ig88
Bounty Hunter
Ohhhh. Thatttts what ya doing...
Know when i argue with him you aint that far behind ready to fight for yo man. I dont remember when it started with you and I remind me?
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Wu-Tang Clan Docuseries ‘Of Mics and Men on Showtime(Available on Demand)
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Ohhhh. Thatttts what ya doing...
Know when i argue with him you aint that far behind ready to fight for yo man. I dont remember when it started with you and I remind me?
Child, 2, Becomes Victim in New York 'War Zone'
JUDIE GLAVEASSOCIATED PRESS
On the first warm day after a long, snow-filled winter, Tonya Muldrow thought her 2-year-old son deserved some fresh air. She watched as he walked down the block, hand-in-hand with a teen-age friend.
"You know, I didn't want him to go," she said, crying softly. "A family friend, Anisha, said she was taking him to a birthday party, but a part of me said, 'Tell her no.' But he had been inside so long. . . . "
Anisha never went to the party. She took Dontae to the Stapleton housing project, about a half-mile from his home. They were "just hanging out" when the pop-pop-pop of gunfire punctuated the Staten Island afternoon.
A long-simmering dispute over a girl and a gun had detonated. Authorities say four men exchanged shots; Dontae Hawkins was caught in the cross-fire, transformed in an instant from innocent child to innocent victim.
The memories burn in Tonya's mind:
* The phone call from Anisha. "There's been a shooting," she said.
* Anisha sitting in the hospital waiting room, covered with Dontae's blood.
* Dontae lying on the adult-size hospital gurney, just out of surgery, looking drained and lifeless.
Weeks later, the little boy's hospital room is crowded with cheerful balloons and rows of stuffed animals from well-wishers. Barney is there; Big Bird and Mickey too. A red fire truck is nestled at the foot of the metal crib.
But Dontae has little interest in any of them.
"Owwwwwww!" he cried, his head tossing fitfully from side to side. "It hurts! It hurts!"
Doctors have taken him off pain killers and the throbbing that is part of the healing process has taken over.
Doctors say a single bullet tore through the 2-year-old's right hand and traveled diagonally through his tiny body, exiting on his left side.
He lost a kidney, and emergency surgery saved a badly damaged pancreas and spleen. But the worst news came several days after the March 13 shooting: The bullet had severed nerves in the child's lower spinal cord.
The curly-haired toddler has regained feeling in his right leg but has little use of the left. Some permanent paralysis is certain, said Dr. Oded Preis, head of pediatric intensive care at Staten Island University Hospital.
At best, Dontae will walk again with the use of a leg brace or a walker. At worst, he'll need a wheelchair.
"What hurts, Boopie? Tell me what hurts," his mother said.
"My body," the little boy replied, his eyes squeezed tightly closed.
*
To a generation of inner-city children, the report of gunfire is as familiar as the hum of a refrigerator.
In New York City, the shooting of children is literally a daily occurrence. Last year, 449 children under age 16 were shot--19 fatally, according to police statistics. Eighty-nine child victims were innocent bystanders like Dontae, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is exaggerating just the slightest bit to say these children are growing up in a war zone. The day after Dontae was shot, Tonya went home to shower and change clothes. She heard the gunshots again. An 18-year-old had been killed in what was said to be a drug dispute.
"I knew him," she said. "And now there's talk all over the buildings about what his brother's gonna do to get even. It never ends."
Nine days later in the Bronx, a 19-year-old was accidentally shot to death in a dispute between two boys over a softball game.
Four days later, a Brooklyn girl was caught in the cross-fire of feuding crack dealers--shot fatally through the heart while sitting on a project stoop.
Tonya Muldrow lived with the fear her son might meet the same fate.
"I thought it might happen when he got older, when I didn't have as much control over him," she said. "Not when he's 2, not when he's just a baby."
But even before his third birthday, the boy knew all about gunfire. His mother had taught him how to respond when the popping noises started outside.
"When we hear the gunshots starting--Dontae thinks they're firecrackers--we go to this wall in my house and sit down," Tonya said. "He sits there quietly and we wait until they stop."
*
Tonya, 23, is a welfare mother; Dontae is her only child. She has lived in the Park Hill projects since she was 11.
Park Hill is a typical inner-city project: Crowded, dirty and dangerous, even in daylight. Illegal guns and drugs are a constant.
"It was OK for me. I was used to the gunshots, the drugs," she whispered, holding her son's bandaged little hand. "I didn't want to live like that. But I was used to it."
Dontae's father, Lamar Hawkins, 23, is another child of the projects. He's an aspiring rapper whose group, the Wu-Tang Clan, is enjoying early success. His presence in Dontae's life is sporadic.
