11/14 ESPN: Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook (WBO Welterweight Title)

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A true 50/50 fight I ain’t mad at anybody picking Bud. We will see though, it will happen they already have an understanding between the two of them. At this point it’s just about who can get to Pacquiao first and it seems Bud will because they already had the fight lined up before the pandemic put a stop to it. Spence just has to handle business against Danny and that’s not a guarantee.
I think Pac gonna fight Mikey or McGregor :pachaha:
 

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You do know P4P is speculative right? Everyone has a different one, there’s no official boxing ranking for that.

Who said he’s not top 5?

Spence’s best wins are Shawn Porter, Kell Brook (prime), Mikey Garcia, Lamont Peterson and potentially Danny Garcia.

Bud’s best wins are Postol, Gamboa and Brook.

Look at those names and what their resumes are as well before and after fighting them. Bud’s best win universally is Gamboa. How has these wins aged is the question.

respectfully, yall need to eat a dikk with this Kell Brook prime b.s. you wasnt talkin that before that fight, dont switch up now. you nikkas was really in here saying Brook was gonna beat Bud and I straight up asked YOU what made you apply all that stuff to Brook and in the same breath say Bud hasnt fought anybody, basically. nah, stick to them gunz champ.

There was no evidence at all that Brook was washed. He was in great shape as always. He was fast, alert, and strong. The boxing style just gave him problems. He is one year older than Bud and has had two more fights. He only been in two really tough fights. Not to say he didnt get damaged against GGG but he has never been a fighter on Bud's level and now since he got popped you want to say he is washed or past his prime.

Funny you bring up Gamboa which no one wanted to give Bud credit for stopping him when he was 32, yet Haney just went distance with the 38 year old version. Lemme guess...he was just moving up when he fought Bud so his body wasnt acclimated....but at 38 he finally settled in to the weight so thats why Haney couldnt get him out of there. :dead: this is the type of spinning you dudes be doing.

Truth be told, Bud was going to beat him from ortho stance, did you see the way he was countering? His reflexes are cat-quick. No, what Bud wanted to do was make a statement since this was a common opponent and as soon as he saw what Kell was trying to do he went southpaw and it was curtains almost immediately.

Lets not act like Spence's two best wins werent tough fights for him. Peterson win not that great...I mean did we forget what Matthysse did to him years prior? If you think Garcia stands a chance against Bud at 140 or 147 then
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Lastly, P4P is speculative, but when I was growing up, it wasnt really used to measure who someone was fighting competition wise, although that played a part obviously....its main application was to the most dominant fighters. How much trouble a fighter has with other fighters. Which is why Roy was considered P4P for all those years because he rarely lost rounds, likewise with Floyd after. Up to present day to where Loma definetely established his dominance in a great run with the apex being that Rigo shutout which NO ONE saw coming.
 
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Nice to see Crawford getting more KOs at WW, that's what's most impressive about him to me.

But lets be real, Brook hasn't been a thing since Spence beat him up 3.5 years ago.

Regardless of how Crawford has looked over his last 10 fights, the only name that comes up as decent are very washed Brook, and Postol who was 4.5 years ago. Dude needs to fight, he only gets so much credit beating washed names or no hopers. Yea its impressive he's KOing them, but that's where it stops.
 

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respectfully, yall need to eat a dikk with this Kell Brook prime b.s. you wasnt talkin that before that fight, dont switch up now. you nikkas was really in here saying Brook was gonna beat Bud and I straight up asked YOU what made you apply all that stuff to Brook and in the same breath say Bud hasnt fought anybody, basically. nah, stick to them gunz champ.

There was no evidence at all that Brook was washed. He was in great shape as always. He was fast, alert, and strong. The boxing style just gave him problems. He is one year older than Bud and has had two more fights. He only been in two really tough fights. Not to say he didnt get damaged against GGG but he has never been a fighter on Bud's level and now since he got popped you want to say he is washed or past his prime.

Funny you bring up Gamboa which no one wanted to give Bud credit for stopping him when he was 32, yet Haney just went distance with the 38 year old version.

Truth be told, Bud was going to beat him from ortho stance, did you see the way he was countering? His reflexes are cat-quick. No, what Bud wanted to do was make a statement since this was a common opponent and as soon as he saw what Kell was trying to do he went southpaw and it was curtains almost immediately.

