"You Can Only Avoid The Truth For So Long" Brook v Spence SHOWTIME 5/27 Fight Thread

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So you think he was cool with making those mistakes? Gtfoh, if so he wouldn't be talking that "b-" shyt

Never said he was cool with anything. I just opted to give Kell his props. In fact, he probably can make the same mistakes he made Saturday because I don't think there's a better counter puncher at 147 than Kell. But to keep selling that someone in their 22nd fight has a glaring flaw when it took all of 3-4 rounds to adjust to a world class level fighter is kind of a stretch. Of course he has room for improvement. I just don't think it's something that will plague him moving forward as you seem to think.
 

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Never said he was cool with anything. I just opted to give Kell his props. In fact, he probably can make the same mistakes he made Saturday because I don't think there's a better counter puncher at 147 than Kell. But to keep selling that someone in their 22nd fight has a glaring flaw when it took all of 3-4 rounds to adjust to a world class level fighter is kind of a stretch. Of course he has room for improvement. I just don't think it's something that will plague him moving forward as you seem to think.
You're missing the point either on purpose or you just lost. Spence did a good job. However he showed NOTHING to suggest he's on a higher skill level than Broner. That is all.
 

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^^ Broner just saying that he was walking around at 183lbs. The "naturally" bigger excuse between those two is simply who can push away from the dinner table the most. I agree that Spence's seek and destroy style would be dangerous against a puncher like GGG. But that's the nature of the beast. The "mistakes" he made Saturday were mistakes he was comfortable making against the right opponent. I'm sure when he fights somebody that has too much heat being returned, he'd make an adjustment. Only time will tell tho.

Never said he was cool with anything. I just opted to give Kell his props. In fact, he probably can make the same mistakes he made Saturday because I don't think there's a better counter puncher at 147 than Kell. But to keep selling that someone in their 22nd fight has a glaring flaw when it took all of 3-4 rounds to adjust to a world class level fighter is kind of a stretch. Of course he has room for improvement. I just don't think it's something that will plague him moving forward as you seem to think.
Saying someone is comfortable making mistakes is the same as saying they're cool.
 

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The production & intro showin the UK with Brook narrating about his dreams makin this seem like a war movie. Showtime really eclipsed HBO :ohhh:. Gonna watch this when I get off to fully absorb the drama.
 

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Saying someone is comfortable making mistakes is the same as saying they're cool.

We just have different opinions of what a "mistake" is. I don't care how you try to wrap it up with a bow on the tail end, it just sounds like you're taking away from the good job Spence did. He wins convincingly, you hollering about him making "way too many mistakes". But in the same breath you wanna chalk Broner catching the beats to Marcos as him simply "having big advantages" over Broner.:usure: Especially when that fight was nothing but a comedy of errors by Broner. He got knocked down cause he dropped both hands to defend what he thought was a jab to the stomach AND pulled straight back with his head.....amateur shyt. But continue on this crusade trying to tie Spence talent level to Broner's. :stopitslime:This the same guy that got a split decision with Paulie Malignaggi while every other elite welter he's faced TKO'd him (Garcia and Porter). :mjlol: Paulie hit him 214 times in that fight, but you wanna use a fight where the best counter puncher at 147, who's also elite and a world champion, hit Spence 136 times as your litmus test for how vulnerable he'll be in the future? :mindblown:

Quit trying to spin your backhanded compliment into some kinda informed opinion on boxing. The guy just went across the pond and beat an elite champion in his 22nd fight. You and your "way too many mistakes" and "failed punch sequence" can kick rocks......and hope Broner don't run into those Mikey Garcia problems at 140
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Can we give the referee a lot of credit :salute:

