From everything I've seen and read... they would be considered blacker than me.
10 Facts That Clear Up Confusion Around What Exactly Is an Arab
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From everything I've seen and read... they would be considered blacker than me.
GetInTheTruck
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All those quotes are saying is that Arabs are typically dark skinned, so what? These are two distinct peoples, they are NOT the same. There are tons of dark Arabs in the ME today who we wouldn't consider to be "black." Skin color isn't the issue here.
The quotes I posted from Said Al-Andalusi are relevant for two reasons:
1) They demonstrate that skin color is again, meaningless. Indians are described as "black." Does that mean Indians are black within the modern context?
2) He specifically calls Black Africans an inferior people. Being that he was a high ranking judge and Ummayad scholar (the same Ummayads you just finished saying were black), we can conclude that this view was typical at the time among Arabs, let alone Arab elites.
The fact of the matter is that Arabs viewed themselves as a civilizing force of the Africans, similar to Europeans. They considered Africans to be savages and Islam to be their saving grace. I hate to break it to you man but these guys did not look like James Harden. They looked like Bin Laden.
Sunalmighty
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Muhammad was a white man, it says it CLEARLY in the Hadith.
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Nothing like a good history lesson/debate 
Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
I think a poster(getinthetruck) touched on it earlier that their two groups of Arabs:
Qahtani- pure/original Arabs, southern Arabs like the kind found in yemen
Adnan- Arabized, northern Arabs, people of north Africa and Levant
Qahtani Arabs in the American sense might be considered black, but not really in my view, although I will say most people in the "Arab world" consider them cousins of Abyssinians. I can tell alot of posters never been to middle east because there is so much strife between historical and modern day Arabs, that there is no clear answer of who is an Arab, other than if your father is an Arab your considered an Arab.
Qahtani- pure/original Arabs, southern Arabs like the kind found in yemen
Adnan- Arabized, northern Arabs, people of north Africa and Levant
Qahtani Arabs in the American sense might be considered black, but not really in my view, although I will say most people in the "Arab world" consider them cousins of Abyssinians. I can tell alot of posters never been to middle east because there is so much strife between historical and modern day Arabs, that there is no clear answer of who is an Arab, other than if your father is an Arab your considered an Arab.
hadiths contradict each other all the time. there is alot more evidence that he along with almost all of the original arabs of the 7th cenury were black.
i believe that is all we (those arguing that the original arabs were black) are saying. According to the american racial paradigm, if Muhmmad and his earliest followers were walking down the streets of brooklyn in modern clothes, they'd be viewed as a group of black men.
the closest modern analog for the original arabs are the tribes in east africa like the somalians and afar ethiopians. both claim they are actually of arab origin. and I believe em cause they look like the arabs described in the old texts.
Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
I would agree, a lot tribes in pre-islamic days around modern day hejaz, medina, and other cities in southern Arabia without a doubt would be consider black in the American sense, or at least mixed which is considered black in American( think of el debarge or Rick Fox). One thing that sticks out that alot people don't understand is that in the prophet Muhammad last speech he speaks of " whites having no superiority over blacks" and "or an Arab having no superiority over a non Arab". The point im making is most Arabs didn't align with whites or see themselves as part of white races (defacto aligning with blacks in his speech), but realized they were different/distinct from the blacks of Abyssinian or Ethiopia(rest of Africa)....
Indiglow Meta (R$G)
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it sounded like he wanted balance.
exactly. just like the ancient greeks and romans viewed themselves as different from the germanic tribes to the north but would still be viewed as white today.
Sunalmighty
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Aren't Bukahri and Muslim the 2 most authentic Hadiths? Because it came from Bukahri
I got no fukkin clue. All I know is they contradic each other and some are filled with outright lies. If they say muhammad had white skin, that is an outright lie.
GetInTheTruck
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Why should anybody believe you instead of Bukhari and Muslim? "White" in the sense it was used in hadiths probably meant "light brown." Either way, to believe he was black is pure fantasy.
Indiglow Meta (R$G)
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Why is black skin in the same desert terrain and why would super light brown skin exist in a place where cancer would chew it off? Make SCIENTIFIC/ANTHROPOLOGICAL SENSE.