Young Thug: 1 million albums sold-Certified. Merry Christmas nikkas!

[hex]

And I said those are valuable critiques. But this isn't about calling for the RIAA.

the statement was, "so we're going to pretend people listening to your music 1.5 billion times isn't impressive?"

To which he answered, "No."
That's hater shyt. And you caping for him ain't .

I'm not even saying all these numbers are fake for any artist but Youtube already removed literally billions of views because they were faked.

YouTube wipes billions of video views after finding they had been 'faked by the music industry' | Daily Mail Online

The world's biggest recording companies have been stripped of two billion YouTube hits after the website cracked down on alleged 'fake' and 'dead' views.

Universal, home of Rihanna, Nicki Minaj and Justin Bieber, lost a total of one billion views in the video site’s biggest ever crackdown on its viewing figures.

Sony was second hardest hit, with the label behind such stars as Alicia Keys, Rita Ora and Labrinth losing more than 850million views in a single day.

As you can see the biggest culprits were record labels. Incidentally, the RIAA now also counts Youtube views towards gold and plat plaques.

So there is a clear cut case of views being faked that could lead to fake certification numbers. So nah, these new rule numbers aren't necessarily impressive. If you ignore all the evidence that the numbers can easily be tampered with, sure.

Fred.

 

[Pressure]

I'm not even saying all these numbers are fake for any artist but Youtube already removed literally billions of views because they were faked.

YouTube wipes billions of video views after finding they had been 'faked by the music industry' | Daily Mail Online



As you can see the biggest culprits were record labels. Incidentally, the RIAA now also counts Youtube views towards gold and plat plaques.

So there is a clear cut case of views being faked that could lead to fake certification numbers. So nah, these new rule numbers aren't necessarily impressive. If you ignore all the evidence that the numbers can easily be tampered with, sure.

Fred.

That was in 2012, around the time they started counting streaming if I remember correctly. Since then we've seen google implemented systems to crack down on fake views, similar to the mass purge of fake instagram twitter followers for rappers. So are we assuming now 4 years later they still aren't cracking down on fake views before the RIAA certifies these artists are platinum? do you think they work with their list of accepted providers to remove "dead viewers" to give an accurate count? I think that's a fair assumption.

But I'l play along. Let's assume Young Thug is on the same level as Alicia keys and suggest that he has 850million fake streams. Is it still not impressive that people have listened to his music 650 million times? If you say no then you're missing the forest for the trees.

 

[hex]

That was in 2012, around the time they started counting streaming if I remember correctly. Since then we've seen google implemented systems to crack down on fake views, similar to the mass purge of fake instagram twitter followers for rappers. So are we assuming now 4 years later they still aren't cracking down on fake views before the RIAA certifies these artists are platinum? do you think they work with their list of accepted providers to remove "dead viewers" to give an accurate count? I think that's a fair assumption.

But I'l play along. Let's assume Young Thug is on the same level as Alicia keys and suggest that he has 850million fake streams. Is it still not impressive that people have listened to his music 650 million times? If you say no then you're missing the forest for the trees.

It's not specifically about....actually never mind that for a sec.

Average every day people have been able to rack up fake streaming numbers on Spotify. This article is from earlier this year:

Music streaming has a nearly undetectable fraud problem

Engineer William Bedell came out with a step-by-step tutorial on how to set up a click fraud scheme last year. It was “mesmerizing to watch the plays rack up,” wrote Bedell, who says he made more than $32 a day from fake streams with minimal effort. Michigan band Vulfpeck took the issue of click fraud public in a similar way in 2014 when it asked fans to stream 30-second silent songs; the band nabbed almost $20,000. (Spotify eventually got annoyed and pulled the plug.)

They literally made $20,000 off silence.

These are people with no budget or "machine" backing them. Now imagine millions of dollars invested in a mainstream artist. You think the industry ain't up on this shyt?

People need to stop looking at the specifics of Young Thug or Youtube and look at the bigger picture. All this shyt can be faked easily. So yeah, knowledgeable people are going to look at these accomplishments with skepticism.

Fred.

 

[Pressure]

It's not specifically about....actually never mind that for a sec.

Average every day people have been able to rack up fake streaming numbers on Spotify. This article is from earlier this year:

Music streaming has a nearly undetectable fraud problem



They literally made $20,000 off silence.

These are people with no budget or "machine" backing them. Now imagine millions of dollars invested in a mainstream artist. You think the industry ain't up on this shyt?

People need to stop looking at the specifics of Young Thug or Youtube and look at the bigger picture. All this shyt can be faked easily. So yeah, knowledgeable people are going to look at these accomplishments with skepticism.