"He's on the road a lot," Tonya said. "You know, trying to make it."
Tonya once tried to make it too. She went to a city-run college on Staten Island--her tuition was free--and studied computer science. She knew education was the key to getting out.
Instead, she got pregnant and dropped out. When her son arrived in October, 1991, Tonya created a timetable for getting her life back on track: she would wait until Dontae was 2 1/2 and old enough for day care.
He will reach that milestone this month in a hospital bed.
"I planned to get a temp's job and go back to school nights, weekends, whatever it took. I had a plan," she said, brushing away tears. "Now, I have to get a new one."
*
These days, a parade of doctors, nurses and interns march in and out of Dontae Hawkins' life. "He's actually real tired of all the attention and just wants to go home," Tonya said.
Doctors say that day is weeks, maybe months, away.
Dontae understands what happened to him. "The little boy got shot," he told his grandmother, Deborah Muldrow. "The bad boys. They shot me."
He doesn't understand why he can't move.
"He's used to being hyper," his mother said, flashing a quick smile as she remembered a child in constant motion.
"The other day, I think, was the first time it hit him that something was wrong," she said. "He tried to get up from the bed and yelled, 'I'm stuck. Help me, I'm stuck.' "
Tonya's days are interminable. She sleeps sporadically on a blue plastic lounge chair next to her son's hospital crib. The room is strewn with newspapers, magazines, empty pizza boxes.
She goes home only to shower and change. Her mother or 18-year-old sister, Tamika, fill in when she leaves.
The child, with skin the color of fine milk chocolate and long, curly eyelashes, sleeps erratically but even then cries out in pain.
Tonya struggles to contain her anger at the young men who caused this. All four, ranging in age from 18 to 23, have been charged with attempted murder.
"I'd like to ask them, 'How could you be so stupid? What were you thinking?' " she said. "But I already know what they would say. They'd say, 'The people should know what to do--get down.' But my boy, he's a baby."
She knows one of the four: "I used to do his mother's hair. . . . She's not a bad mother and he's not a bad kid. He just fell in with the wrong crowd.
"You see, where I live, that's what it's all about. Proving yourself. If you don't do it (own a gun), you're a punk, a sucker. It makes them feel, I don't know, like a man.
"That's why I have to get out (of the projects). I don't want him to grow and be like the guys who shot him."
She hopes for a new, safer place to live, "maybe even something with a back yard." Together, she and her mother have enough money to rent an apartment in a private house. Now, they have to find someone who will rent to them--no easy task.
"It's not because we're black. It's because we come from Park Hill," she said. "People see that and are afraid. I can't really blame them."
Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region
JUDIE GLAVEASSOCIATED PRESS
On the first warm day after a long, snow-filled winter, Tonya Muldrow thought her 2-year-old son deserved some fresh air. She watched as he walked down the block, hand-in-hand with a teen-age friend.
"You know, I didn't want him to go," she said, crying softly. "A family friend, Anisha, said she was taking him to a birthday party, but a part of me said, 'Tell her no.' But he had been inside so long. . . . "
Anisha never went to the party. She took Dontae to the Stapleton housing project, about a half-mile from his home. They were "just hanging out" when the pop-pop-pop of gunfire punctuated the Staten Island afternoon.
A long-simmering dispute over a girl and a gun had detonated. Authorities say four men exchanged shots; Dontae Hawkins was caught in the cross-fire, transformed in an instant from innocent child to innocent victim.
The memories burn in Tonya's mind:
* The phone call from Anisha. "There's been a shooting," she said.
* Anisha sitting in the hospital waiting room, covered with Dontae's blood.
* Dontae lying on the adult-size hospital gurney, just out of surgery, looking drained and lifeless.
Weeks later, the little boy's hospital room is crowded with cheerful balloons and rows of stuffed animals from well-wishers. Barney is there; Big Bird and Mickey too. A red fire truck is nestled at the foot of the metal crib.
But Dontae has little interest in any of them.
"Owwwwwww!" he cried, his head tossing fitfully from side to side. "It hurts! It hurts!"
Doctors have taken him off pain killers and the throbbing that is part of the healing process has taken over.
Doctors say a single bullet tore through the 2-year-old's right hand and traveled diagonally through his tiny body, exiting on his left side.
He lost a kidney, and emergency surgery saved a badly damaged pancreas and spleen. But the worst news came several days after the March 13 shooting: The bullet had severed nerves in the child's lower spinal cord.
The curly-haired toddler has regained feeling in his right leg but has little use of the left. Some permanent paralysis is certain, said Dr. Oded Preis, head of pediatric intensive care at Staten Island University Hospital.
