Yesterday price....You know the fukking rest: Chicago Bears 🐻 2023 Off-Season thread

[Po pimp]

You're right.

I think what we've learned about Fields is the difference between good and great. If he was great, despite the dysfunction, bad play calling, bad Wrs outside of Moore...they'd still win games.

Fields can probably be really good on a really good team. However, as of now he cant make up mistakes or overcome team mistakes.
I made the Lamar comparison, but thats the difference. Lamar is far more twitchy (mentally and somewhat physically) and it saves a couple plays to win games.

It might be best for both parties to split. Cause at this point it might be best for the BEARS to gamble on a QB that overcome the teams issues.

What other QBs can overcome that type of dysfunction though? Lamar and Mahomes? It’s not a very long list.

 

[prime]

What other QBs can overcome that type of dysfunction though? Lamar and Mahomes? It’s not a very long list.

And like I said mahomes doesn’t look the same since Nagy took over for bieniemy

 

[prime]

Can wait to watch the all 22

 

[Po pimp]

And like I said mahomes doesn’t look the same since Nagy took over for bieniemy

I originally typed “maybe Mahomes,” but deleted it because I was giving Mahomes the benefit of the doubt for being considered the best QB

 

[prime]

I originally typed “maybe Mahomes,” but deleted it because I was giving Mahomes the benefit of the doubt for being considered the best QB

I been watching football since 94 but understood the game since 2003 and I can’t remember a QB that over came bad coaching

 

[Po pimp]

I been watching football since 94 but understood the game since 2003 and I can’t remember a QB that over came bad coaching

One thing all successful QBs have in common are a combination of multiple weapons (or at least continuity with them), good coaching, and a great offensive line. Some QBs just suck because they’ll have at least two of the following and can’t get it done. Fields has one year so far of DJ Moore and an emerging Kmet.

 

[prime]

 

[Brozay]

I wouldn’t say it’s a lack of effort but more so ability. That’s why @Dr. Narcisse said if he did nothing, it was a first down. Mooney is a small receiver. He’s incapable of making that block. He‘s listed at 5’11” and 173lbs, and might be smaller than that. Why was he even on the field to make that block?

also true

 

[Brozay]

I'm pointing to the 4th Q defensive coaching/callin/whatever. There's yesterday and many more games to look at with this same problem. Yesterday was super egregious since Flacco made nearly everything positive obsolete in 3 short 2.5 minute drives. How amazing the defense was spun into a loss because the coach decided to roll loose - again. ToP for the 4th wasn't lopsided either. Flacco had 200 yards in that Q alone, more than all other quarters combined.

I see no problem in calling out Flus' 4th Q defense that gets outscored nearly 50-7 or whatever it is and loses leads.

I am not absolving the offense as much as saying they over performed. They should have been shredded but kept it in order enough to hold a lead going into Q4. This was way more than expected going into the 4th. Again, I believe stats wise they had a better game on both sides of the ball until the 4th.

the offense was an abomination yesterday on so many levels - I put most of the blame here on coaching/gameplanning

here's what they did in the drives leading up to Amari Cooper's game-tying touchdown with 3:08 remaining - if they can just sustain a few drives we win that game

-- 3 plays, -4 yards (Punt)
-- 9 plays, 47 yards (FG)
-- 3 plays, -9 yards (Punt)
-- 7 plays, 32 yards (Turnover on downs)
-- 3 plays, 6 yards (Punt)
-- 6 plays, 14 yards (Punt)

did they even even have a drive go into the redzone yesterday?

 

[hcobbland84]

Clean house, bring back Lovie as head
coach (they’ve had 2 winning seasons since they fired him 10 years ago)

Jim Caldwell as OC (he actually had a detailed plan of the offense he wanted to install for Justin Fields when he interviewed for the head coaching job 2 years ago)

Pep Hamilton QB coach (he’s gotten results with every QB he’s worked with)

Leslie Frazier DC

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

What other QBs can overcome that type of dysfunction though? Lamar and Mahomes? It’s not a very long list.

And like I said mahomes doesn’t look the same since Nagy took over for bieniemy

I hear yall brehs. And if this was any other year you fire Flus/Getsy and give it another shot with a better coaching staff.

The issue is POTENTIALLY Caleb is that kind of difference maker. You almost have to draft him even if he doesnt live up to the hype. Because if he becomes one of those guys you'll never hear the end of it. And its possible all this losing/dysfunction has started to break Justin.

In a better world Dalton plays the entire year for Fields rookie year. And you hire Bieniemy two years ago instead. Then we'd truly know if Fields isnt the guy or not.