Lets not act like Spence's two best wins werent tough fights for him. Peterson win not that great...I mean did we forget what Matthysse did to him years prior? If you think Garcia stands a chance against Bud at 140 or 147 then
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Lastly, P4P is speculative, but when I was growing up, it wasnt really used to measure who someone was fighting competition wise, although that played a part obviously....its main application was to the most dominant fighters. How much trouble a fighter has with other fighters. Which is why Roy was considered P4P for all those years because he rarely lost rounds, likewise with Floyd after. Up to present day to where Loma definetely established his dominance in a great run with the apex being that Rigo shutout which NO ONE saw coming.
Brook was and is washed. Not acknowledging that renders all the words typed after useless.
 

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Brook was and is washed. Not acknowledging that renders all the words typed after useless.

:camby: what evidence did you see to suggest he is washed? cuz he got smashed and yall didnt think he would? foh. you nikkas always after the fact with shyt when I been tellin YOU specifically for years the boy was gonna be on top and you never wanted to acknowledge that, even now. you never liked dude from gate and you have proven that over and over despite him straight clippin mf's. it will never be good enough for you. you one of them who be waiting on somebody to lose to say I told you so. aint NOBODY beating this dude except the VERY BEST. if thats Spence, so be it, but it wont be anyone else.
 

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Nice to see Crawford getting more KOs at WW, that's what's most impressive about him to me.

But lets be real, Brook hasn't been a thing since Spence beat him up 3.5 years ago.

Regardless of how Crawford has looked over his last 10 fights, the only name that comes up as decent are very washed Brook, and Postol who was 4.5 years ago. Dude needs to fight, he only gets so much credit beating washed names or no hopers. Yea its impressive he's KOing them, but that's where it stops.

washed names and no hopers over 3 divisions. yeah ok. charge it to the game then.
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he getting millions for beating up on bums. let yall tell it. :snoop: if you dont want to give credit, fine, but you are not doing the sport any justice. I remember when people were clowning me in a newsgroup after I said Pac was gonna dominate after he beat Ledwaba. same thing I said after Crawford beat Prescott. they were like...Ledwaba??? if you know you know.
 

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respectfully, yall need to eat a dikk with this Kell Brook prime b.s. you wasnt talkin that before that fight, dont switch up now. you nikkas was really in here saying Brook was gonna beat Bud and I straight up asked YOU what made you apply all that stuff to Brook and in the same breath say Bud hasnt fought anybody, basically. nah, stick to them gunz champ.

There was no evidence at all that Brook was washed. He was in great shape as always. He was fast, alert, and strong. The boxing style just gave him problems. He is one year older than Bud and has had two more fights. He only been in two really tough fights. Not to say he didnt get damaged against GGG but he has never been a fighter on Bud's level and now since he got popped you want to say he is washed or past his prime.

Funny you bring up Gamboa which no one wanted to give Bud credit for stopping him when he was 32, yet Haney just went distance with the 38 year old version. Lemme guess...he was just moving up when he fought Bud so his body wasnt acclimated....but at 38 he finally settled in to the weight so thats why Haney couldnt get him out of there. :dead: this is the type of spinning you dudes be doing.

Truth be told, Bud was going to beat him from ortho stance, did you see the way he was countering? His reflexes are cat-quick. No, what Bud wanted to do was make a statement since this was a common opponent and as soon as he saw what Kell was trying to do he went southpaw and it was curtains almost immediately.

Lets not act like Spence's two best wins werent tough fights for him. Peterson win not that great...I mean did we forget what Matthysse did to him years prior? If you think Garcia stands a chance against Bud at 140 or 147 then
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Lastly, P4P is speculative, but when I was growing up, it wasnt really used to measure who someone was fighting competition wise, although that played a part obviously....its main application was to the most dominant fighters. How much trouble a fighter has with other fighters. Which is why Roy was considered P4P for all those years because he rarely lost rounds, likewise with Floyd after. Up to present day to where Loma definetely established his dominance in a great run with the apex being that Rigo shutout which NO ONE saw coming.

I can tell you don’t read my nikka. Point out where I made an excuse about Kell being washed. Show me where I once said Kell was washed in this thread.

I picked Kell to win . The fukk are talking about?

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You having made up debates in your head. Go back and read my posts I’ve been consistent. I gave him his credit for this win and said so in here.

And that last shyt you said about Roy prove you don’t know shyt about boxing. That is not why Roy was P4P. He was considered that bc he beat top tier fighters from 160 up to 175. Tf are you talking about bruh? Stop coming in here talking boxing.
 

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This fight answered my question if Crawford could handle a big opponent and he did, but he also answered a few more questions which is why I'm doubling down on my Spence pick over Crawford.

