Yvette Carnell and Talib Kweli Are Now Beefing. Talib Is Against ADOS

[get these nets]

She's about to throw Ta-Nehisi Coates under the bus soon.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

She finds somebody black to shyt on every week. The list is insane, but I'm "low down" if I so much as ask why she didn't call 'blood and soil' for what it is, if she knew what it is.

She's about to throw Ta-Nehisi Coates under the bus soon.

Ah, she's been on that wave for years. Back in 2016 she was on Coates for demanding Black-specific reparations and not something more general like Bernie Sanders' platform. Now that the tide has shifted she's on him from the opposite side. She must have called him out a dozen times already this year. I'm beyond sick of these "transactional" politics that suggest it's totally okay to cape for Ron Paul and join the board of orgs set up by racist alt-right nationalists in one moment, then on the person actually making the reparations movement happen the next moment cause he's not "down" enough.

 

[Donald J Trump]

Ah, she's been on that wave for years. Back in 2016 she was shytting on Coates for demanding Black-specific reparations and not something more general like Bernie Sanders' platform. Now that the tide has shifted she's shytting on him from the opposite side. She must have called him out a dozen times already this year. I'm beyond sick of these "transactional" politics that suggest it's totally okay to cape for Ron Paul and join the board of orgs set up by racist alt-right nationalists in one moment, then shyt on the person actually making the reparations movement happen the next moment cause he's not "down" enough.

you been lying on ados and suckin coates dikk all day bruh what gives

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you been lying on ados and suckin coates dikk all day bruh what gives

I have my own disagreements with Coates, but I respect him for being THE communicator for the reparations movement and doing things to get the word out that I didn't believe I'd ever see in my lifetime. That's something I've been praising him for since almost the first time I signed up on The Coli.

I ain't lied on Yvette once. But I am gonna sideeye anyone who claims that some person represents ADOS, especially when they seem to spend so much time hating on anyone who doesn't perfectly agree with their ever-shifting agenda. Twitter hashtags, attention-seeking beef, and creating division for the sake of division just don't do it for me. And "transactional politics" the way it's currently defined seems to be a recipe for a lot of unintended consequences and ugly shyt.

Over her time Yvette has said plenty of things that were on point. She has good ideas. Most of the people caping for her today don't even know that because they only jumped on board themselves. She's not a bad thinker. She's just too divisive. And there's no reason to give her the credit for what Coates and others built.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I have my own disagreements with Coates, but I respect him for being THE communicator for the reparations movement and doing things to get the word out that I didn't believe I'd ever see in my lifetime. That's something I've been praising him for since almost the first time I signed up on The Coli.
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He wrote one funky article. Let's not get carried away here.

 

[Donald J Trump]

He wrote one funky article. Let's not get carried away here.

And he didnt even challenge Obama when Obama tucked his tail on the issue

 

[HarlemHottie]

And he didnt even challenge Obama when Obama tucked his tail on the issue

Almost said it, but I fully expect nikkas to cop pleas.

 

[Goat poster]

He wrote one funky article. Let's not get carried away here.

That one article has done more than that bitter Dyke ever has.

 

[Donald J Trump]

That one article has done more than that bitter Dyke ever has.

Looks like Yvette got several presidential candidates embracing reparations

That article came out years ago and noone running from office even paid reparations any mind

 

[HarlemHottie]

That one article has done more than that bitter Dyke ever has.

Oooh, insults. So witty.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He wrote one funky article?

 

[Donald J Trump]

That's quite obviously false (although that one article had a bigger impact than anything anyone else has done on the issue in the 21st century). Educate yourself. If you think Coates was a one-hit wonder then it just shows that you haven't been very serious about this conversation until it started trending on Twitter.

And that "one funky article" broke The Atlantic's record for viewership on its very first day. Something like 4,000,000+ people read it immediately, tens of millions of people have read it since. Whereas Yvette has about 16,000 Twitter followers?

This came up in the other thread - Coates clearly gets the credit for making reparations a mainstream discussion.

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And if you read that, and follow Coates, you'll see that even though his original article had massive impact he's continued to put in work for five years.

you can talk about the article all you want


only two people that got black people gettin on code politically is ADOS leaders

not Coates


gettin on code got these politicans shook, not no damn Coates

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And he didnt even challenge Obama when Obama tucked his tail on the issue

It's cynical as hell for you to be complaining about Coates not "challenging" Obama enough to do something Obama sure as hell was never going to do at any point in his presidency, Coates had no way to impact that except by doing what he did (which was to move the Overton Window WAAAAAY over on this issue) and when Coates DID explicitly challenge Sanders in 2016 poor Yvette got mad at him and said that specific race-based measures weren't important enough to call people out like that.

You ghosted from the other conversation when I posted these receipts, but you decided to lie on me here so I'm gonna post them again:

YVETTE CARNELL: Well, listen. I would tell anyone that I am in favor of reparations. But reparations for me looks a lot like what Bernie Sanders defined. Reparations for me is massive investment in poor communities. And for me the whole problem with Ta-Nehisi Coates and what he, and what he did, what he did to me was really intellectually bankrupt. Because what he’s asking black people to do is follow this kind of identity politics, this kind of black identity politics, everything has to be about us being black people as opposed to everything being about us being poor people, disproportionately poor. And he wants us to follow down that road which really is a road to nowhere, leads to a goose egg.

