Wu-Tang Clan Docuseries ‘Of Mics and Men on Showtime(Available on Demand)

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ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA said:
again proving your cacness and nothing to do with the what's going on..
#there's plenty of homo god body's..unbfortunately they went through that in the bing,,ya heard me?

BTW WHY DID YOU NOT QUESTION ME AND REPLY TO MY point?

YOU ARE A FRAUD BABY..but i give you 1 point..you never did claim street or godbody or gang etc..so go ahead ..you are a typical wu tang corp fan.
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So sassy :wrist:

Still doesn't change the fact that alot of 5 percenters were diehard street nikkas, involved in street shyt.
 
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Maybe Im ignorant for not taking them being street dudes who dont wanna learn shyt.

I mean, if a dude dont wanna learn. Ok. But you cant complain about shyt when you dont wanna figure out how its suppose to work.

I dont think Divine was doing anything wrong, I was trying to figure out why they where getting mad he was getting his cut..oh these niccas is dum dums to the industry if you aint know a manager gets 20%.

Yet, I would had thought RZA would had gave lessons on this, so they could have SOME form of understanding.
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It's not like they didn't try to teach them, it's moreso they didn't care. They tried to tell them numerous times of how to get be prosperous under the flag, but these dudes not showing up to tour dates, in-stores, video shoots, press runs, then would get mad about the end results. Hell, they only had to pay like 20-25% to Wu-Tang, and that was so that everyone could eat off the W. But dudes got mad they had to share their solo ventures money. That's fine, but then don't go getting mad when someone makes money off the W that you decided you didn't want to be under.
 
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nieman said:
It's not like they didn't try to teach them, it's moreso they didn't care. They tried to tell them numerous times of how to get be prosperous under the flag, but these dudes not showing up to tour dates, in-stores, video shoots, press runs, then would get mad about the end results. Hell, they only had to pay like 20-25% to Wu-Tang, and that was so that everyone could eat off the W. But dudes got mad they had to share their solo ventures money. That's fine, but then don't go getting mad when someone makes money off the W that you decided you didn't want to be under.
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I see the truth being somewhere in the middle. The Wu members were definitely ignorant to how the industry worked and didn't seem to put in the work to learn. On the flip side I think Rza and Divine definitely took advantage. There has to be a reason numerous members have sued and won money in the courts. Rza says he just let them out of the contracts but others say they had to sue to get off. I would like to know when exactly they were let out of their contracts. Cause if it was after the Clan had cooled off then it's a smart business move (instead of a good faith maneuver as painted) to let them out of the contract in exchange for getting full rights to the clan now as the Wu-Tang Clan brand was way stronger than the individual members at a certain point.

Also was Divine, Rza and Power getting salaries or extra money out of the group pot. Cause if Divine is getting 20 off top and then dipping into the group pot as well that would be double dipping. And while Ghost sounded foolish saying he wanted his own cut to me it did seem weird that they pushed the whole family aspect, except for Divine who would get treated as an actual manager and taking his 20 off top. I know that's industry standard but as a member if I'm giving up part of earnings to a big group pot then I'm going to feel some type of way of somebody who's with us from the start getting to take his separate and ignore the whole group mentality.
 
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I see the truth being somewhere in the middle. The Wu members were definitely ignorant to how the industry worked and didn't seem to put in the work to learn. On the flip side I think Rza and Divine definitely took advantage. There has to be a reason numerous members have sued and won money in the courts. Rza says he just let them out of the contracts but others say they had to sue to get off. I would like to know when exactly they were let out of their contracts. Cause if it was after the Clan had cooled off then it's a smart business move (instead of a good faith maneuver as painted) to let them out of the contract in exchange for getting full rights to the clan now as the Wu-Tang Clan brand was way stronger than the individual members at a certain point.

