"You Can Only Avoid The Truth For So Long" Brook v Spence SHOWTIME 5/27 Fight Thread

[Newzz]

again, I did say Broner had good defense but his lack of integration is how he lost to Maidana and had a close fight with Paulie. He couldve beaten Porter by simply moving his hands more.
how am I trying to discredit Broner. I just dont see what you see in him outside of the obvious talent. what is your point really? is it that he can beat Spence? that he can somehow keep Thurman off of him?

for a few years now I have had an open wager here for anyone who thinks Broner wont get dealt wit when he faces Omaha's favorite son

the only thing elite about him is his talent...which has allowed him to pass through multiple divisions and be a top-10 fighter. he doesnt have enough beyond that to make him a ruler of any division.

That Omaha boy actively looking for a non-title fights vs Julius Indougo....tell em to come holla at #AboutBillions when he really ready to face an elite JWW


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[bigbadbossup2012]

Floyd has ruined some of you cats

This is elite level prize fighting with guys standing mere inches away from each other. To hear cats try to dispel Spence cause he ate lead right hands early in the fight is embarrassing. Not everyone is gonna be an elite defensive fighter like Floyd. In his 22nd fight, he dropped 3 maybe 4 rounds before adjusting to an elite opponent, what a bum?!

He took Kell weapon away from him and walked him down. And to keep harping on a "failed punch sequence" is asinine. That same punch sequence unlocked the second half of the fight for him. It was obvious that Derrick James wanted to limit Kell counters to just one punch. Spence ducked under and raked the body. Go listen to any pre fight interview. James said Kell couldn't fight on the inside. Trying to crack the code dancing on the outside at the end of Kell jab would've been a mistake. Ducking under the counter and ending up in Kell chest was a sound plan. By the 2nd half of the fight, he made another adjustment of making Kell over extend with his jab and countered over the top. To not see the systematic breaking down of Kell from the opening bell says more about some of you guys boxing acumen than it does about Spence or any of his shortcomings.

First off if you speak on the biggest boss,go ahead and quote so i dont miss it.
aint nobody hating on spence. He did good. My post about spence was solely in response to someone saying he was waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than broner skill wise. So i decided to start pointing out bltant flaws in his brook fight. Bringing up the second half of the fight is cool but being that i only spoke ill of the first half,THAT DOESNT DISPEL ANYTHING I WAS POINTING OUT,AT ALL.
MY point was if SPence made the mistakes he made in the first half of the brooek fight,against someone whom had the same advantages over him that Maidana had over Broner,he'd probably lose that fight..
Big Spence fan though

 

[HeruDat1]

 

[Newzz]

A star is born



#TruthSeekers

 

[HeruDat1]

A star is born



#TruthSeekers

B- Spence

 

[Champ_KW]

First off if you speak on the biggest boss,go ahead and quote so i dont miss it.
aint nobody hating on spence. He did good. My post about spence was solely in response to someone saying he was waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than broner skill wise. So i decided to start pointing out bltant flaws in his brook fight. Bringing up the second half of the fight is cool but being that i only spoke ill of the first half,THAT DOESNT DISPEL ANYTHING I WAS POINTING OUT,AT ALL.
MY point was if SPence made the mistakes he made in the first half of the brooek fight,against someone whom had the same advantages over him that Maidana had over Broner,he'd probably lose that fight..
Big Spence fan though

Man, it's a world championship fight amongst two elite fighters. It's not "making the same mistake". It's called a gameplan and adjusting as the fight goes on. It took Floyd 3-4 rounds to make the adjustment to Zabs straight right hand. Ironically, he started coming forward behind a hugh guard like Spence did. Give the other guy credit. It's not a flaw in someone's game when someone actually has some sort of success against them in the early rounds. Brook is a solid counter puncher with good speed. Of course he was gonna hit Spence. It would've been a problem if Spence would've been 20 mins deep into the fight without making an adjustment. But you could clearly see the adjustment being made as early as the 3rd round.

As far as Broner goes, he's not as talented as Spence. He simply has potential. Too many mental and physical lapses in his game for you to claim he's as talented as Spence. He doesn't have a full 3 mins in him. You see the flashes and the potential, but he falls short when it comes to maximizing it.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Man, it's a world championship fight amongst two elite fighters. 1.It's not "making the same mistake". It's called a gameplan and adjusting as the fight goes on.2. It took Floyd 3-4 rounds to make the adjustment to Zabs straight right hand. Ironically, he started coming forward behind a hugh guard like Spence did. 3.Give the other guy credit. It's not a flaw in someone's game when someone actually has some sort of success against them in the early rounds. Brook is a solid counter puncher with good speed. Of course he was gonna hit Spence.4. It would've been a problem if Spence would've been 20 mins deep into the fight without making an adjustment.5. But you could clearly see the adjustment being made as early as the 3rd round.