He really let them brehs fight on the inside he rarely broke them up. In some instances it seemed like Kell was wanting the ref to jump in and break, then EJ would continue to hit him with his free hand or break his arms free and rip off a combo
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He got to showing his strength, shrugging Brook off with his shoulder, stepping forward and then reloading the clip
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1.We just have different opinions of what a "mistake" is. I don't care how you try to wrap it up with a bow on the tail end, it just sounds like you're taking away from the good job Spence did. He wins convincingly, you hollering about him making "way too many mistakes".2. But in the same breath you wanna chalk Broner catching the beats to Marcos as him simply "having big advantages" over Broner.:usure: Especially when that fight was nothing but a comedy of errors by Broner. He got knocked down cause he dropped both hands to defend what he thought was a jab to the stomach AND pulled straight back with his head.....amateur shyt. But continue on this crusade trying to tie Spence talent level to Broner's. :stopitslime: This the same guy that got a split decision with Paulie Malignaggi while every other elite welter he's faced TKO'd him (Garcia and Porter). :mjlol: Paulie hit him 214 times in that fight,3. but you wanna use a fight where the best counter puncher at 147, who's also elite and a world champion, hit Spence 136 times as your litmus test for how vulnerable he'll be in the future? :mindblown:

4.Quit trying to spin your backhanded compliment into some kinda informed opinion on boxing. The guy just went across the pond and beat an elite champion in his 22nd fight. 5.You and your "way too many mistakes" and "failed punch sequence" can kick rocks......and hope Broner don't run into those Mikey Garcia problems at 140
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1.I'm glad he won,was rooting for him. But yes indeed he was making too many mistakes. Constantly taking right hand leads early,repeating the same tired non working punch sequence and getting his jab countered very very often.

2.I never chalked up broner getting split by chino to just the size. He obviously made mistakes as did Spence did against brook. Difference is Broner made mistakes against a much bigger man so it had more severe consequences. LIKE I SAID,IF SPENCE MADE THE SAME MISTAKES HE MADE AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE A GGG,WE'D BE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

3.Never said anything like this. WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID,IS HAD HE MADE THESE SAME MISTAKES AGAINST Someone whom was as bigger and stronger over him as Maidana was to Broner,he would have had major problems and i think would have lost the fight.

4.I'm not spinning at all. I have noticed that you like to do that alot. It's corny.

5. I'm only here to speak the truth. He kept repeating that same failed sequence like some 8-bit video game character.
 

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Some late thoughts that may have or may have not been said:

Was impressed with Brook early on. It really suprised me that the first half of the fight Brook seemed to be the quicker fighter and had an easier time getting punches off than Spence.

Showtime kept talking talking about Spence possibly getting tired as the fight went on. When you are young and talented, no excuses going late into a fight, even if you aren't experienced. Proved that Brook was the one tiring late. Likely due to Spence's work and maybe some weight.

The other thing that surprised me was despite the great action and quantity and intensity of the punches being thrown, that very few were of the replay highlight level of connection. Both guys did an excellent job of avoiding the really big power shots.

To me Brook's power is good, but not great. Seemed to show vs. Spence. He can back you off, but I don't think Brook has true KO power. That is one thing that concerns me about Brook going to 154 (along with his short reach and now two fractured eye sockets).

Spence has very good power. Versus top fighters explosive KO's become harder to come by, but he obviously has the type of power to hurt and wear opponents down so they are diminished later in the fight.

I am one of many here who felt Spence was the heir apparent at 147...now he has taken a legit step to prove it. I hate that I think he beats Thurman, but that would be a hell of a fight and I could see Thurman's movement give Spence problems. I love Crawford and think I favor him vs. basically anyone at 147...but Spence may be more than what he wants right now...however, great fighters sometimes need a great opponent. I would love to see that fight one day.

I don't need to see Spence vs. Porter (would actually be a great fight, I just hate Porter's ugly ass style), but seeing Spence give Danny the beats. :banderas:
 
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Some late thoughts that may have or may have not been said:

Was impressed with Brook early on. It really suprised me that the first half of the fight Brook seemed to be the quicker fighter and had an easier time getting punches off than Spence.

Showtime kept talking talking about Spence possibly getting tired as the fight went on. When you are young and talented, no excuses going late into a fight, even if you aren't experienced. Proved that Brook was the one tiring late. Likely due to Spence's work and maybe some weight.

The other thing that surprised me was despite the great action and quantity and intensity of the punches being thrown, that very few were of the replay highlight level of connection. Both guys did an excellent job of avoiding the really big power shots.

To me Brook's power is good, but not great. Seemed to show vs. Spence. He can back you off, but I don't think Brook has true KO power. That is one thing that concerns me about Brook going to 154 (along with his short reach and now two fractured eye sockets).

