10 Nations in East Africa have united to form a regional military force.

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Sounds good in theory but with anything Africa, it always sounds good on paper. Now it's on all 10 countries to cooperate and not c00n operate.

You know ECOWAS in West Africa already has a regional military force right? They enforced the elections in Gambia.

its like c00n base level negros infest the coli

*Edit* I might as well had addressed half the thread :snoop:
 

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No like what would like to see happen instead of this?
lets try stable nations that don't have crushing poverty and illiteracy rates :heh:
i'd much rather see these nations be each other's biggest trading partners. this EASF is going to be doing what exactly?:heh:
 

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It looks like this is a bit like the ECOWAS forces that intervened in Sierra Leone and I think Liberia too. There are a few issues that I am curious about:

1) like @FaTaL we really need to know who is leading this. In ECOWAS, Nigeria is by and large the big power and Ghana has strong Pan-Africanist credentials. SADC is led by far by SA. EAC has no clear leader. Between Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, and Rwanda we have some strong personalities in leaders and relatively strong countries that I am not sure will always play well together. I hope otherwise but we shall see.

2) Given the track record of the EAC in trade and economy harmonization (spotty at best) I'm hoping someone better is managing this. There should have been a robust trade bloc and connecting infrastructure in East Africa decades ago. I would put the EAC in 3rd place at best as far as strong regional organizations behind SADC and ECOWAS.

3) The only places I can see them going into is Somalia which would be good once the AU mandate ends and their forces leave. The big question is will they all agree how to intervene in other places like Burundi or a crisis in Ethiopia.

4) If they conduct regional training exercises, standardize and jointly buy weapons and ammo (hopefully domestically sourced when possible), and generally increase security in the region, this is a win as far as I am concerned.

5) Down the road if the Gulf Arabs or China get greedy, hopefully this force will make them think twice. At least the Arabs. I doubt China is scared of anybody but the US.
 

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It looks like this is a bit like the ECOWAS forces that intervened in Sierra Leone and I think Liberia too. There are a few issues that I am curious about:

1) like @FaTaL we really need to know who is leading this. In ECOWAS, Nigeria is by and large the big power and Ghana has strong Pan-Africanist credentials. SADC is led by far by SA. EAC has no clear leader. Between Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, and Rwanda we have some strong personalities in leaders and relatively strong countries that I am not sure will always play well together. I hope otherwise but we shall see.

2) Given the track record of the EAC in trade and economy harmonization (spotty at best) I'm hoping someone better is managing this. There should have been a robust trade bloc and connecting infrastructure in East Africa decades ago. I would put the EAC in 3rd place at best as far as strong regional organizations behind SADC and ECOWAS.

3) The only places I can see them going into is Somalia which would be good once the AU mandate ends and their forces leave. The big question is will they all agree how to intervene in other places like Burundi or a crisis in Ethiopia.

4) If they conduct regional training exercises, standardize and jointly buy weapons and ammo (hopefully domestically sourced when possible), and generally increase security in the region, this is a win as far as I am concerned.

5) Down the road if the Gulf Arabs or China get greedy, hopefully this force will make them think twice. At least the Arabs. I doubt China is scared of anybody but the US.

ECOWAS leadership changes like president. I'm assuming this group will also.They are also voted on. The last chair person of ECOWAS was President Sirleaf of Liberia. She has stepped down from leadership in Liberia so I think ECOWAS will also get a new chairperson
 

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lets try stable nations that don't have crushing poverty and illiteracy rates :heh:
i'd much rather see these nations be each other's biggest trading partners. this EASF is going to be doing what exactly?:heh:
Most of the nations ARE stable(outside of South Sudan and Somalia) and with GOOD militaries. What are you talking about? And what does poverty and illiteracy rates have to do with a military union? Either way Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda are strong East African nations.
 

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Don't think this has much material benefit tbh. :patrice:

Anyway, economic cooperation among East African countries has been positive. It's the region with the most potential in the whole of Africa and that is in part due to relatively stable democracies and a common language.
 

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It's a slow process of making Africa one big loose federation with same currency. I know people who go to these meetings that discuss protocol and charters. It's happening and going to happen.

I used to be so pissed pan-Africanism failed in the 60s and 70s but after seeing the shyt show the EU is degenerating into, maybe it is good Africa had to wait and can learn from that project as it teeters.

Think about having a unified currency is you need some sort of fiscal harmonization and no trade barriers (and likely no migration barriers). Africa's borders are pretty porous already but it would be a huge challenge given.
 

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It looks like this is a bit like the ECOWAS forces that intervened in Sierra Leone and I think Liberia too. There are a few issues that I am curious about:

1) like @FaTaL we really need to know who is leading this. In ECOWAS, Nigeria is by and large the big power and Ghana has strong Pan-Africanist credentials. SADC is led by far by SA. EAC has no clear leader. Between Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, and Rwanda we have some strong personalities in leaders and relatively strong countries that I am not sure will always play well together. I hope otherwise but we shall see.

2) Given the track record of the EAC in trade and economy harmonization (spotty at best) I'm hoping someone better is managing this. There should have been a robust trade bloc and connecting infrastructure in East Africa decades ago. I would put the EAC in 3rd place at best as far as strong regional organizations behind SADC and ECOWAS.

3) The only places I can see them going into is Somalia which would be good once the AU mandate ends and their forces leave. The big question is will they all agree how to intervene in other places like Burundi or a crisis in Ethiopia.

4) If they conduct regional training exercises, standardize and jointly buy weapons and ammo (hopefully domestically sourced when possible), and generally increase security in the region, this is a win as far as I am concerned.

5) Down the road if the Gulf Arabs or China get greedy, hopefully this force will make them think twice. At least the Arabs. I doubt China is scared of anybody but the US.

Thinking of #5 yeah... This is definitely Ethiopia centric just in case Egypt tries something...
 

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It's already happened in Gambia, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, and Cote D'Ivoire.

True, I am hoping the British intervention in Sierra Leone before ECOWAS arrived is the last time that happens. And the Sierra Leonan government hired those SA mercenaries in Executive Outcomes. If we could get the Great Powers and mercs out of Africa I will be doing backflips.

The one thing ECOWAS pissed me off a bit on though was when the jihadists took Timbuktu and they were waiting around for the dry season to do anything. Then those nuts started moving south in Mali and the French ended up coming in.
 
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