6.As far as Broner goes, he's not as talented as Spence. He simply has potential. Too many mental and physical lapses in his game for you to claim he's as talented as Spence. He doesn't have a full 3 mins in him. You see the flashes and the potential, but he falls short when it comes to maximizing it.

1.It is making the same mistake and he was making it often
2.taking over after 3-4 rounds is not what spence did.
3.I gave him credit
4.It was past 20 mins before i start seeing a changing of the guard.
5.I wanst the least bit impressed about where spence was at in the 3rd round.
6.Like i said,if spence made the same mistakes he made in THIS fight against someone that had the same advantages over him that Maidana had over broner (ggg for example) he'd took an L.

If Broner stayed at 135,he'd still be doing nikkas bad as spence doing these welterweights

AND EVEN SPENCE KNEW HE WAS SLOPPY HIMSELF

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

again, I did say Broner had good defense but his lack of integration is how he lost to Maidana and had a close fight with Paulie. He couldve beaten Porter by simply moving his hands more.
how am I trying to discredit Broner. I just dont see what you see in him outside of the obvious talent. what is your point really? is it that he can beat Spence? that he can somehow keep Thurman off of him?

for a few years now I have had an open wager here for anyone who thinks Broner wont get dealt wit when he faces Omaha's favorite son

the only thing elite about him is his talent...which has allowed him to pass through multiple divisions and be a top-10 fighter. he doesnt have enough beyond that to make him a ruler of any division.

nikka you quoted me first.

My whole original point was Spence and Broner are both talented as hell, almost neck and neck. Its just that Spence takes his craft more seriously so he gets more out of it.

All this shyt started from somebody saying that they wished Broner had Spence's talent. It should be obvious to anyone that watches boxing that Broner doesn't need Spence's talent. He has his own talent. He just needs Spence's work ethic and focus.

 

[Champ_KW]

1.It is making the same mistake and he was making it often
2.taking over after 3-4 rounds is not what spence did.
3.I gave him credit
4.It was past 20 mins before i start seeing a changing of the guard.
5.I wanst the least bit impressed about where spence was at in the 3rd round.
6.Like i said,if spence made the same mistakes he made in THIS fight against someone that had the same advantages over him that Maidana had over broner (ggg for example) he'd took an L.

If Broner stayed at 135,he'd still be doing nikkas bad as spence doing these welterweights

AND EVEN SPENCE KNEW HE WAS SLOPPY HIMSELF

There's no point in splitting hairs over the first 3-4 rounds. Apparently, the only way to look impressive in a world championship fight to you is to outright dominate from the opening bell. God forbids the champion across the ring from you takes longer than 3-4 rounds to figure out.

And why are you still bringing up Marcos? And what advantage did he have over Broner? Are you saying Spence loses against anybody with pop? Cause Marcos isn't fast, has issues taking it to the gut, lacks defense, orthodox stance, same height, same reach etc. Broner made one mistake and that's dropping both hands to defend a hook that looked like a jab to the pit. Other than that, chalk that L up to Broner just simply getting out worked by Marcos. If you're out here selling this notion that power trumps all in the sport of boxing, then there's really nothing to discuss with you. Cause that's seriously the only "advantage" Marcos had over Broner.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

There's no point in splitting hairs over the first 3-4 rounds. Apparently, the only way to look impressive in a world championship fight to you is to outright dominate from the opening bell. God forbids the champion across the ring from you takes longer than 3-4 rounds to figure out.

And why are you still bringing up Marcos? And what advantage did he have over Broner? Are you saying Spence loses against anybody with pop? Cause Marcos isn't fast, has issues taking it to the gut, lacks defense, orthodox stance, same height, same reach etc. Broner made one mistake and that's dropping both hands to defend a hook that looked like a jab to the pit. Other than that, chalk that L up to Broner just simply getting out worked by Marcos. If you're out here selling this notion that power trumps all in the sport of boxing, then there's really nothing to discuss with you. Cause that's seriously the only "advantage" Marcos had over Broner.

Naw i'm saying if broner didnt eat himself out of 135 he'd still be owning nikkas as good as spence is now.
I'm saying if he went in and fought someone with the natural size advantage than maidana had over broner (the way he fought brook) he'd get his ass beat like broner did.
No i'm not saying power trumps all in boxing. Power was the deciding factor in this brook spence fight though. Yea he made adjustments,salute but he made alot of mistakes that he was allowed to make cause power bailed him out.
If spence jumps up two weight classes and makes the mistakes he did against brook in a fight with someone like GGG,he getting his add whipped. That's the point.
Saying this to say that nothing about his fight showed me he was of a higher skill than broner.