Spence has very good power. Versus top fighters explosive KO's become harder to come by, but he obviously has the type of power to hurt and wear opponents down so they are diminished later in the fight.

I am one of many here who felt Spence was the heir apparent at 147...now he has taken a legit step to prove it. I hate that I think he beats Thurman, but that would be a hell of a fight and I could see Thurman's movement give Spence problems. I love Crawford and think I favor him vs. basically anyone at 147...but Spence may be more than what he wants right now...however, great fighters sometimes need a great opponent. I would love to see that fight one day.

I don't need to see Spence vs. Porter (would actually be a great fight, I just hate Porter's ugly ass style), but seeing Spence give Danny the beats. :banderas:

I like Porter and like his fights they are all pure fukkery (on a good way). Other that that I agree, good post
 

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1.I'm glad he won,was rooting for him. But yes indeed he was making too many mistakes. Constantly taking right hand leads early,repeating the same tired non working punch sequence and getting his jab countered very very often.

2.I never chalked up broner getting split by chino to just the size. He obviously made mistakes as did Spence did against brook. Difference is Broner made mistakes against a much bigger man so it had more severe consequences. LIKE I SAID,IF SPENCE MADE THE SAME MISTAKES HE MADE AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE A GGG,WE'D BE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

3.Never said anything like this. WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID,IS HAD HE MADE THESE SAME MISTAKES AGAINST Someone whom was as bigger and stronger over him as Maidana was to Broner,he would have had major problems and i think would have lost the fight.

4.I'm not spinning at all. I have noticed that you like to do that alot. It's corny.

5. I'm only here to speak the truth. He kept repeating that same failed sequence like some 8-bit video game character.

:mindblown: you and this bigger man nonsense. Chino and Broner both campaigned at lightweight, 140, and 147. Has GGG ever campaigned at 147? If you're gonna try to draw parallels, at least make sense. I already posted Broner himself saying he walked around at 183lbs. So again, what size/power disadvantage are we supposed to give Broner a pass for? You and this "woulda coulda shoulda" crap about if he was in there with a damn Middleweight narrative. Fact remains, he wasn't in there with a Middleweight and he was able to take whatever heat came his way using that gameplan. So what's the fuss about? This is the epitome of nitpicking.

And realistically, how can you use the word "failed" about a punch sequence that ultimately led to breaking Kell down?
 

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:mindblown: you and this bigger man nonsense. Chino and Broner both campaigned at lightweight, 140, and 147. Has GGG ever campaigned at 147? If you're gonna try to draw parallels, at least make sense. I already posted Broner himself saying he walked around at 183lbs. So again, what size/power disadvantage are we supposed to give Broner a pass for? You and this "woulda coulda shoulda" crap about if he was in there with a damn Middleweight narrative. Fact remains, he wasn't in there with a Middleweight and he was able to take whatever heat came his way using that gameplan. So what's the fuss about? This is the epitome of nitpicking.

And realistically, how can you use the word "failed" about a punch sequence that ultimately led to breaking Kell down?
He got his ass whooped. That is all. He had no plan b. Not even a plan A for that matter.
 
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:mindblown:1. you and this bigger man nonsense. Chino and Broner both campaigned at lightweight, 140, and 147. Has GGG ever campaigned at 147? If you're gonna try to draw parallels, at least make sense. I already posted Broner himself saying he walked around at 183lbs. 2.So again, what size/power disadvantage are we supposed to give Broner a pass for? You and this "woulda coulda shoulda" crap about if he was in there with a damn Middleweight narrative. 3.Fact remains, he wasn't in there with a Middleweight and he was able to take whatever heat came his way using that gameplan.4. So what's the fuss about? This is the epitome of nitpicking.

5.And realistically, how can you use the word "failed" about a punch sequence that ultimately led to breaking Kell down?
1.so you're going on record saying maidana wasnt much bigger than broner? lmao

2.Lol who's looking for a pass? Broner dared to be great and payed for it. Point is SPence has done nothing to PROVE he is of a higher skill level than Broner

3.Good for him,glad he brought them belts back

4.No fuss,just stating the obvious. Spence is good,can be great but his performance the other day wasnt all that from a SKILL STANDPOINT.

5.He finally changed his approach to break him down. It wasnt that same sequence i'm referring to that got to brook.
 
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