"You Can Only Avoid The Truth For So Long" Brook v Spence SHOWTIME 5/27 Fight Thread

[bigbadbossup2012]

Broners got talent but I dont think his skills are elite, I think he falls a little short of that. Maidana busted him up and nearly knocked him out

Broners not as disciplined as Floyd, I dont think his reflexes are elite. I dont think his hand speed is elite. Hes not as focused and disciplined through a 12 round fight, he has lapses.

If Spence is as good as I think he is (time will tell) then I dont think Broners skills are neck and neck with his. Spence for a multitude of reasons is better then Broner

You're downplaying broner too much and upping spence too much. If the spence we just saw was facing someone with the size and power advantages over him that chino had over broner. He might have lost or got hurt even worse. This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don. He's alot closer to keith thurman than i previously thought (following thurman garcia) and given his style even danny might still be a threat.
If spence (from last night) jumped up and fought GGG i think he'd get done worse than broner vs maidana.

 

[GzUp]

You're downplaying broner too much and upping spence too much. If the spence we just saw was facing someone with the size and power advantages over him that chino had over broner. He might have lost or got hurt even worse. This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don. He's alot closer to keith thurman than i previously thought (following thurman garcia) and given his style even danny might still be a threat.
If spence (from last night) jumped up and fought GGG i think he'd get done worse than broner vs maidana.

True.

Spence was beatable last night, that chino who fought broner could have beat Spence last night.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

True.

Spence was beatable last night, that chino who fought broner could have beat Spence last night.

lol i aint saying all that,but someone whom had the advantages chino had over broner,would have

 

[GzUp]

lol i aint saying all that,but someone whom had the advantages chino had over broner,would have

Breh I watch that fight often and Marcos was possessed that night, people will more so say that broner was just not the goods but he really was, Marcos was just a machine that night and add to the fact he can really crack.

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Breh I watch that fight often and Marcos was possessed that night, people will more so say that broner was just not the goods but he really was, Marcos was just a machine that night and add to the fact he can really crack.

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

I know the fight well but spence would have stopped him IMO

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Breh I watch that fight often and Marcos was possessed that night, people will more so say that broner was just not the goods but he really was, Marcos was just a machine that night and add to the fact he can really crack.

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana full fight HD

I know the fight well but spence would have stopped him IMO

No way Chino beats Spence. Spence is dramatically bigger than Broner and far more powerful. Chino would have tried to walk down Spence but after taking some precise shots, hed be in retreat and would eventually get stopped in a thriller. Nobody beating Spence at 147 for years guys. Hes just too big and skilled.

 

[theflyest]

kell didn't deserve to get his 0 took like that..should have never went up to face GGG smh

I disagree with the first statement.

That's what happens when you don't respect the sport. I understand this is prize fighting, but you still have to respect the craft. Moving up is a process.

 

[Yuzo]

This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don.

by round 7 spence was starting to make brook miss a lot of counters.

these are the same counters brook was making spence run into for a few rounds. these were nice adjustments by spence. i think it had to have discouraged brook a lot to see spence taking away his weapons and coming on stronger. its really hard to share a ring with a guy who can hit you but who you cant hit.

 

[Axum Ezana]

Going to rewatch this again tonight

yeah I rewatched it. spence did way better in the early rds than i thought before. he wasn't getting crazy outboxed like everyone wants to say...those early rds was fukkin close and spence even won some.

he basically gave away one(maybe 3rd rd) with just coming forward throwing no punches at the end...lol(don't know why he did that....guess to prove he could take kell punch)

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

by round 7 spence was starting to make brook miss a lot of counters.

these are the same counters brook was making spence run into for a few rounds. these were nice adjustments by spence. i think it had to have discouraged brook a lot to see spence taking away his weapons and coming on stronger. its really hard to share a ring with a guy who can hit you but who you cant hit.

Good,but if I was coaching,I'd want that adjustment waaaaaay earlier.
He won ko so all is well that ends well but still.


Gifs don't dispel MY COMMENTS at all

"This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don"

 

[surv2syn]

so Brook has had both eye sockets broken in his last 2 fights. I would like to see him seriously contemplate retirement. he should be well set financially. I know he would entertain a fight with Khan because that would really secure his nest egg....but not sure its worth it.

 

[surv2syn]

Fam if you're a 40 yr old Pacman what do you even do. Look at this carnage.

On one side of the street you have Crawford and on the other side you have Thurman and Spence .

I agree. and while Pac is still a tough fight for anyone, he is steadily declining. I just think if he didnt have so much going on with his finances, he would be retired right now.

 

[Champ_KW]

Floyd has ruined some of you cats

This is elite level prize fighting with guys standing mere inches away from each other. To hear cats try to dispel Spence cause he ate lead right hands early in the fight is embarrassing. Not everyone is gonna be an elite defensive fighter like Floyd. In his 22nd fight, he dropped 3 maybe 4 rounds before adjusting to an elite opponent, what a bum?!

He took Kell weapon away from him and walked him down. And to keep harping on a "failed punch sequence" is asinine. That same punch sequence unlocked the second half of the fight for him. It was obvious that Derrick James wanted to limit Kell counters to just one punch. Spence ducked under and raked the body. Go listen to any pre fight interview. James said Kell couldn't fight on the inside. Trying to crack the code dancing on the outside at the end of Kell jab would've been a mistake. Ducking under the counter and ending up in Kell chest was a sound plan. By the 2nd half of the fight, he made another adjustment of making Kell over extend with his jab and countered over the top. To not see the systematic breaking down of Kell from the opening bell says more about some of you guys boxing acumen than it does about Spence or any of his shortcomings.

 

[surv2syn]

Good,but if I was coaching,I'd want that adjustment waaaaaay earlier.
He won ko so all is well that ends well but still.


Gifs don't dispel MY COMMENTS at all

"This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don"

Brook was in control, no doubt. This was against a Spence who although he looked good, displayed areas where he could use some improvement in. Still learning. Breaking down this tape is gonna make him even better. This is far from the best Spence you will see. Thats the scary part.

 

[surv2syn]

at the length you going to discredit Broner. Floyd and Toney are like top 25 most defensive boxers ever. You can have good defense and not be on there level. Damn near half the boxers out, can't properly blend offense and defense together. That's why we have a lot of very good boxers and not a lot of great boxers.

Broner is sneaky offensively as well. Word to those shots that dropped Porter and Taylor.

Broner fights in the pocket like Toney or elects to walk you down. Floyd hits you and gets out of dodge. Broner and Toney pop you, and stand there defending in hopes of getting another opening. Broner may throw some of his punches like Floyd, but the way you throw punches and how you actually box are 2 different things. His overall style is more Toney than Floyd. He don't use the ring as much as Floyd. Maybe Broner has a lil of both of them in his game, but both operate it at a higher level.

again, I did say Broner had good defense but his lack of integration is how he lost to Maidana and had a close fight with Paulie. He couldve beaten Porter by simply moving his hands more.
how am I trying to discredit Broner. I just dont see what you see in him outside of the obvious talent. what is your point really? is it that he can beat Spence? that he can somehow keep Thurman off of him?

for a few years now I have had an open wager here for anyone who thinks Broner wont get dealt wit when he faces Omaha's favorite son

the only thing elite about him is his talent...which has allowed him to pass through multiple divisions and be a top-10 fighter. he doesnt have enough beyond that to make him a ruler of any division.