Yesterday price....You know the fukking rest: Chicago Bears 🐻 2023 Off-Season thread

[Deafheaven]

And my counter to that is, let’s say Caleb is that QB who’s a difference maker or puts up “prettier” stats, but we have the same type of deficiencies? At best, we become a middle of the road team that might be good enough to fight for playoff position every year, we pay Caleb because he put up franchise QB stats, but we still aren’t good enough to win anything. Essentially, he becomes Justin Herbert on a mediocre Chargers team.

That’s why I’m on the side of trading the pick and building up the roster with even more young talent and having a bunch of draft capital. This pick is worth more than even last year‘s. Were in position to improve drastically next year if we draft MHJ, a top O-lineman, and then we might even get another proven star player, as well as more first round picks (plural) since so many teams are desperate for a QB. If by any chance Fields doesn’t become that dude when his rookie contract is up, don't worry. There will be another “can’t miss” QB in a few years anyway, but we have a full team.

I mean this can make sense but if Im Poles and want to secure my own job you can't pass on a QB twice if you have the number one pick.

Like I said. If Caleb comes in replicates Justin 200 yards a game that would probably be the floor It really isn't hard to replicate his production because Getsy is retarded and didn't build an offense that would take advantage of the fact hes the best athlete on the field. It is what it is at this point and its not really an interesting thing to talk about any more because whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen. Team will be fine in time as long as they jettison the coaching staff to the moon. Fields would have Atlanta top of that division pretty easily imo.

 

[Po pimp]

I mean this can make sense but if Im Poles and want to secure my own job you can't pass on a QB twice if you have the number one pick.

Like I said. If Caleb comes in replicates Justin 200 yards a game that would probably be the floor It really isn't hard to replicate his production because Getsy is retarded and didn't build an offense that would take advantage of the fact hes the best athlete on the field. It is what it is at this point and its not really an interesting thing to talk about any more because whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen. Team will be fine in time as long as they jettison the coaching staff to the moon. Fields would have Atlanta top of that division pretty easily imo.

And that’s the issue because it’s hard for Justin to get 200 yards a game when up until this season, he only has maybe 4 games where he got to attempt 30+ passes. Also, not a lot of downfield plays for this offense. A new coach will come in and likely change the game plan to a vertical attack, and if Williams had multiple games with 300 yards, along with 2 interceptions, people will be satisfied and say “see, Fields couldn’t do that!”

I’ve seen idiots on Facebook say Justin can’t throw the ball downfield when that’s literally his best passing attribute.

 

[Deafheaven]

And that’s the issue because it’s hard for Justin to get 200 yards a game when up until this season, he only has maybe 4 games where he got to attempt 30+ passes. Also, not a lot of downfield plays for this offense. A new coach will come in and likely change the game plan to a vertical attack, and if Williams had multiple games with 300 yards, along with 2 interceptions, people will be satisfied and say “see, Fields couldn’t do that!”

I’ve seen idiots on Facebook say Justin can’t throw the ball downfield when that’s literally his best passing attribute.

I don't think anyone would really be too pressed if we employed some type of fukk it go long offense because at least you'd be playing into ur qb strengths. TBF Willians/Maye really do need to be elite cuz the trade down from one would be insane.


I think Flus really lost the locker room this time lol

 

[I AM WARHOL]

You're right.

I think what we've learned about Fields is the difference between good and great. If he was great, despite the dysfunction, bad play calling, bad Wrs outside of Moore...they'd still win games.

Fields can probably be really good on a really good team. However, as of now he cant make up mistakes or overcome team mistakes.
I made the Lamar comparison, but thats the difference. Lamar is far more twitchy (mentally and somewhat physically) and it saves a couple plays to win games.

It might be best for both parties to split. Cause at this point it might be best for the BEARS to gamble on a QB that overcome the teams issues.

Eh I don’t fully agree with this. I think it depends on when the player is exposed to dysfunction. I don’t think there’s a single player in NFL history that can overcome high levels of dysfunction early on. I think players can learn to become so great they can overcome poor coaching/ poor playcalling/ Bad cast (Mahomes now, Brady tail end with Pats) but I don’t think any of them become great having to deal with that at the start of there careers. Either the QB breaks like Luck/ RG3 or the team gives up on them early and they never get a chance again. That’s why it was pivotal for the Jags to get rid of Urban after one year. Another year would’ve ruined Trevor. Bryce young is in a similar boat. Mahomes is not Mahomes if he gets drafted to Chicago and doesn’t get to team up with Andy Reid and learn behind Alex Smith. Brady is not Brady if he doesn’t get to sit behind Bledsoe and team up with Beli. Aaron Rodgers isn’t Rodgers if he doesn’t get to learn behind Brett for 3 years. That’s why situation is pivotal when it comes to QB success early on. No young QB is surviving multiple years of extremely dysfunctional circumstances early in their career. They can have every tool in the tool shed, every analyst can call them the most generational talent ever. If they come into a situation with poor coaching, poor playcalling, little to no weapons, and a shaky line, they will fail. You need a couple of elite years under your belt before you can cover up the type of warts you’re talking about. And then even for the super elite that starts to wain with age.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Caleb should be walking into a better situation if:
1. the bears use their pick to draft another difference maker at WR like Nabers. Another weapon outside of Moore would improve the offense even if Fields was there. Getting another weapon for Caleb should be tantamount if they go that route.

