You know it's inevitable... The Batman V Superman SPOILER Discussion Thread

[Arishok]

I think it was way too early to use Doomsday and a death of superman plot. Not sure what other villain could have been used instead but still

I go back and forth with my feelings on Doomsday and the Death of Superman subplot.

I think it's excellent to use it as a stepping stone to get the JL but I also thinks it's too soon.

Also they could always use Doomsday again since he was been rebirth many times in the comics.

 

[NinoBrown]

I am trying to like it, but the tension of the film was relentless, no levity, complete gridmark when it didn't need to be.

Or it was 2am when I was watching it, so physical fatigue after gym and work may have caused some bias.

Transitions were sloppy and it felt like a teenage fanboy put this cut together...

 

[Jello Biafra]

You guys have to drop this.

Not a single negative critique of this movie comes from it not being done the "Marvel Way". Can everyone parroting that nonsense stop for a second and remember that The Dark Knight is the most universally praised comic book movie ever, and is the film responsible for why people now judge comic book movies not as just dumb action flicks, but instead appreciate their potential to be genuinely great films. TDK was dark, TDK was "different", it was complex, it had a lot of characters, it wasn't funny, and yet to this day only it's the most universally praised comic movie.


This is a bad movie. Straight up. Damn near everyone in here praising this movie first starts with "The editing was bad but-", "Eisenberg was bad but-", "Some of the writing was bad but-", "Cavill was uninteresting as Superman but", "It was too long but", "Doomsday looked bad but-", "The final fight wasn't that great but-", if so many people who enjoy this are so acutely aware of it's many flaws, why is it so hard to believe that many, perhaps even a majority of people, will not be able to excuse the laundry list of basic movie making errors made in this film and not be able to enjoy it?

Bruh...I was replying specifically to a person in this thread who put up a critical post full of "this movie didn't follow the Marvel blueprint" bullet points.

 

[lutha]

I keep hearing this but Why introduce a character that nobody barely knows and has the same name as a character EVERYONE knows? I'm not mad they went a different angle but this "new Lex" is way too similar to the Riddler and Joker for it to be an original take.

after a lil research, I've changed my mind: he isn't the luthor i'm thinking of, he's not playing alexander luthor of earth 3, he's actually playing the lex we know...in fact, he's playing lex how he was originally in the comics...lex didnt start off bald nor was he the charismatic guy we later got to know....he grew into the one we know and became bald later on (by mistake)....which makes sense and goes with the coming of age theme of superman/lex/jl.....in the next film with him, he'll be more like the guy we know....

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Well she figured Doomday was Kryptonian because it had come from Zod's crashed ship and Supes was about to take the death blow from Bruce with it. That's why she got rid of it because it could hurt Clark. When she realized they could use it to kill Doomsday, she went back for it...

She even throws it far away from Superman because she realizes the further he is from it the less harm it can do. nikkas don't pay attention man

 

[lutha]

I think it was way too early to use Doomsday and a death of superman plot. Not sure what other villain could have been used instead but still

to me, that's the only thing they could've done to setup the league...if you have superman beating everything, there is no need for a league....you had to have him 'die' to show that 1 person cant be the only one to defend everything...not only that, you had to show that there are threats large enough that it takes more than 1 person....

I was more surprised that wb/dc had the balls to go through with it...

 

[IceDragon]

Yeah the more i think about it since my first post, the more i think it was effective as a setup for the league. Darkseid will be the bigger threat.

 

[Arishok]

to me, that's the only thing they could've done to setup the league...if you have superman beating everything, there is no need for a league....you had to have him 'die' to show that 1 person cant be the only one to defend everything...not only that, you had to show that there are threats large enough that it takes more than 1 person....

I was more surprised that wb/dc had the balls to go through with it...

This is where I'm at. Folks wanted BRAINIAC or power suit Lex but that doesn't justify a Justice League.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Don't agree with that first one. For sure agree with the other 2 points. Batman letting him go just because him mom has the same name as his mom was dumb

Jesus... He let him go because Superman says he needed his help to save Martha... And then Lois told Batman that Martha is his fukking mother..

The strongest dude on earth is asking for your help to save his mom... How hard is this to comprehend especially in a comic book movie

 

[Arishok]

Jesus... He let him go because Superman says he needed his help to save Martha... And then Lois told Batman that Martha is his fukking mother..

The strongest dude on earth is asking for your help to save his mom... How hard is this to comprehend especially in a comic book movie

I saw it as saying Martha made him hesitate but hearing Lex set this all up stopped him.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Second watch, I think a key line from Kal is after the senate bombing :

"I didn't see it because I wasn't looking Lois"

MOS established that he either hears a buttload or he focuses on particular things (like the flashbacks or Zod mastering his senses). He didn't notice the bomb because he wasn't expecting a bombing, and he wasn't paying attention to Smallville because he didn't expect anyone to go after his mom.

After they gag his mom I don't see how he would find her, which is why he's trying to get Batman to help - the movie established that Clark knows Batman is getting outside help and lo and behold, it's Alfred who finds Martha.

So Superman's reaction to go to Bruce for help....was spot on and worked.

Exactly...

Which is why I don't understand why it's so hard to not see these things. She's gagged up and quiet.. What's Supermsn going to do, smell her?

And I even think she was in Gotham... Not metropolis. He didn't have time to search the city and look for her and even if he did Lex could've just had her killed

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I saw it as saying Martha made him hesitate but hearing Lex set this all up stopped him.

That's very true as well. And Batman heard it from an outside source... Lois, not Superman

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Jesus... He let him go because Superman says he needed his help to save Martha... And then Lois told Batman that Martha is his fukking mother..

The strongest dude on earth is asking for your help to save his mom... How hard is this to comprehend especially in a comic book movie

Aye keeping every part of this movie breh

 

[StraxStrax]

I don't like any film that shows most of the film or best parts in a trailer. Hate that.

What is shown in trailers does not change film quality.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Aye keeping every part of this movie breh

Ok... I'll keep the simplest shyt in the movie to understand then