10 Facts That Clear Up Confusion Around What Exactly Is an Arab

[Samori Toure]

These and other posts really prove OP's point of how the term "arab" is/was misused. "Arab" used to designate Muslims, which is indeed a common error. Some Blacks being Muslim, and most Arabs being Muslim, it was/is an easy error to make. And anyone who has any passive or distant knowledge of Northern Africa knows that there are Black Moroccans, just as there are Black Egyptians, Black Lybians, Black Algerians, etc. Doesn't change the fact that MOST Moroccans, Egyptians and Algerians are not Black.

It's also funny how most on this site are quick to dismiss Euro sources but then use century-old Euro paintings as "proof".

I don't know about your conclusion that MOST Morocccans, Egyptians and Algerians not being Black.

"The origin of the English term, "Moor," is the Greek word, "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" which refers to the Black Sea or "mavri spilia" which means "black cave." Ancient Greeks used the term to describe the complexion of Africans and (even today, some Greeks use "mavro" to refer to Africans, although in a pejorative manner). One need not be a linguist to see the word's evolution from the Greek "mavro" to the Latin word, "mavrvs" (actually, "mavro" in the ablative, singular, masculine Latin form). The English transliteration is "Maurus" and the plural form is "Mauri," specifically used by ancient Romans in reference to Black Africans. Writers in both Greek and Latin specifically used the term as a racial identity. In the Epitome de Caesaribus (390s AD), we learn that Aemilianus was "a Moor by race." Procopius of Caesarea (500-565 AD), a Byzantine scholar who wrote in Greek, said in his History of the Wars, "beyond that there are men not black-skinned like the Moors..." Even through the middle ages, the term (as well as the Spanish, "moro," the German "mohr," the Dutch "moor" etc.) continued to be used in reference to Black Africans. In one of the oldest Dutch texts (1300s AD), a Moor was described specifically as "black."

http://taneter.org/moors.html


Morocco and Mauritania is derived from the word Moor.

So the Moors are obviously a mixed people now due to all of those large harems that they had that were full of White women from France, Spain, England and the rest of Europe. However, the Moors live in Morocco and Mauritania are derived from Black people.

There are a bunch of names that in English and German that details the Moors. Maurice, Moore, Morris, Morrison, Morse, Black, Schwarz (the German word for "black"), Morandi, Morese, Negri, etc. all bear linguistic reference to their African ancestry. So the Moors are clearly derived from Black people just like the Egyptians.

Btw, what the people of Libya, Mauritania and Morocco really are is a bunch of light skinned Black people with an attitude problem. We see it all the time in America. The difference seems to come back to what color their mothers were. If their mothers were black and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be Black. If their mothers were white and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be crazy; I mean taught to think that they are mixed, meaning that they don't think that they are black. Yes that is a generalization, but that is where that mixed crap is coming from.

 

[GPBear]

thanks for clearing that up, OP

 

[Samori Toure]

As history goes oN more and more people would call them black.

100% of them back then look more african than me.

That is not true. As history goes on the White man is calling them sand ******s.

 

[Swagnificent]

Because they were Africans. When Islam expanded into Africa many Africans converted to Islam and reaped the benefits of being vassals for Arabs. But you see a turban and get excited. Do you breh.

now explain why the europeans potrayed saladin (a kurd) as being black?

 

[mbewane]

I should have been more specific. the racial whitewashing of history by europeans stained with the racism of the trans-atlantic slave trade started in the early 20th century with anthropolgists like Carleton c00n. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._c00n#Racial_theories

It was this man and his ilk that began propogating the hamitic hypothesis and the idea of the true negro. its how groups thaat were historically considered black in europe such as the Ancient Egyptians, Moors, and Arabs all of a sudden became "Caucasians." The race theories created by these racists still propogate to this day.

Uh, racism was well present in Europe before that dude made up his theories. We didn't wait for some US anthropologist to be racist breh. How do you think slavery was justified?