Brook was hitting Crawford clean more than he was hitting Spence clean, Spence didn't have his eyes swole up by the end of round 2 against Brook. Also another thing that I have noticed is that this fight was once again at a slow pace, Spence fights at a much faster pace than either of these fighters, far more active, far more physicality to his style.

There are a lot of things about Spence's style that are subtle and built in to it you just can't adjust to all of it, no matter how good of a boxer you are, and Spence makes adjustments just as fast as Crawford does. Spence shoots his jab high and pushes it slightly to control your head position and keep your lead hand out of position to keep you from establishing range, he also does it to make it hard for you to come over the top and counter him Crawford could adjust to that with lateral movement, but then Crawford would have to play into Spence's style of cutting off the ring coming forward and keeping you on the defensive and since Crawford is the longer fighter and going side to sideor backwards takes more energy and you move slower eventually Spence would cut him off and find a way inside. Spence has busy hands, he can be caught coming out of exchanges, but he blocks and parries most punches when he is coming in your best shot is to catch Spence between punches. Also you can't adjust to a constant body attack either. Y'all be thinking I'm crazy but the more I watch them fight the more I think Spence is just all wrong for this dude bro.
 

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I guess Crawford gonna get his credit from them now since they though he'd lose. :mjlit:

Anyway... regardless of resume or anything, just off of my eye test the 3 best fighters in boxing today are Bud, Canelo and Inoue w/o order

Personally I was high on Crawford before the move up in weight/auto designation to #1 lb 4 lb, without lb 4 lb comp. All I ask is for fights to be made against the top guys. Brook isnt a top guy but I thought he would have more in the tank at 47 and was wrong:manny:


It was really only one dude on here that was on Crawford from the beginning/called most of his future sucess. I forgot brehs name, it was something like synstar or something similar
 

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It was really only one dude on here that was on Crawford from the beginning/called most of his future sucess. I forgot brehs name, it was something like synstar or something similar

thats @surv2syn ..he was the only one that called what crawford was going to be from jump
 

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I can tell you don’t read my nikka. Point out where I made an excuse about Kell being washed. Show me where I once said Kell was washed in this thread.

I picked Kell to win . The fukk are talking about?

:russ:

You having made up debates in your head. Go back and read my posts I’ve been consistent. I gave him his credit for this win and said so in here.

And that last shyt you said about Roy prove you don’t know shyt about boxing. That is not why Roy was P4P. He was considered that bc he beat top tier fighters from 160 up to 175. Tf are you talking about bruh? Stop coming in here talking boxing.

nikka you just said it when I quoted you, you said Spence beat PRIME Brook implying that Crawford beat a washed version. fukk outta here with the Roy shyt. you must be a youngin. in real time everyone always complained about Roys opp post Toney. why was he fighting an old McCallum, why was he ducking Dariusz. blah blah. so yeah, you dont know what tf you talmbout. I remember nikkas clowning Roy for beating up on the Telesco's and the Del Valle's. what fighters were top tier??? I will wait. the best fighters he fought for years after fighting Toney were Hill, Reggie Johnson, and McCallum who people said was old. They said Hill was washed too and his biggest name opponent was Hearns, 7 years prior and he lost that! making up debates when you just picked Brook to beat Crawford. :francis:@patscorpio tell these dudes to check my resume.
 

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Personally I was high on Crawford before the move up in weight/auto designation to #1 lb 4 lb, without lb 4 lb comp. All I ask is for fights to be made against the top guys. Brook isnt a top guy but I thought he would have more in the tank at 47 and was wrong:manny:


It was really only one dude on here that was on Crawford from the beginning/called most of his future sucess. I forgot brehs name, it was something like synstar or something similar

Im with you breh...but making the fights aint as easy as we think. for you to see him in the mix, he would need to go over to PBC when his contract is up. this is the major problem with boxing is the way the game is set up.
 

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Brook was looking stiff on his feet. Damn near nothing but a straight line and that's always a recipe for disaster against someone with power and timing.

Brook should have never fought GGG man that's always going to be one of the worst moves in boxing to me

Easy to say, but that was his biggest purse and chance to secure financial security and a legacy
 

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Easy to say, but that was his biggest purse and chance to secure financial security and a legacy

I'd like to know when Brook didnt look like this? he has always been a stiff straight line fighter. he isnt as fluid as Crawford or Loma and guys like that and he is not as athletic as Spence. he has always been hittable. his strengths are his physical strength, punching power, and jab/boxing. I always felt when they were young that would be a great fight between him and Khan. I favored Brook but wouldve been great regardless. shame.
 
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