[07/14 - 08/12] NJPW G1 Climax 28 - Match Schedule Announced

[stro]

who says he is overrated

He's not even the best member of his tag team breh. He's also not as good as Okada or Naito, and Tanahashi when he really feels like going all out. He can be in great matches with amazing spots and spectacles or he can do the basics like punches, kicks, and lock ups like it's his first week of wrestling school.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

This was some wild shyt

When Ibushi walked into the 3rd apartment

Yo man..... wtf did you just have me watch



Like...... I don’t even know how to process this.... yet alone respond

That 3rd apartment


Martha

 

[krackdagawd]

He's not even the best member of his tag team breh. He's also not as good as Okada or Naito, and Tanahashi when he really feels like going all out. He can be in great matches with amazing spots and spectacles or he can do the basics like punches, kicks, and lock ups like it's his first week of wrestling school.

Look who you are comparing against him. the best in the world so yeah he aint overrated. Im going by tsc tho i dont post on them other places

 

[Jmare007]

 

[krackdagawd]

Body goals like a motherfukker man im not that far off tho

 

[krackdagawd]

 

[TheGodling]

Lol at cats saying Omega is overrated. Dude is a great worker. I became a fan after finishing the 6 star match.

who says he is overrated

He's overrated. And that doesn't mean he's not a great wrestler, but he's probably not even top 5 in his own promotion (I'm counting an active Shibata as one of those five). That 6 star rating nonsense just gave American beards a narrative to run with, and it's not a coincidence that people only bring up those 6* ratings in favor of Omega. You never hear anyone use that to "verify" Okada's talent because everybody knows Okada doesn't need any false prop-ups.

I still rank Shibata's match against Okada higher than all of the Omega matches, and Okada's match against Naito at WK was just as good, but its legacy got deflated and forgotten because there is not a single person alive (outside of Gedo) who wanted to see that finish.

Again, nothing against Omega's talent because he could step into any other promotion and be the top man immediately, but this is NJPW where great workers meet extraordinary workers.

 

[julesocean]

Ibushi is also a top level draw.

Why he hasn't gotten a title run in New Japan has only been explained as the company not wanting to give that kind of push to someone that goes by the beat of his own drum and can leave to do his own thing at a moment's notice, leaving the time and push used to elevate the guy got to "waste". I have a very hard time believing that theory, but even if that were to be true, is a very dumb way of looking at things. Not taking advantage of a guy like him while he's at his peak is a missed opportunity to draw more money, make your product more interesting and the chance to create more stars. Even if Kota were to leave once his contract expires, NJ could take full advantage of the time he's with them and make as much money as possible. They have bent over backwards to give Ibushi a special treatment, the fact that giving him a belt is "out of bounds" is baffling to me.

Kenny has said in an interview that Gedo asked them to reform Golden Lovers earlier than he and Ibushi wanted to. But what we can learn from that is that all 3 of them have a big vision for the Ibushi/Kenny storyline planned out well ahead in their minds. I think it's fair to say Ibushi will have a much more prominent role than he's ever had in the company inside of 1 year from now. It's just a matter of how much, and how long.

 

[krackdagawd]

he could step into any other promotion and be the top man immediately,

The same cant be said for everyone who you named is better than him

I dont know how you can follow this statement w he is overrated but this is all opinion anyway so do ya. I never mention any of the ***** +matches on here because I dont give a fukk same reason im not in TV ratings threads or care about what these nikkas make.

He aint overrated to me and deserves the praise he gets as do the other top guys in the company.

 

[Jmare007]

Kenny has said in an interview that Gedo asked them to reform Golden Lovers earlier than he and Ibushi wanted to. But what we can learn from that is that all 3 of them have a big vision for the Ibushi/Kenny storyline planned out well ahead in their minds. I think it's fair to say Ibushi will have a much more prominent role than he's ever had in the company inside of 1 year from now. It's just a matter of how much, and how long.

Which is way I wrote this right after the paragraph you quoted...

Now, he will get a BIG Tokyo Dome match against Kenny Omega, either this coming January or 2020, he'll probably get a title run too if that match is for the IWGP title, but that doesn't take away the fact that refusing to give him the ball for so long has been a mistake.

 

[julesocean]

He's overrated. And that doesn't mean he's not a great wrestler, but he's probably not even top 5 in his own promotion (I'm counting an active Shibata as one of those five). That 6 star rating nonsense just gave American beards a narrative to run with, and it's not a coincidence that people only bring up those 6* ratings in favor of Omega. You never hear anyone use that to "verify" Okada's talent because everybody knows Okada doesn't need any false prop-ups.

I still rank Shibata's match against Okada higher than all of the Omega matches, and Okada's match against Naito at WK was just as good, but its legacy got deflated and forgotten because there is not a single person alive (outside of Gedo) who wanted to see that finish.