I think you have a US-centric vision. Arabs were never considered "Caucasians" in Europe, as that term is hardly even used here.

I don't know about your conclusion that MOST Morocccans, Egyptians and Algerians not being Black.

"The origin of the English term, "Moor," is the Greek word, "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" which refers to the Black Sea or "mavri spilia" which means "black cave." Ancient Greeks used the term to describe the complexion of Africans and (even today, some Greeks use "mavro" to refer to Africans, although in a pejorative manner). One need not be a linguist to see the word's evolution from the Greek "mavro" to the Latin word, "mavrvs" (actually, "mavro" in the ablative, singular, masculine Latin form). The English transliteration is "Maurus" and the plural form is "Mauri," specifically used by ancient Romans in reference to Black Africans. Writers in both Greek and Latin specifically used the term as a racial identity. In the Epitome de Caesaribus (390s AD), we learn that Aemilianus was "a Moor by race." Procopius of Caesarea (500-565 AD), a Byzantine scholar who wrote in Greek, said in his History of the Wars, "beyond that there are men not black-skinned like the Moors..." Even through the middle ages, the term (as well as the Spanish, "moro," the German "mohr," the Dutch "moor" etc.) continued to be used in reference to Black Africans. In one of the oldest Dutch texts (1300s AD), a Moor was described specifically as "black."

http://taneter.org/moors.html


Morocco and Mauritania is derived from the word Moor.

So the Moors are obviously a mixed people now due to all of those large harems that they had that were full of White women from France, Spain, England and the rest of Europe. However, the Moors live in Morocco and Mauritania are derived from Black people.

There are a bunch of names that in English and German that details the Moors. Maurice, Moore, Morris, Morrison, Morse, Black, Schwarz (the German word for "black"), Morandi, Morese, Negri, etc. all bear linguistic reference to their African ancestry. So the Moors are clearly derived from Black people just like the Egyptians.

Btw, what the people of Libya, Mauritania and Morocco really are is a bunch of light skinned Black people with an attitude problem. We see it all the time in America. The difference seems to come back to what color their mothers were. If their mothers were black and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be Black. If their mothers were white and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be crazy; I mean taught to think that they are mixed, meaning that they don't think that they are black. Yes that is a generalization, but that is where that mixed crap is coming from.

Breh, how many moroccans, egyptians, algerians do you know? I've been around tons of them, and the vast majority is not-Black. Now obviously we can play around and say that "Well, they're not BLACK, but they're ligh-skinned Black" but at that point we might as well say Southern Italians and Spaniards are "Black" too. Tons of Sicilians look just like Tunisians, are they "light-skinned Blacks" too?

To add to what you're saying, "Maures" in French basically indicated Berber populations in Northern Africa. Meaning, non-Arabs, and non-Blacks. Later, it came to mean Muslims, whatever ethnic background they may have. Later again, it became to mean Black Muslims from the Sahara area. Even later, it came to indicate the populations of present-day Mauritania. So as you can see, the word itself has changed meanings quite a bit, going from one generalization to another.

Don't know why you bring up the mixed argument into it though.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

now explain why the europeans potrayed saladin (a kurd) as being black?

I don't know, but that's irrelevant. Europeans portray Jesus as white, but was that the case? No. Do you think Kurds are black?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I don't know about your conclusion that MOST Morocccans, Egyptians and Algerians not being Black.

"The origin of the English term, "Moor," is the Greek word, "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" which refers to the Black Sea or "mavri spilia" which means "black cave." Ancient Greeks used the term to describe the complexion of Africans and (even today, some Greeks use "mavro" to refer to Africans, although in a pejorative manner). One need not be a linguist to see the word's evolution from the Greek "mavro" to the Latin word, "mavrvs" (actually, "mavro" in the ablative, singular, masculine Latin form). The English transliteration is "Maurus" and the plural form is "Mauri," specifically used by ancient Romans in reference to Black Africans. Writers in both Greek and Latin specifically used the term as a racial identity. In the Epitome de Caesaribus (390s AD), we learn that Aemilianus was "a Moor by race." Procopius of Caesarea (500-565 AD), a Byzantine scholar who wrote in Greek, said in his History of the Wars, "beyond that there are men not black-skinned like the Moors..." Even through the middle ages, the term (as well as the Spanish, "moro," the German "mohr," the Dutch "moor" etc.) continued to be used in reference to Black Africans. In one of the oldest Dutch texts (1300s AD), a Moor was described specifically as "black."

http://taneter.org/moors.html


Morocco and Mauritania is derived from the word Moor.