At best, Dontae will walk again with the use of a leg brace or a walker. At worst, he'll need a wheelchair.
"What hurts, Boopie? Tell me what hurts," his mother said.
"My body," the little boy replied, his eyes squeezed tightly closed.
*
To a generation of inner-city children, the report of gunfire is as familiar as the hum of a refrigerator.
In New York City, the shooting of children is literally a daily occurrence. Last year, 449 children under age 16 were shot--19 fatally, according to police statistics. Eighty-nine child victims were innocent bystanders like Dontae, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is exaggerating just the slightest bit to say these children are growing up in a war zone. The day after Dontae was shot, Tonya went home to shower and change clothes. She heard the gunshots again. An 18-year-old had been killed in what was said to be a drug dispute.
"I knew him," she said. "And now there's talk all over the buildings about what his brother's gonna do to get even. It never ends."
Nine days later in the Bronx, a 19-year-old was accidentally shot to death in a dispute between two boys over a softball game.
Four days later, a Brooklyn girl was caught in the cross-fire of feuding crack dealers--shot fatally through the heart while sitting on a project stoop.
Tonya Muldrow lived with the fear her son might meet the same fate.
"I thought it might happen when he got older, when I didn't have as much control over him," she said. "Not when he's 2, not when he's just a baby."
But even before his third birthday, the boy knew all about gunfire. His mother had taught him how to respond when the popping noises started outside.
"When we hear the gunshots starting--Dontae thinks they're firecrackers--we go to this wall in my house and sit down," Tonya said. "He sits there quietly and we wait until they stop."
*
Tonya, 23, is a welfare mother; Dontae is her only child. She has lived in the Park Hill projects since she was 11.
Park Hill is a typical inner-city project: Crowded, dirty and dangerous, even in daylight. Illegal guns and drugs are a constant.
"It was OK for me. I was used to the gunshots, the drugs," she whispered, holding her son's bandaged little hand. "I didn't want to live like that. But I was used to it."
Dontae's father, Lamar Hawkins, 23, is another child of the projects. He's an aspiring rapper whose group, the Wu-Tang Clan, is enjoying early success. His presence in Dontae's life is sporadic.
"He's on the road a lot," Tonya said. "You know, trying to make it."
Tonya once tried to make it too. She went to a city-run college on Staten Island--her tuition was free--and studied computer science. She knew education was the key to getting out.
Instead, she got pregnant and dropped out. When her son arrived in October, 1991, Tonya created a timetable for getting her life back on track: she would wait until Dontae was 2 1/2 and old enough for day care.
He will reach that milestone this month in a hospital bed.
"I planned to get a temp's job and go back to school nights, weekends, whatever it took. I had a plan," she said, brushing away tears. "Now, I have to get a new one."
*
These days, a parade of doctors, nurses and interns march in and out of Dontae Hawkins' life. "He's actually real tired of all the attention and just wants to go home," Tonya said.
Doctors say that day is weeks, maybe months, away.
Dontae understands what happened to him. "The little boy got shot," he told his grandmother, Deborah Muldrow. "The bad boys. They shot me."
He doesn't understand why he can't move.
"He's used to being hyper," his mother said, flashing a quick smile as she remembered a child in constant motion.
"The other day, I think, was the first time it hit him that something was wrong," she said. "He tried to get up from the bed and yelled, 'I'm stuck. Help me, I'm stuck.' "
Tonya's days are interminable. She sleeps sporadically on a blue plastic lounge chair next to her son's hospital crib. The room is strewn with newspapers, magazines, empty pizza boxes.
She goes home only to shower and change. Her mother or 18-year-old sister, Tamika, fill in when she leaves.
The child, with skin the color of fine milk chocolate and long, curly eyelashes, sleeps erratically but even then cries out in pain.
Tonya struggles to contain her anger at the young men who caused this. All four, ranging in age from 18 to 23, have been charged with attempted murder.
"I'd like to ask them, 'How could you be so stupid? What were you thinking?' " she said. "But I already know what they would say. They'd say, 'The people should know what to do--get down.' But my boy, he's a baby."
She knows one of the four: "I used to do his mother's hair. . . . She's not a bad mother and he's not a bad kid. He just fell in with the wrong crowd.
"You see, where I live, that's what it's all about. Proving yourself. If you don't do it (own a gun), you're a punk, a sucker. It makes them feel, I don't know, like a man.
"That's why I have to get out (of the projects). I don't want him to grow and be like the guys who shot him."
She hopes for a new, safer place to live, "maybe even something with a back yard." Together, she and her mother have enough money to rent an apartment in a private house. Now, they have to find someone who will rent to them--no easy task.