Again, nothing against Omega's talent because he could step into any other promotion and be the top man immediately, but this is NJPW where great workers meet extraordinary workers.

I totally agree with your angle here on pure wrestling. But when people (who are presumably Americans who grew up watching American wrestling) are ranking him in their top 5, I feel like they are taking into account promo work, and theatrics in the ring to go alongside the wrestling. Things that will bridge the gap for alot of people between WWE and Puro. I mean to rank Shibata above Kenny is simply personal preference for styles. If you like wrestlers that look like they are really shyt kicking out there, if you like wrestlers that are able to add some athletic high-flying to their arsenal.

Who are your top 5 in promotion then? Naito, Okada, Ibushi, Tanahashi, Shibata?

 

[Jmare007]

I wonder if Kenny would make my puro top 10 at the moment

Miyahara
Ishikawa
Ishii
Okada
Sekimoto
Hideki Suzuki
Tanahashi
Takuya Nomura
Naito
Ibushi
Okabayashi (injured)

Nope, he'd be the top gaijin though.

 

[julesocean]

Which is way I wrote this right after the paragraph you quoted...

It's not been a mistake in my eyes, he's only been back for like a year, and has had title runs in the company in his first run there. You can only push so many guys at once. Some guys don't need a secondary title to help them. Naito is an example. The last time he was IC champ you couldn't even tell. Ibushi is probably the only one right now that is so obviously primed to have a world title feud. People have taken the "New Japan don't trust him cuz he's freelance" angle too far. He took one break in his whole career to heal, try WWE, open a wrestling school, and actually came back to New Japan and people are acting like he's getting punished for it. He's in a beautiful spot and we just need to sit back and enjoy the matches and the run.

 

[Jmare007]

It's not been a mistake in my eyes, he's only been back for like a year, and has had title runs in the company in his first run there. You can only push so many guys at once. Some guys don't need a secondary title to help them. Naito is an example. The last time he was IC champ you couldn't even tell. Ibushi is probably the only one right now that is so obviously primed to have a world title feud. People have taken the "New Japan don't trust him cuz he's freelance" angle too far. He took one break in his whole career to heal, try WWE, open a wrestling school, and actually came back to New Japan and people are acting like he's getting punished for it. He's in a beautiful spot and we just need to sit back and enjoy the matches and the run.

I don't believe he's being punished either.

As someone that has been following the company one way or another - I mainly keep up with results these days, even for the G1 - for more than a decade, I've been dying to see fresh stuff for a long ass time now. Ibushi having a belt and defending it in New Japan would qualify as one to me, he could've gotten a run ever since he lost to Nakamura at WK 9. That's practically three years (not counting 2016 of course) were instead of using a guy that draws and is useful in many ways like Kota - good and fresh matchups, can elevate others if needed - they prefer to use him as a special attraction, and to me that's a mistake.

You mentioned Naito's last IC reign, that was preceded by a MiSu run that never felt like it truly started and a run by Tana that went for way too fukking long. There was no reason to not give a guy like Kota that belt and let him run with it, the dude sold out Osaka with the quickness as soon as a title match against Tana was booked, but nothing was made out of that.

What's frustrating about Gedo's booking, and that has driven me away from following the company like I once did, is that everything takes years to happen and when it finally does, it doesn't feel like the long wait was worth it, because the in-between time is just the same shyt over and over and over again. I've been told to "wait and enjoy the matches meanwhile" for 3 years with Naito, now I'm being told the same about Ibushi and Naito still hasn't gotten his run

 

[desp]

I don't believe he's being punished either.

As someone that has been following the company one way or another - I mainly keep up with results these days, even for the G1 - for more than a decade, I've been dying to see fresh stuff for a long ass time now. Ibushi having a belt and defending it in New Japan would qualify as one to me, he could've gotten a run ever since he lost to Nakamura at WK 9. That's practically three years (not counting 2016 of course) were instead of using a guy that draws and is useful in many ways like Kota - good and fresh matchups, can elevate others if needed - they prefer to use him as a special attraction, and to me that's a mistake.

You mentioned Naito's last IC reign, that was preceded by a MiSu run that never felt like it truly started and a run by Tana that went for way too fukking long. There was no reason to not give a guy like Kota that belt and let him run with it, the dude sold out Osaka with the quickness as soon as a title match against Tana was booked, but nothing was made out of that.

What's frustrating about Gedo's booking, and that has driven me away from following the company like I once did, is that everything takes years to happen and when it finally does, it doesn't feel like the long wait was worth it, because the in-between time is just the same shyt over and over and over again. I've been told to "wait and enjoy the matches meanwhile" for 3 years with Naito, now I'm being told the same about Ibushi and Naito still hasn't gotten his run

That's just classic long-term booking breh Gedo's a genius