So the Moors are obviously a mixed people now due to all of those large harems that they had that were full of White women from France, Spain, England and the rest of Europe. However, the Moors live in Morocco and Mauritania are derived from Black people.

There are a bunch of names that in English and German that details the Moors. Maurice, Moore, Morris, Morrison, Morse, Black, Schwarz (the German word for "black"), Morandi, Morese, Negri, etc. all bear linguistic reference to their African ancestry. So the Moors are clearly derived from Black people just like the Egyptians.

Btw, what the people of Libya, Mauritania and Morocco really are is a bunch of light skinned Black people with an attitude problem. We see it all the time in America. The difference seems to come back to what color their mothers were. If their mothers were black and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be Black. If their mothers were white and the child is light skinned then the child is taught to be crazy; I mean taught to think that they are mixed, meaning that they don't think that they are black. Yes that is a generalization, but that is where that mixed crap is coming from.

The word "black" means very little. This is an Arab description of Indians from the 11th century, from the "Categories Of Nations" by Said Al-Andalusi:

"India is the first nation to have cultivated the sciences, and
although black, Allah ranked them above many white and brown people. It is a powerful, wealthy and
populous nation known for the wisdom of its people and their abilities in all branches of knowledge"

"The Indians, as known to all nations for many centuries, are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are peoples of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. In spite of the fact that their color is in the first stage of blackness, which puts them in the same category as the blacks, Allah, in His glory, did not give them the low characters, the poor manners, nor the inferior principles associated with this group and ranked them above a large number of white and brown peoples."

"Some astrologers came up with an explanation for this condition; they said that both Saturn and Mercury control the destiny of the Indian people. Because of the influence of Saturn, their color turned black, while the influence of Mercury provided them with intellectual power and fine spirit. Saturn in partnership with Mercury gave them correctness of reasoning and depth of perception. This is why they enjoy the purity of talent and the power of distinction, making them totally different from the people of Sudan (Blacks) (2) such as the Zinj, the Abyssinians, the Ethiopians and others. To their credit, the Indians have made great strides in the study of numbers (3) and of geometry. They have acquired immense information and reached the zenith in their knowledge of the movements of the stars (astronomy) and the secrets of the skies (astrology) as well as other mathematical studies. After all that, they have surpassed all the other peoples in their knowledge of medical science and the strengths of various drugs, the characteristics of compounds and the peculiarities of substances."

So we can see here what the Arab perception of Black Africans was as far back as the 11th century....it wasn't good, and they clearly saw them as inferior to other "darker" people. Sure, they might have treated African muslims a little better, but that's not saying much.

"Black" doesn't really mean shyt.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The word "black" means very little. This is an Arab description of Indians from the 11th century, from the "Categories Of Nations" by Said Al-Andalusi:

"India is the first nation to have cultivated the sciences, and
although black, Allah ranked them above many white and brown people. It is a powerful, wealthy and
populous nation known for the wisdom of its people and their abilities in all branches of knowledge"

"The Indians, as known to all nations for many centuries, are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are peoples of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. In spite of the fact that their color is in the first stage of blackness, which puts them in the same category as the blacks, Allah, in His glory, did not give them the low characters, the poor manners, nor the inferior principles associated with this group and ranked them above a large number of white and brown peoples."