You know, the most interesting thing to me about what Ta-Nehisi Coates said in terms of how he defined reparations is that he never really defined reparations. And he, and when you ask him about, hey, what does reparations look like and what is it supposed to be he says, well, I don’t have all the answers. Well, what you really don’t have is an argument. You’re happy to define reparations for yourself, but you’re telling me that what Bernie Sanders has here doesn’t go far enough.

And I would, I would ask, like he says, you know, he said in a more recent piece, he says, you know, black people have more concentrated poverty. Black people are even more poor than white people, than white poor people. That’s who we are. Well, that’s true. But that goes, that really guts his case. Because if you really know how poor we are as black people then you know that, okay, cutting us a check ain’t going to get it, and what we need is real infrastructure and real investment from the government. Everything from healthcare, everything to, everything from free college education. I mean, when you look at Flint, Michigan right now, that’s just perfect for me. You can’t, you can’t give black people a check for Flint and say, okay, deal with your stuff. That’s some, this is something that’s going to take massive investment from the government to fix.

And so the real, the real intellectually bankrupt part of Coates’ argument is that he doesn’t define an argument for himself other than say, you know what, black people are really, really poor. And socialism doesn’t go far enough. This sort of socialism stuff doesn’t go far enough. Well, that’s really not good in terms of a salient argument, is it, if I say that this doesn’t go far enough. It goes very far, and you haven’t defined how it should go further. The only thing you’ve really said, and the only thing Ta-Nehisi Coates has said, is he says that this sort of socialist politics does not vanquish racism. Those were his words. Well, my response would be nothing vanquishes racism. And we shouldn’t be concerned with vanquishing racism. I’m not concerned whether or not the white guy across town loves black people, or whether he hates black people. What I’m concerned with is the material consequence of racism. And the only way to help alleviate or ameliorate those consequences is through massive public investment that looks a lot like what [Sanders] is talking about.

A lot of the stuff she says there isn't even wrong, there's just no need for her to shyt on Coates in order to say it. And that was 2016, but now she's pulled a 180 and doing the EXACT thing she shytted on Coates for, and trying to take a giant dump on everyone who was talking the same way she talked just 2-3 years ago. Why didn't she change her tune in 2014? In 2016? Because people take TIME to shift their positions. Yvette was still caping for racists in 2012, still caping for non-reparations candidates in 2016, but you attack Coates for not being as forceful back when she wasn't doing 1/100th as much as him.

You gonna tell me that the person who was actively shytting on what Coates was doing for the reparations movement just 3 years ago is gonna get credit for bringing it mainstream?

Yvette continued to attack Coates for that position as late as 2018, claiming it wasn't fair for him to call Bernie out if he hadn't called Obama out (even though she was out there supporting candidates like racist Ron Paul without demanding that they do reparations).

So where do you get the right to hate on any of Coates's past positions, when Yvette is bringing in that kinda history.

Looks like Yvette got several presidential candidates embracing reparations

That article came out years ago and noone running from office even paid reparations any mind

Name ONE presidential candidate that has credited Yvette with them coming to their position. I already posted multiple receipts where Coates is credited with being the one who created the conversation.

Hell, the Eric Holder article where he endorsed reparations was from May 2016 (again, that article credits Coates). Why'd he finally do that then? It takes time to force people to take action, it doesn't happen overnight.

Y'all talk naive as hell in regards to political cycles, acting like someone writes an article or posts a Tweet and the political parties all rewrite their platforms the next day. The reparations movement was dead in the water for 15 years and now has been building for five, and Coates is the one that built that. People who were actively opposing Coates then suddenly pulled a 180 and jumped on board just as the movement was reaching the upper levels should only get credit for finally showing up to the party, they're clowns if they're gonna try to take credit for throwing it in the first place.

you can talk about the article all you want

only two people that got black people gettin on code politically is ADOS leaders

not Coates

gettin on code got these politicans shook, not no damn Coates

Again, just made-up twitter narrative. You have ZERO receipts.

You realize we just had an election? 2018 was an election year. So what were the results? Are you saying that Black people were on code politically due to Yvette and therefore they forced out politicians who weren't down for reparations. Name ONE state or national race where that happened.

Why do you assume that someone with 16,000 Twitter followers, someone who 95% of Black people have never even heard before, can magically change the discourse overnight when someone with millions of readers who was credited as one of the most influential people on the internet took years to build it.

Name one election, anywhere in the country, where Yvette got Black people "on code" and they kicked a candidate to the curb who refused to endorse reparations.

 

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I'm not saying I don't understand some beefs, but if your platform is focused more on finding yet another black person or group to tear down rather than the fight for reparations??? If every week you find your self hollering "You're trying to smear me!" but every week you're shytting on yet another 'enemy' without provocation??? At what point do you look in the mirror?

 

[get these nets]

Ah, she's been on that wave for years. Back in 2016 she was shytting on Coates for demanding Black-specific reparations and not something more general like Bernie Sanders' platform. Now that the tide has shifted she's shytting on him from the opposite side. She must have called him out a dozen times already this year. I'm beyond sick of these "transactional" politics that suggest it's totally okay to cape for Ron Paul and join the board of orgs set up by racist alt-right nationalists in one moment, then shyt on the person actually making the reparations movement happen the next moment cause he's not "down" enough.

I read this post and the one further down where you quoted her comments from 2016. I'm a bit shocked that her views on this topic could completely change in such a relatively short amount of time.
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I posted an older huff post article of hers that was in sharp contrast to some of her current views, but it was from 10 years ago. Life experiences can often turn us from idealistic young people to practical older people.
The 180 on "race identity politics" in 3 years is startling, though.