Diplomatic Immunity.
Wu Tang Forever was the beginning of the end.
- Thread starter Ethnic Vagina Finder
- Start date
1986
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Nah, Forever was their last great group effort. The W is cool but not great, Iron Flag as well. The last 2 albums are forgettable.
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
Wu-Tang Forever is hands down the most anticipated album of all-time. That album was so monumental. Did the album with literally no non-Wu affiliated rappers or producers. It was the very end of the greatest 5 year run in Hip-Hop history by any group which produced countless classic albums either solo or Wu-Tang Clan. They stuck to their formula on Wu-Tang Forever and their smash single Triumph was a track with no hook and just straight bars! Enough cannot be said about this. RZA broke the mold with that beat and it was his absolute zenith. Nothing was ever going to be the same after that as his 5 year plan was finished. What a fukking run 
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
RZA said that the vision was lost when they started putting Forever together.
And I remember at the time, feeling the exact same way about it. He said the group wasn't as united by the time they worked on Forever, so there were creative differences left and right. They definitely lost the "feeling" they had on the first album, which is why I wasn't into it as much as the debut. It wasn't raw enough for me, and there was mad filler on there. This is when they started falling off as a group. The solo albums were way more reliable.
And I remember at the time, feeling the exact same way about it. He said the group wasn't as united by the time they worked on Forever, so there were creative differences left and right. They definitely lost the "feeling" they had on the first album, which is why I wasn't into it as much as the debut. It wasn't raw enough for me, and there was mad filler on there. This is when they started falling off as a group. The solo albums were way more reliable.
Think that could be said about the first disc too. Too much filter. It just seemed like a forced album. Dont think wu forever was supposed to be the end product. Its that the label was pressuring them to match their success in that one moment. They should have let all the members release their solos first THEN put out the group project. Let the success of the other members solos bounce off of each other. Nobody would have had a wack album. They fukked up when they didnt let everyone put out a solo before the second group project. Guarantee whatever the second album would have their record would have been different.
and the rza stated (in the source) that lyrically it wasnt a as powerful as he wanted it to be..MC's were lazy..(he didint mention names).
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
I remember that.
He said getting rich changed the level of hunger in some of them. Success definitely changes artists. Forever was so highly anticipated too, so they were on top of the world. It's easy to see how some of them could've gotten a little lazy.
Trot LaRoc
Superstar
Wu Forever was better imo....has held up way better. Lot of em stepped their games up lyric as lily esp Meth and Ghost.
It just had 4-5 too many songs bc at that time ppl wanted double albums to get more $
It just had 4-5 too many songs bc at that time ppl wanted double albums to get more $
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
Don’t get me wrong it was still a dope album the rhymes were better then 36 chambers and maybe the beats were from a technical aspect but I prefer the raw sound from 36 then the polished beats on forever
As far as disappointing the most disappointing album ever was Tical.
It was one of the most anticipated albums ever and it was a mediocre album at best
It’s almost unfathomable that a young hungry Meth and RZA would make a bad album at that time
As far as disappointing the most disappointing album ever was Tical.
It was one of the most anticipated albums ever and it was a mediocre album at best
It’s almost unfathomable that a young hungry Meth and RZA would make a bad album at that time
Thank you. Very little filler on Wu Forever. nikkas buggin.
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
Some revisionist history going on here. Wu-Tang Forever was a monumental album. So many great great songs with so many crazy verses. The album being a double disc did have a couple throwaways like Dog shyt & Black Shampoo but for the most part the album still had a raw feel and it definitely felt like a Wu-Tang album front to back. They expanded their range by doing some tracks that touched on deeper thoughts like Impossible, A Better Tomorrow, It’s Yourz, Little Ghetto Boys. RZA was trying to expand the Wu-Tang sound and was going for a futuristic rendition of what was deemed hard in 1997. You could feel it. He was producing songs that never sounded like anything you ever heard. Songs like Triumph & Reunited are crazy. For Heavens Sake was crazy. The Projects, Heaterz & MGM. And the way everybody was spitting it was going over a lot of peoples heads. It was next level in their approach. I do think it was harder to keep them close knit after so much success but they formed together like Voltron one last time on Forever. It did all fall apart after that album tho because RZA’s 5 year plan was finished and also they reached such rock n roll status after Forever that it was destined to affect them as a group of 9 members.