11/14 ESPN: Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook (WBO Welterweight Title)

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Dallas' 4 Eva

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I like your assessments, but the one thing everyone is underestimating is Crawford's ability to adapt. He is the best at this since Floyd. There were things Floyd didnt do against Zab because he know he would be in danger. Crawford aint fighting Spence the same way he fought Brook. Look for a more defensive Crawford if that fight comes off.

The thing is Spence adapts as well, he has in every fight, Spence also spends the first few rounds fighting you basic to judge your power and speed, he does a lot of the same shyt that Crawford do just he does it in a more technical sense. Seriously all 'stan' shyt aside Crawford definitely has a chance to win I'd say it should be a 60-40 fight in favor of Spence(depending on how he looks post accident), but if a refocused Errol fights Danny next month and looks like that old Spence who used to snatch nikkas souls and put the fear of god in them nikkas, I just find it hard to see Crawford beating that Spence. Crawford has slightly faster hands, but he loops a lot of his power shots. Their footspeed at 147 does not appear like either fighter has a significant advantage over the other.

The things I see about Crawford are that he likes to fight at a slow pace because he needs time to find his range and timing, Spence isn't going to just let Crawford sit in the pocket and time you like Brook, Mean Machine, or Benavidez; Spence is going to take the fight to Crawford he isn't going to allow him to just find his range and timing, Spence is actually not as easy to time as people think otherwise Mikey would have done it, that is what he was banking on Mikey has enough power to keep anyone honest below 154lbs, but Spence is not easy to time because of his activity levels and his constant pressure, Porter wasn't even really able to time Spence or find the proper range otherwise he wouldn't have missed so many punches that went high over Errol head, he makes you fight and Crawford has shown me he is prone to get into a firefight because that is who he is and what he likes to do, that's why I said Spence/Crawford would more resemble Hagler/Hearns than Leonard/Hearns both of them like to mix it up.

This isn't about the skills or talents of the fighters, this is about their styles and I don't know bro I just see Spence being all wrong for Crawford in a lot of ways people don't acknowledge.
 

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Pac beats bud, is he the goat? I’d much rather Pacquiao fight bud than Spence. Spence is a bully while I feel Pac Bud will be intriguing, and it could be a very close fight. Bud is the favourite but I’d like to hear how Pacquaio could beat bud, what you think he could do to beat him?
 

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here is my point...and we can start a side thread on this....no thang....yall must dont remember how people was saying Floyd was ducking Tszyu and Paul Williams. Floyd was undoubtedly p4p but people want more. they dont want to see you take out a killer and rest on your laurels. they want you to defend that p4p title against the best. hell, I remember when people were saying Floyd was ducking Vivian Harris.

a lot of us were critical of Floyd....but the point is...us the fans are the best promoters, not Top Rank or PBC. they work for us. they have to give us the fights we want to get us to pay them. remember that when you go around saying this guy aint this or that. by the criteria of James Toney or Diego Corrales, no one out there today is p4p really. but you cant ever expect Spence/Crawford to happen if you keep downplaying the fighters.

when Donald Curry was p4p, he didnt get to fight SRL or Hagler because those two got more by fighting each other. Spence and Crawford both are BIG names, bigger than Curry was at the time...so we need to be doing everything we can to push this fight...if not you just gonna be in here complaining about who somebody aint fought yet.

Curry even sued SRL for a million dollars
 

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Curry even sued SRL for a million dollars

exactly. it was some real fukk shyt going on. its not that type of shyt going on here with Bud and Spence...just promoter conflict...but they are the biggest fight for each other and if we dont demand, it wont happen! Canelo aint fighting neither one of them and he aint fighting no Charlo either. :mjlol:

not only is WW the best division but they have no reason to look north or south for fights. :stopitslime:
 

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The thing is Spence adapts as well, he has in every fight, Spence also spends the first few rounds fighting you basic to judge your power and speed, he does a lot of the same shyt that Crawford do just he does it in a more technical sense. Seriously all 'stan' shyt aside Crawford definitely has a chance to win I'd say it should be a 60-40 fight in favor of Spence(depending on how he looks post accident), but if a refocused Errol fights Danny next month and looks like that old Spence who used to snatch nikkas souls and put the fear of god in them nikkas, I just find it hard to see Crawford beating that Spence. Crawford has slightly faster hands, but he loops a lot of his power shots. Their footspeed at 147 does not appear like either fighter has a significant advantage over the other.

The things I see about Crawford are that he likes to fight at a slow pace because he needs time to find his range and timing, Spence isn't going to just let Crawford sit in the pocket and time you like Brook, Mean Machine, or Benavidez; Spence is going to take the fight to Crawford he isn't going to allow him to just find his range and timing, Spence is actually not as easy to time as people think otherwise Mikey would have done it, that is what he was banking on Mikey has enough power to keep anyone honest below 154lbs, but Spence is not easy to time because of his activity levels and his constant pressure, Porter wasn't even really able to time Spence or find the proper range otherwise he wouldn't have missed so many punches that went high over Errol head, he makes you fight and Crawford has shown me he is prone to get into a firefight because that is who he is and what he likes to do, that's why I said Spence/Crawford would more resemble Hagler/Hearns than Leonard/Hearns both of them like to mix it up.