"It's not because we're black. It's because we come from Park Hill," she said. "People see that and are afraid. I can't really blame them."
Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Just finished this series
Did I miss it or is there literally NO mention of the Bobby Digital music?
Some of Rzas best work
Did I miss it or is there literally NO mention of the Bobby Digital music?
Some of Rzas best work
The series skipped alot of shyt.. Still dope though.Just finished this series
Did I miss it or is there literally NO mention of the Bobby Digital music?
Some of Rzas best work
I disagree. The brand is only strengthened by expansion. Look at any business model, they want to expand, and have integration. And every group/click that came after followed the same blueprint of wanting everyone under 1 flag. And none of them did what Wu did and still has. The KBz are still holding up that "W", no matter what they fuss about. Hot 97 hurt more than anything because the climate of the music changed. So now mainstream media is paying attention to certain artists, who are blowing up, and Wu is no longer in that convo. The Tank is dominating the radio, and they aren't even 1/4 the MCs the Clan is. The Killabeez are what strengthened the "W". Soldiers of Darkness was 95/96. Shyheim was '94, Killah Priest, Killarmy, GraveDiggaz, Wu All-Stars, all of these helped the W become the force that it is. The Swarm was supposed to usher in the next wave of KBz, and while that album came out with little hype behind it, everyone who bought it agreed at how dope it was. Even later, La & Wu-Syndicate put out dope projects under the umbrella that everyone loves.
Also, U-God is the only one that feels that way. Meth has said that Killarmy/Sunz are family. Shy is Wu-Tang. Dreddy & Timbo are Wu. And then the Clan is co-signing these artists. La on Meth projects. Meth with Shy, Timbo on GZA, Hell Razah & Sunn on everything. KP all over. Killarmy all over.
The main problem in the decline of Wu was Hot 97. Then you mix in their public beefing, their infamous show-skipping habits, and the main members wanting to get away from the formula and dropping duds...but through all of that, the KBz held it down.
Funcrusher
All Star
Not to get into the killer bee discussion, but all those albums/artists dropping didn't stop Masta Killa from having a classic solo debut. It's a million times better than anything U-God ever dropped. And that was 03.
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Yea I feel like they could do another 4 episodes on method man alone
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
Priest and RZA was beefing? Never knew that but I do know that the team respected Killarmy and Sunz Of Man because I heard ghost speak well of them. I also know RZA made Priest pay to use the Wu logo on his albums.
Damn, was she at least able to return it and get you the right thing?
ig88
Bounty Hunter
Priest and RZA was beefing? Never knew that but I do know that the team respected Killarmy and Sunz Of Man because I heard ghost speak well of them. I also know RZA made Priest pay to use the Wu logo on his albums.
I was young man. One of my first albums. Before the innanet i was like “damn dre was fat back then...”. No way to find out til you open. Which is why im bringing the branding shyt up. People were blind buying anything with a W.
Played that whole shyt looking for g thang..
And yea they had a beef in views from masada era which is why priest missing post 98 for most part.
Killah Priest Interview.. speakin on 'beef' with RZA and more
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Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
Nah bro, U-God could have took the initiative and made moves to get his album done with other producers instead of just waiting on RZA all day, week, year, month, whatever!
U-God could have stepped out and proved that he was more valuable and thus deserved more attention from RZA when it comes to his project.
However we have to look at the facts, U-God is not really a spitter like that! Some people just dont have it and he didn't have it. if Wu Tang was the Jackson 5 he is not even Jermaine, U-God is Randy or Jackie or one of the other ones we don't hear about.
I still hope one day we can get GZA documentary but we probably never will..shyt. We didn't even get the ODB documentary to my knowledge and I don't really know why.
phonthought3000
All Star
I thought ODB family blocked the documentary from coming out. I remember they were holding a small screening ov it and Rza was there and right before they was bout to play it they got informed the family blocked it Rza was even shocked as he was unaware...
Here is the vid
ig88
Bounty Hunter
Son. Wowowow
I know someone got me. This was a big deal on wutangworld and 5 elements. Word to @King Sun
@Guvnor
Killah Priest Interview.. speakin on 'beef' with RZA and more
ThaFormula.Com Featured Artist: Killah Priest - A True Warrior
Theres him talking about it not even the statement itself. You dont talk about shyt in multiple interviews noone cares about or knows.... you musta had ya nas stan goggles on.
Priest released a statement on rza and called him out. Why no wu producers on views from masada? Wheres priest on the killer bee albums?
Your the most ignorant wu stan ive ever talked to. Congrats.
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