spots and strikes when the opponent doesn't see it coming.

Spence can box or fight too but I think he'd be a little bit thrown off his usual game if Bud would turn southpaw on him, Spence's no used to it, his only southpaw opponent I can recall was Van Herdeen, who he beat but he's levels below either Spence or Bud.
I just think Bud will adjust better to whatever Spence brings than Spence getting used to fighting someone so skilled who can do anything and can fight southpaw just as well or better than orthodox.
 

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I have Bud over Spence. Spence is both industrious and technical, very comfortable slugging it out in the pocket but can box too, really a super fighter, I just think Bud is more versatile, has the better IQ. He doesn't necessarily hurt these dudes because he has bone-crushing power. No, he has sharp, solid power anyway, he can really turn on his punches but the main thing is he find the weak spots and strikes when the opponent doesn't see it coming.

Spence can box or fight too but I think he'd be a little bit thrown off his usual game if Bud would turn southpaw on him, Spence's no used to it, his only southpaw opponent I can recall was Van Herdeen, who he beat but he's levels below either Spence or Bud.
I just think Bud will adjust better to whatever Spence brings than Spence getting used to fighting someone so skilled who can do anything and can fight southpaw just as well or better than orthodox.

A true 50/50 fight I ain’t mad at anybody picking Bud. We will see though, it will happen they already have an understanding between the two of them. At this point it’s just about who can get to Pacquiao first and it seems Bud will because they already had the fight lined up before the pandemic put a stop to it. Spence just has to handle business against Danny and that’s not a guarantee.
 
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