This isn't about the skills or talents of the fighters, this is about their styles and I don't know bro I just see Spence being all wrong for Crawford in a lot of ways people don't acknowledge.

I know you are a Spence homer, despite that,I will not downplay Spence in any way. if you look back, I been saying for the past 3 years, the longer it takes for the fight to happen, the more disadvantage Bud is at. however, lets see what he looks like against Swift. Swift is a damn solid fighter...I expect Spence to win but not easy by any stretch. I even see Spence getting touched nicely in that fight. Thing about Swift is...after first few rounds his effectiveness drops...going to be hard for him to conserve energy with Spence on top of him. I expect it to be even first few rounds, possibly Swift winning then Spence pulling away a bit in the later rounds. 116-112 or somewhere around there.

been meaning to give you something too....


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I knew it would be competitive at first but Bud would get him. Kell did himself no favors by walking directly into that right hand

I have no doubt making 47 again took away some of his punch resistance

eh, maybe...but Kell wasnt a blown up mw. he pretty much has been that same size always. he is a big ww. i think its more the punch he didnt see. he is not a masterful defensive fighter and Bud can crack.
 

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Like I said if Crawford wins this fight I'd put respect on it and I am. He solidly the #2 WW, and he can have P4P #1... for now.
 

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Pac beats bud, is he the goat? I’d much rather Pacquiao fight bud than Spence. Spence is a bully while I feel Pac Bud will be intriguing, and it could be a very close fight. Bud is the favourite but I’d like to hear how Pacquaio could beat bud, what you think he could do to beat him?

Pac getting beat either way. hate to say it but he is too old. and when I say that, I dont mean he dont have the skills anymore or he is washed, absolutely not, but he is a frontrunner due to his stamina. he is not the energizer bunny he used to be. dont expect him to get near either of them when there are easier fights like McGregor out there and maybe Mikey even though that would be a tough fight for him too.
 

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Pac getting beat either way. hate to say it but he is too old. and when I say that, I dont mean he dont have the skills anymore or he is washed, absolutely not, but he is a frontrunner due to his stamina. he is not the energizer bunny he used to be. dont expect him to get near either of them when there are easier fights like McGregor out there and maybe Mikey even though that would be a tough fight for him too.

Mikey very well may retire Pacquiao if they fight. Mikey fights a lot like Marquez only he punches a lot harder.
 

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terence crawford has a ko percentage of 68% at lightweight, 86% at junior welterweight, and 100% at welterweight. as he has moved up he is hitting harder. one of the rarest kinds of boxers: a hard hitting pure boxer.

this is a very key post. he has gotten stronger THE RIGHT WAY. he settled in and saturated and maintained his speed from lower weights. Crawford is made for WW. its why I was :scust: at nikkas that kept trashing him for getting touched by Gamboa. at lower weights....fighters are just as fast as you are and Gamboa had elite speed and boxing pedigree. as Bud moves up....he keeps most of his speed and gains power. couple of references...remember how Jermain Taylor couldnt do shyt with Cory Spinks? yet Zab destroyed Cory? remember when Chris Byrd came back down to 175 thinking he had an advantage due to him fighting hw all those years? didnt count on that speed obliterating his ass. As elusive as he was at hw, he couldnt get away from shyt at 175 the 2nd go round.
 

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Crawford Spence is going to be a battle of foot placement. It's going to be an absolute treat to watch, because neither fighter likes to make concessions in the ring.

Spence's fight is going to live and die with his bodywork.

I am really expecting Bud to stand in the pocket and slip. I dont think he will be the aggressor as much as he is going to look to lead and get out of the way and do a lot of countering. Its intriguing indeed.
 

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I knew it would be competitive at first but Bud would get him. Kell did himself no favors by walking directly into that right hand

I have no doubt making 47 again took away some of his punch resistance

I'd like to see Kell retire. He should be rich and has nothing to prove. However if he sticks around...I definitely think he is still a viable opp for anyone. I dont see where he is washed and he didnt take any real punishment this fight.
 

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eh, maybe...but Kell wasnt a blown up mw. he pretty much has been that same size always. he is a big ww. i think its more the punch he didnt see. he is not a masterful defensive fighter and Bud can crack.

Ain't no maybe bro. The GGG fight took his prime & Spence took whatever was left of him. Factor in he hadn't made the 47 limit in 3 years & you get the Bud KO. As far as I'm concerned, Brook didn't look good in any of those comeback fights.

***And you have a point about Brook not seeing the punch but it got maximized by Kell walking into like Norris did against Simon Brown***
 
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