2. Firing Getsy and Flus is a must tho. Flus has shown he has a good defensive mind but he shouldn’t be a head coach. Could probably be a great coordinator tho but head coach is culture more than anything. The bears have a culture of losing. That’s the only way to rationalize how they’ve lost some of these 4th quarters. It’s like how CP3 is bound to have some insane lose in the playoffs. Some dudes are just losers. No disrespect but until he gets right, that’s what’s gonna happen. It’s mental and it’s deep seated in the bears. Gotta get Harbaugh. Getsy goes without saying. His offense is a joke after he goes through his scripted plays. Can’t adjust. Refuses to play to his player’s strengths. If they keep him there’s a chance Caleb’s skillset fits what he wants more than Justin’s but I still wouldn’t trust his ability to adjust late games once opposing defenses figure something out

 

[Deafheaven]

Caleb should be walking into a better situation if:
1. the bears use their pick to draft another difference maker at WR like Nabers. Another weapon outside of Moore would improve the offense even if Fields was there. Getting another weapon for Caleb should be tantamount if they go that route.

2. Firing Getsy and Flus is a must tho. Flus has shown he has a good defensive mind but he shouldn’t be a head coach. Could probably be a great coordinator tho but head coach is culture more than anything. The bears have a culture of losing. That’s the only way to rationalize how they’ve lost some of these 4th quarters. It’s like how CP3 is bound to have some insane lose in the playoffs. Some dudes are just losers. No disrespect but until he gets right, that’s what’s gonna happen. It’s mental and it’s deep seated in the bears. Gotta get Harbaugh. Getsy goes without saying. His offense is a joke after he goes through his scripted plays. Can’t adjust. Refuses to play to his player’s strengths. If they keep him there’s a chance Caleb’s skillset fits what he wants more than Justin’s but I still wouldn’t trust his ability to adjust late games once opposing defenses figure something out

I don't even think you need Harbaugh. Even just basic competency/situational awareness would be vast improvements over flus.

Any good DC can take this defense and have it playing well imo. Its low key studs at all levels now and will only get better.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

I don't even think you need Harbaugh. Even just basic competency/situational awareness would be vast improvements over flus.

Any good DC can take this defense and have it playing well imo. It’s low key studs at all levels now and will only get better.

Jim would be a slam dunk tho. Jim would have Fields playing at pro bowl level ( old pro bowl not this new age BS). If you move onto Caleb, I’m not sure if there’s a better, more proven QB friendly coach in the sport than Jim. Would be a perfect coach for a new QB

 

[I AM WARHOL]

https://x.com/sheanorling/status/1736606302434906514?s=46

 

[prime]

This is beautiful I don’t fukk with 670 the score like that but Lawrence Holmes is putting the blame at getsy and not fields and is getting at Dan wiederer for trying to put the majority of the blame on fields I want to call espn 1000 and get at j hood for doing the same thing but he just cuts people off who disagree with him

 

[Brozay]

This is beautiful I don’t fukk with 670 the score like that but Lawrence Holmes is putting the blame at getsy and not fields and is getting at Dan wiederer for trying to put the majority of the blame on fields I want to call espn 1000 and get at j hood for doing the same thing but he just cuts people off who disagree with him

I was listening to this, it was getting real awkward between Dan/Loho & Wiederer

I would note though, its one more beat writer close to the team that thinks coaching staff & Justin are all out after the season (I still think this is the likely outcome)

 

[Deafheaven]

I was listening to this, it was getting real awkward between Dan/Loho & Wiederer

I would note though, its one more beat writer close to the team that thinks coaching staff & Justin are all out after the season (I still think this is the likely outcome)

I mean i would imagine this is still dependent on actually having number one. Cant see them taking Maye with the top pick

Would legit toss in my fan card on that one

 

[prime]

I was listening to this, it was getting real awkward between Dan/Loho & Wiederer

I would note though, its one more beat writer close to the team that thinks coaching staff & Justin are all out after the season (I still think this is the likely outcome)

I think that’s what’s going to happen Caleb willliams will be the QB next season and ben Johnson will be the head coach

 

[prime]

I mean i would imagine this is still dependent on actually having number one. Cant see them taking Maye with the top pick

Would legit toss in my fan card on that one

Man if the bears draft maye im legit done with the team

 

[Deafheaven]

Man if the bears draft maye im legit done with the team

Unless the are a perennial god tier team yup. I would be fairweather asf.

 

[Brozay]

I mean i would imagine this is still dependent on actually having number one. Cant see them taking Maye with the top pick

Would legit toss in my fan card on that one

yup agreed there - if they were to fall to #2, I think it becomes much more likely Fields stays, we either take MHJ or trade down for more assets

I would love MHJ, but trading down from #2 would probably be the wise move still