We dont know if Caleb can 100% overcome it. However, there is a chance. These crazy ass losses are going to weigh on Fields eventually/until a better plan is put in place.

 

[chiefdogg]

Clean house, bring back Lovie as head
coach (they’ve had 2 winning seasons since they fired him 10 years ago)

Jim Caldwell as OC (he actually had a detailed plan of the offense he wanted to install for Justin Fields when he interviewed for the head coaching job 2 years ago)

Pep Hamilton QB coach (he’s gotten results with every QB he’s worked with)

Leslie Frazier DC

How old are you G? Joking, but I would want a younger coach who can come in and relate to the younger players I.E. Miami's coach and coaching staff.

 

[Deafheaven]

naw breh what is this

Just run a sneak and if you don't get it tip your hat to the other team all this cute shyt getsy does for one yard is terrible.

 

[Po pimp]

I hear yall brehs. And if this was any other year you fire Flus/Getsy and give it another shot with a better coaching staff.

The issue is POTENTIALLY Caleb is that kind of difference maker. You almost have to draft him even if he doesnt live up to the hype. Because if he becomes one of those guys you'll never hear the end of it. And its possible all this losing/dysfunction has started to break Justin.

In a better world Dalton plays the entire year for Fields rookie year. And you hire Bieniemy two years ago instead. Then we'd truly know if Fields isnt the guy or not.

We dont know if Caleb can 100% overcome it. However, there is a chance. These crazy ass losses are going to weigh on Fields eventually/until a better plan is put in place.

And my counter to that is, let’s say Caleb is that QB who’s a difference maker or puts up “prettier” stats, but we have the same type of deficiencies? At best, we become a middle of the road team that might be good enough to fight for playoff position every year, we pay Caleb because he put up franchise QB stats, but we still aren’t good enough to win anything. Essentially, he becomes Justin Herbert on a mediocre Chargers team.

That’s why I’m on the side of trading the pick and building up the roster with even more young talent and having a bunch of draft capital. This pick is worth more than even last year‘s. Were in position to improve drastically next year if we draft MHJ, a top O-lineman, and then we might even get another proven star player, as well as more first round picks (plural) since so many teams are desperate for a QB. If by any chance Fields doesn’t become that dude when his rookie contract is up, don't worry. There will be another “can’t miss” QB in a few years anyway, but we have a full team.

 

[Rice N Beans]

the offense was an abomination yesterday on so many levels - I put most of the blame here on coaching/gameplanning

here's what they did in the drives leading up to Amari Cooper's game-tying touchdown with 3:08 remaining - if they can just sustain a few drives we win that game

-- 3 plays, -4 yards (Punt)
-- 9 plays, 47 yards (FG)
-- 3 plays, -9 yards (Punt)
-- 7 plays, 32 yards (Turnover on downs)
-- 3 plays, 6 yards (Punt)
-- 6 plays, 14 yards (Punt)

did they even even have a drive go into the redzone yesterday?

The offense is and will continue to be bad with Getsy's playbook coloring book, but who realistically expected any better than yesterday against the Browns D? In my eyes, they overachieved being better against the Browns D than the Browns against the Bears D the first 3 quarters.


Hilariously, the Browns were no better in the drives leading up to the 4th quarter (arguably worse?) and had less cumulative yards until the 4th. Bears advanced and were able to at least net points with a FG. Browns had their offensively worst quarter in the 3rd and Bears their best defensively.


We can all agree on coaching as the root problem, but with regards to yesterday's collapse I place it squarely on Flus's down the stretch loose play as initially stated. Even with Getsy's ineptitude, the game was nearly a lock until 4Q Flus decided it was time for mercy for some fukking reason and let Flacco loose. Flus gave it away mismanaging the defense in the 4th - AGAIN. ToP for that quarter really highlights the stupidity of it all.


If Flus ever idealizes defensive consistency to the end of game then we could have won yesterday and more in spite of the World Class Offense Barnum Bros would be jealous of. And yes, I agree, the offense is bad, was bad yesterday, and will be bad next week. The D was amazing, they need to do it all 4 quarters.


Flus abandoning that momentum off the best quarter for the D, to eventually:

- Allow a 200 yd quarter
- On three, two and a half minute drives
- That enabled a rally comeback AND a game winning drive

overshadows anything else positive or negative for me. Inexcusable management of the D down the stretch.

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BTW much better talking ball here than Twitter/Reddit You guys actually don't post shytty one liners