"Some astrologers came up with an explanation for this condition; they said that both Saturn and Mercury control the destiny of the Indian people. Because of the influence of Saturn, their color turned black, while the influence of Mercury provided them with intellectual power and fine spirit. Saturn in partnership with Mercury gave them correctness of reasoning and depth of perception. This is why they enjoy the purity of talent and the power of distinction, making them totally different from the people of Sudan (Blacks) (2) such as the Zinj, the Abyssinians, the Ethiopians and others. To their credit, the Indians have made great strides in the study of numbers (3) and of geometry. They have acquired immense information and reached the zenith in their knowledge of the movements of the stars (astronomy) and the secrets of the skies (astrology) as well as other mathematical studies. After all that, they have surpassed all the other peoples in their knowledge of medical science and the strengths of various drugs, the characteristics of compounds and the peculiarities of substances."

So we can see here what the Arab perception of Black Africans was as far back as the 11th century....it wasn't good, and they clearly saw them as inferior to other "darker" people. Sure, they might have treated African muslims a little better, but that's not saying much.

"Black" doesn't really mean shyt.

these arabs are some disgusting peoples man.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

these arabs are some disgusting peoples man.

There was a time when I'd try to defend these guys and rationalize their actions but not anymore. Arabs and Europeans are the biggest slave drivers the planet has ever seen.

If a black person believes in Islam, cool, but I see no reason why anybody should want to identify with these people to the point where they would actually try to claim their history as their own. Countries that accepted Islam as a religion but retained their own native cultures are in an infinitely better state than Arab Muslim countries, or those non-Arab countries doing their best Arab impression. Look at Pakistan, they have fought their South Asian identity for generations in an attempt to identify with Arabs and that place is a de-stabalized shythole.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

There was a time when I'd try to defend these guys and rationalize their actions but not anymore. Arabs and Europeans are the biggest slave drivers the planet has ever seen.

If a black person believes in Islam, cool, but I see no reason why anybody should want to identify with these people to the point where they would actually try to claim their history as their own. Countries that accepted Islam as a religion but retained their own native cultures are in an infinitely better state than Arab Muslim countries, or those non-Arab countries doing their best Arab impression. Look at Pakistan, they have fought their South Asian identity for generations in an attempt to identify with Arabs and that place is a de-stabalized shythole.

amen to that man..

 

[Samori Toure]

Uh, racism was well present in Europe before that dude made up his theories. We didn't wait for some US anthropologist to be racist breh. How do you think slavery was justified?

I think you have a US-centric vision. Arabs were never considered "Caucasians" in Europe, as that term is hardly even used here.



Breh, how many moroccans, egyptians, algerians do you know? I've been around tons of them, and the vast majority is not-Black. Now obviously we can play around and say that "Well, they're not BLACK, but they're ligh-skinned Black" but at that point we might as well say Southern Italians and Spaniards are "Black" too. Tons of Sicilians look just like Tunisians, are they "light-skinned Blacks" too?

To add to what you're saying, "Maures" in French basically indicated Berber populations in Northern Africa. Meaning, non-Arabs, and non-Blacks. Later, it came to mean Muslims, whatever ethnic background they may have. Later again, it became to mean Black Muslims from the Sahara area. Even later, it came to indicate the populations of present-day Mauritania. So as you can see, the word itself has changed meanings quite a bit, going from one generalization to another.

Don't know why you bring up the mixed argument into it though.

Quite a few. They don't look Black to you, because of the race mixing. The word Mari has not changed meaning, because it is representative of a region. What has changed is the color of the inhabitants of the land due to race mixing, specifically with the white women of the north. I understand what you are saying, because they do have whitish skin now as do most Jews; but that is not their beginnings. Btw, here is a chart showing the mitochondrial DNA of the people of Morocco and North Africa. We know for a fact that historically that these people were not White, because contemporaneous accounts of the people of that era referring to them as Moors and because we know that the spreaders of Islam were also not White. Now look at where these people mothers DNA typically comes from due to the Harems. Very heavily European.