Honestly i'm more impressed by broner's late rallies against maidana than i am about spence winning the brook fight

 

[Newzz]

There's no point in splitting hairs over the first 3-4 rounds. Apparently, the only way to look impressive in a world championship fight to you is to outright dominate from the opening bell. God forbids the champion across the ring from you takes longer than 3-4 rounds to figure out.

And why are you still bringing up Marcos? And what advantage did he have over Broner? Are you saying Spence loses against anybody with pop? Cause Marcos isn't fast, has issues taking it to the gut, lacks defense, orthodox stance, same height, same reach etc. Broner made one mistake and that's dropping both hands to defend a hook that looked like a jab to the pit. Other than that, chalk that L up to Broner just simply getting out worked by Marcos. If you're out here selling this notion that power trumps all in the sport of boxing, then there's really nothing to discuss with you. Cause that's seriously the only "advantage" Marcos had over Broner.

Maidana had a natural size and strength advantage over Broner...thats what he's talking about.

^^^That's Broner & Maidana at their natural walk around weights. If Spence faced someone who was much larger, stronger, and more powerful...he probably wouldnt have won yesterday. That's what he's saying.

 

[Yuzo]

he basically gave away one(maybe 3rd rd) with just coming forward throwing no punches at the end...lol(don't know why he did that....guess to prove he could take kell punch)

i think spence started trying to come in with his hands up because he had ran into a lot of brook counters trying come in with a jab.

i think he was frustrated and i think he was rushing.

Good,but if I was coaching,I'd want that adjustment waaaaaay earlier.
He won ko so all is well that ends well but still.


Gifs don't dispel MY COMMENTS at all

"This boy was taking lead right hands waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often. Had brook lookling like an orthodox pac man out there.
And he was trying a failed punch sequence waaaaaaaay too often (jab jab,miss the left,end up with brook on top of his back or a counter). Not hurt eye = him going home salty (no excuse,his boxing made that eye like that). But to me for the first half Brook was seemingly in control. It was an even fight but brook seemed more comfortable and it seemed his plan was working better. I like spence and was impressed he stopped him. But i'm not sold on him being the don"

yes he was. round 7 was the round when things started to go south for brook. round 7 was the round when spence started to box. i think he knew was rushing and he needed to get more composed and every round from round 7 started to get worse and worse for brook. brook started to miss more and more and spence started to really zero in.

 

[Champ_KW]

Maidana had a natural size and strength advantage over Broner...thats what he's talking about.

^^^That's Broner & Maidana at their natural walk around weights. If Spence faced someone who was much larger, stronger, and more powerful...he probably wouldnt have won yesterday. That's what he's saying.

^^ Broner just saying that he was walking around at 183lbs. The "naturally" bigger excuse between those two is simply who can push away from the dinner table the most. I agree that Spence's seek and destroy style would be dangerous against a puncher like GGG. But that's the nature of the beast. The "mistakes" he made Saturday were mistakes he was comfortable making against the right opponent. I'm sure when he fights somebody that has too much heat being returned, he'd make an adjustment. Only time will tell tho.

 

[Newzz]

^^ Broner just saying that he was walking around at 183lbs. The "naturally" bigger excuse between those two is simply who can push away from the dinner table the most. I agree that Spence's seek and destroy style would be dangerous against a puncher like GGG. But that's the nature of the beast. The "mistakes" he made Saturday were mistakes he was comfortable making against the right opponent. I'm sure when he fights somebody that has too much heat being returned, he'd make an adjustment. Only time will tell tho.

Breh, he said he "was coming down from 183, 179..." and now is walking around at "149, 150" so he can make 140

Maidana walked around normally between fights as you just seen him with your own 2 eyes...surely you see the size disparity between them in the gif

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

^^ Broner just saying that he was walking around at 183lbs. The "naturally" bigger excuse between those two is simply who can push away from the dinner table the most. I agree that Spence's seek and destroy style would be dangerous against a puncher like GGG. But that's the nature of the beast. The "mistakes" he made Saturday were mistakes he was comfortable making against the right opponent. I'm sure when he fights somebody that has too much heat being returned, he'd make an adjustment. Only time will tell tho.

So you think he was cool with making those mistakes? Gtfoh, if so he wouldn't be talking that "b-" shyt