Fred.

A fair amount of skepticism is okay. And looking at the industry as a whole, at least genre by genre, can we not form a reasonable expectation of how accurate those numbers may actually be based on other factors? For example, but not limited to how often they tour, the type of venue, how well they sale out those venues.

James.

 

[Deezy314619]

::YoungThugWow::YoungThugWow::YoungThugWow:

 

[hex]

A fair amount of skepticism is okay. And looking at the industry as a whole, at least genre by genre, can we not form a reasonable expectation of how accurate those numbers may actually be based on other factors? For example, but not limited to how often they tour, the type of venue, how well they sale out those venues.

James.

Not really, because the numbers are so wildly dissimilar they can't be compared. 1.5 billion streams is platinum now....what's the largest arena in the world? You get what I'm saying?

Not that we're still arguing but I'd like to give another example of what I'm saying. Katy Perry's lawyer, Jay Cooper, said this about RIAA certification vis-à-vis music promotion:

Surprise, Surprise: The RIAA Gets Streaming All Wrong

But we all know that this is about more than qualifying to own a shiny plaque. “The natural way of things is that it’s a good promotional tool,” said Jay Cooper, a Los Angeles lawyer who has represented artists like Katy Perry. “The fact that it’s gone platinum means that the public accepts it. And if people see that the public accepts it, more people are going to say, ‘Hey, maybe I should buy that.'”

Look at this thread. Dude made it to brag about an artist's streams, which is what the industry counts on because people are sheep.

I wouldn't say skepticism is okay, I'd say it should be the norm when dealing with these numbers.

Fred.

 

[mobbinfms]

Not really, because the numbers are so wildly dissimilar they can't be compared. 1.5 billion streams is platinum now....what's the largest arena in the world? You get what I'm saying?

Not that we're still arguing but I'd like to give another example of what I'm saying. Katy Perry's lawyer, Jay Cooper, said this about RIAA certification vis-à-vis music promotion:

Surprise, Surprise: The RIAA Gets Streaming All Wrong



Look at this thread. Dude made it to brag about an artist's streams, which is what the industry counts on because people are sheep.

I wouldn't say skepticism is okay, I'd say it should be the norm when dealing with these numbers.

Fred.

Not to mention that it's a fake plaque. It's not even from the RIAA.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

There must be a website you can get plaques made.

Gold Record Platinum Record Records Album LP

Custom Record Awards - Create your own Gold or Platinum Record Award

I have a friend who has like 5 fake plaques at his crib... also the more $$$ you're willing to pay the more legit & customization you can make them look... he basically goes & prints out a shiny "RIAA" in shiny silver, places it in the frame & hangs them at his crib to impress women...

 

[ShackZilla89]

This can't be real...

 

[Pressure]

Not to mention that it's a fake plaque. It's not even from the RIAA.

We're in agreement. I touched on that earlier. It looks like they're taking a real plaque for a hit single then throwing their streams and albums on top to increase the credibility of multiple projects.

For example, giving Desiigner a plaque for his mixtape based on the sells of Panda instead of just the single.

 

[Buzzed Lightyear]

Gold Record Platinum Record Records Album LP

Custom Record Awards - Create your own Gold or Platinum Record Award

I have a friend who has like 5 fake plaques at his crib... also the more $$$ you're willing to pay the more legit & customization you can make them look... he basically goes & prints out a shiny "RIAA" in shiny silver, places it in the frame & hangs them at his crib to impress women...

Šhit's crazy. No different than ass implants.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

Šhit's crazy. No different than ass implants.

Crazy thing is even RIAA Certs aren't free... I have a friend who is a producer that did some pretty decent things in the late 90's & early 2000's that finally decided to get his Plaques last year. He said depending on which ones you want the RIAA charges differently... his cheapest plaque was around $400 & his most expensive was around $1,500. A lot of legit cats just don't feel the need to pay the RIAA for their plaques so they go without them.

 

[JetFueledThoughts]

Platinum don't mean what it used to, we living in a time were a few million streams is plat if this existed back in the early 2000's ja rule would be diamond status smh

I see the point in what you're saying but this is just straight wrong bro.

Chance's Coloring Book got streamed like 33 million times first week, that equated to less than 100k album sales

 

[mortuus est]

I have a friend who has like 5 fake plaques at his crib..

 

[JetFueledThoughts]

So we're going to pretend having your music listened to 1.5 billion times isn't impressive?

They don't wanna hear that bro they just wanna get the anger out

Never mind that the plaque isn't even an RIAA 'platinum plaque'. But he did get an equivalent of 1 million sold, the plaque commemorates that.

But they don't wanna hear the logic bro