Also was Divine, Rza and Power getting salaries or extra money out of the group pot. Cause if Divine is getting 20 off top and then dipping into the group pot as well that would be double dipping. And while Ghost sounded foolish saying he wanted his own cut to me it did seem weird that they pushed the whole family aspect, except for Divine who would get treated as an actual manager and taking his 20 off top. I know that's industry standard but as a member if I'm giving up part of earnings to a big group pot then I'm going to feel some type of way of somebody who's with us from the start getting to take his separate and ignore the whole group mentality.
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RZA let them out of the contract...Divine didn't want to. It was RZA that had to convince Divine, cause no matter what, Divine is the CEO. They didn't have to sue to get out of the contract, they had to get their lawyers involved because of the paperwork. But I guarantee, Divine held it off for as long as he could. Rae more than likely left first, and before Immobilarity. His tirade started then, but he's always stated he was never robbed for money. Ghost's real beef with Divine came with the Mike Caruso situation. He ended up becoming Ghost's manager, but Divine was like "I'm not fukkin with him because he's such n such."

I think Divine got his normal salary, and his commission for brokering deals, but didn't get paid out of the Wu pot. The arguments always made it seem like he got paid off of whatever they got, but they didn't like it because he wasn't an artist. Things like St Ides, Meth's initial Adidas, the video game, comics etc...he got paid off. I think Meth was off Wu-Tang by then, because he didn't like the video game at all. And they NEVER say anything about Power gettin a cut. So that's why I believe it was only commission off brokering deals, and not the Wu-pot. My thing is that you can't have it both ways. You can't no longer want to be a part of something on paper, but then want the paper. That "W" was always in high demand, always iconic, so you really didn't think it was here to stay? You really couldn't see the future with that logo? Mind you, they had endorsements prior to them leaving.

From their perspective, when they are hot, why would they want to pay dues and have other eat off of them? That was an argument in the Wu-Tang Revealed doc. But RZA was always long term in the thinking, and never wanted them to leave for the long term benefits. Hell, RZA paid Rae like 300K out of his own pocket, just for Rae to be on A Better Tomorrow.

Only Ghost has sued and won, and that case was still was some BS. U-God done sued like 3x, and hasn't won anything yet.
 
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threattonature said:
I see the truth being somewhere in the middle. The Wu members were definitely ignorant to how the industry worked and didn't seem to put in the work to learn. On the flip side I think Rza and Divine definitely took advantage. There has to be a reason numerous members have sued and won money in the courts. Rza says he just let them out of the contracts but others say they had to sue to get off. I would like to know when exactly they were let out of their contracts. Cause if it was after the Clan had cooled off then it's a smart business move (instead of a good faith maneuver as painted) to let them out of the contract in exchange for getting full rights to the clan now as the Wu-Tang Clan brand was way stronger than the individual members at a certain point.

Also was Divine, Rza and Power getting salaries or extra money out of the group pot. Cause if Divine is getting 20 off top and then dipping into the group pot as well that would be double dipping. And while Ghost sounded foolish saying he wanted his own cut to me it did seem weird that they pushed the whole family aspect, except for Divine who would get treated as an actual manager and taking his 20 off top. I know that's industry standard but as a member if I'm giving up part of earnings to a big group pot then I'm going to feel some type of way of somebody who's with us from the start getting to take his separate and ignore the whole group mentality.
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Inaccurate. None of them sued to get out of their contracts and the only one that sued for money owed was Ghostface.

Again...common sense would tell you RZA wasn't doing them dirty. There's no way in hell the members believe that and continue to work with him.
 
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Majestyx said:
The Divine shyt annoyed me. Without Divine doing shyt in the background them dudes wouldn't have been eating like they were. So man's can't get a small percentage? He posted to do all that shyt then give all the guap, then run back to them to get some kinda of handout :snoop: I woulda did the same shyt. Would went and kicked it on my boat and not talked to non of them nikkas.

And the Cap situation was maaaad awkward. :to:
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Yeah exactly, he was an early investor, he supposed to eat
 
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UserNameless said:
Ep. 2


ODB’s wife allegiance to the lessons he taught and he she valued him and how he gave her an identity via the Nation of the G&Es.

Also... low key , how a number of Shaolin street niccas influenced the business and the lyrics ... the Raider Ruckus mention about the hooks was real ...


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Still dunno why Pop Wu hasn’t been highlighted .
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Bro that shyt made cringe a little bit

A woman happily recalled being locked in the bathroom against her will :gucci:
 
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