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.w...co-and-north-african-mitochondrial-dna-study/

 

[Samori Toure]

The word "black" means very little. This is an Arab description of Indians from the 11th century, from the "Categories Of Nations" by Said Al-Andalusi:

"India is the first nation to have cultivated the sciences, and
although black, Allah ranked them above many white and brown people. It is a powerful, wealthy and
populous nation known for the wisdom of its people and their abilities in all branches of knowledge"

"The Indians, as known to all nations for many centuries, are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are peoples of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. In spite of the fact that their color is in the first stage of blackness, which puts them in the same category as the blacks, Allah, in His glory, did not give them the low characters, the poor manners, nor the inferior principles associated with this group and ranked them above a large number of white and brown peoples."

"Some astrologers came up with an explanation for this condition; they said that both Saturn and Mercury control the destiny of the Indian people. Because of the influence of Saturn, their color turned black, while the influence of Mercury provided them with intellectual power and fine spirit. Saturn in partnership with Mercury gave them correctness of reasoning and depth of perception. This is why they enjoy the purity of talent and the power of distinction, making them totally different from the people of Sudan (Blacks) (2) such as the Zinj, the Abyssinians, the Ethiopians and others. To their credit, the Indians have made great strides in the study of numbers (3) and of geometry. They have acquired immense information and reached the zenith in their knowledge of the movements of the stars (astronomy) and the secrets of the skies (astrology) as well as other mathematical studies. After all that, they have surpassed all the other peoples in their knowledge of medical science and the strengths of various drugs, the characteristics of compounds and the peculiarities of substances."

So we can see here what the Arab perception of Black Africans was as far back as the 11th century....it wasn't good, and they clearly saw them as inferior to other "darker" people. Sure, they might have treated African muslims a little better, but that's not saying much.

"Black" doesn't really mean shyt.

The people of India were originally from Africa too. They were subsequently invaded by white colonist, specifically the Aryans, Greeks, Persians, Arabs and later yet the English. They still have islands of unmixed Africans all around India. Here are some unmixed Black Indians:
http://wn.com/jarawa_people_(andaman_islands)

There are also the Onge people of Nicobar Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onge_people and the Jambur people who were traders and slaves in India. http://binscorner.com/pages/j/jambur-indias-african-community.html


Here is a discussion on the cultures and religions of Western Kush (Nubia formerly called Ethiopia) and Eastern Kush (India).

http://ajendu.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-similarities-between-eastern-and.html
http://www.webindia123.com/india/people/people.htm

 

[GetInTheTruck]

The people of India were originally from Africa too. They were subsequently invaded by white colonist, specifically the Aryans, Greeks, Persians, Arabs and later yet the English. They still have islands of unmixed Africans all around India. Here are some unmixed Black Indians:
http://wn.com/jarawa_people_(andaman_islands)

There are also the Onge people of Nicobar Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onge_people and the Jambur people who were traders and slaves in India. http://binscorner.com/pages/j/jambur-indias-african-community.html


Here is a discussion on the cultures and religions of Western Kush (Nubia formerly called Ethiopia) and Eastern Kush (India).

http://ajendu.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-similarities-between-eastern-and.html
http://www.webindia123.com/india/people/people.htm

All this stuff has been addressed in other threads, not about to do it all again.

Can you address the 11th century quote that I cited?

 

[Samori Toure]

All this stuff has been addressed in other threads, not about to do it all again.

Can you address the 11th century quote that I cited?

Yes it was a stupid dumb belief system based upon ignorance, similar to the ones where the European insisted that the Egyptians had to be of European stock rather than of Sub-Saharan African stock.

If you want to get into that type of ignorance; then the Romans called the Nordic, Germanic and Celt people of Northern Europe a bunch of savages and barbarians. What do you have to say about that?

 

[John Hull]

The Euro sources that show Arabs, Jews, Canadians, and Flamingos were BLACK are the correct ones.


Don't trust any sources that say otherwise. They're all wrong. I can tell.

LOL

I used to think this guy was a funny theme alias.

Till I saw him blink and post out of character in his cac voice.

Glad he's in the red now where he belongs.