Wu-tang: An American Saga | Season 3 | Official Thread

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He didnt write all... he did write... I know he was goofing off and lazy and wasted time and was not gonna make the deadline so rza and gza wrote some for him.. Hell, he even spit the same verse on 2 different songs...

RZA was the brains that made the group and kept them around but Dirty was the glue that made them all stick. He made them not remember they didnt they like each other

:russ: its that Panama suntannama verse, he rapped it on on damage and the Brooklyn zoo remix.. what's even funnier about that is that's a verse that gza wrote in 91 when him, dirt, and rza were battling around New York as the all in together crew.. there's a YouTube video of gza performing that same verse in 91 at some club with dirty and rza..

according to u-god, dirt was a big biz Markie Stan and took after him.. and just like big daddy Kane and Marley marl helped write biz's rhymes and made his beats, rza and gza wrote dirty's rhymes and helped with dirty's beats..
 

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bruh lol

I can’t remember the verse now but I never noticed it when the album dropped as many times as I listed to it…but I was listening to it like a year or two ago and I caught it after just one listen
i was a DJ and heavy into music so i noticed that on first listen. i was also 22 when it dropped..
After hearing a WuTang album me and my boys had this spot to go to for the kung fu flicks in 50th St and 8th Ave.. The dude was good too.. I remember i was like yo.. horse fist and he was like yeah ... "two for the road".. took it home and sure enough that horse fist/dragon fist from the ODB album was there
I used to listen to every CD i brought from start to finish... I miss the days of albums having a focus, now its just 13+ songs thrown together
 
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IMO, here's what the other members felt...

I gave you 5 years.. We got signed now let me do me but i'll stay cool with you.
I gave you 5 years but i had a vision before you and i want to fulfill my vision.

You dont have enough time to work on ALL of our stuff ... and damn. you just lost my stuff in a flood.. You gonna do him first before me.. but you already started mine... Meanwhile RZA is probably depressed about the flood and (being a producer myself) he's not in "mood" to do those types of beats that he lost
But at the same time, most of them didn't even have a vision to begin with. Meth takes 4 years in between albums. And that was before he was acting like that. Ghost and Rae (and prob Uey) were still hustling through 96. GZA is impossible to get in the studio in a timely manner...and goes MIA for periods of time. Dirty is unpredictable. I have no clue what MK did until 2004. Don't forget how a Wu Tang show once meant 4-5 members at random, and whatever Killabees as filler. The main problem was equal pay for unequal work. That ish was never sustainable...especially as the demand for certain folks rose and fell.

The only one with a legitimate gripe was Deck. He was just a victim of the game of life. Unfortunately, he was already signed to Loud by the time Razor Sharp & Wu-Tang Records started, and then Loud sat his album on the shelf for almost 2 yrs.
 

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wow, that's what you're taking from this? i'm getting control freak who definitely started taking too many liberties with the decision making....i'm not a wu fan at all, so all of this is new to me and i know from articles a lot of stuff is fiction in this show, but i am seeing how RZA got to a place where most them dudes ended up beefing with or mad at him at some point

Trust me, RZA is a damn saint. He released all these dudes from their contracts in 98 without compensation. All he has done since is try to keep the Wu legacy alive be be gracious in the face of public attacks from Wu members.
 

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1000%.. In interviews some clan members said that dirty was actually the glue that kept the group together within those first few years with his antics and humor and you can kinda see that play out in the show.. he was always clowning around but you can see that the clan members loved him and respected him..

ghost, meth, and rae have intense personalities on the show, but even they crack jokes and kick it with odb, and when they get into confrontations, a lot of times its dirty who would crack a joke and lighten up the mood.. I love dirty, but he didn't write his own rhymes, was always getting in trouble, and as the show stated didn't even remember his rhymes during live performances :russ: so I always wondered why the other clan members love him so much considering their personalities, but after watching this show I get it!
Everybody needs a Dirty in their crew. The ice breaker. The guy who gets along with everybody. Also, the guy who can get away with calling everyone out on their shyt.
 

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But at the same time, most of them didn't even have a vision to begin with. Meth takes 4 years in between albums. And that was before he was acting like that. Ghost and Rae (and prob Uey) were still hustling through 96. GZA is impossible to get in the studio in a timely manner...and goes MIA for periods of time. Dirty is unpredictable. I have no clue what MK did until 2004. Don't forget how a Wu Tang show once meant 4-5 members at random, and whatever Killabees as filler. The main problem was equal pay for unequal work. That ish was never sustainable...especially as the demand for certain folks rose and fell.

The only one with a legitimate gripe was Deck. He was just a victim of the game of life. Unfortunately, he was already signed to Loud by the time Razor Sharp & Wu-Tang Records started, and then Loud sat his album on the shelf for almost 2 yrs.
Most people dont have a vision.... back in that time (and i was one of them) the vision / goal was to get signed..

That was the endgame... getting signed meant you had it.. Nothing else mattered. My Def Jam meeting in 90-91 meant the world to me.. But my cousin's group sounded to much like tribe and leaders and so that was that... That sound wasnt a Def Jam sound and I only scored that meeting by luck

Equal Pay for unequal work .. welcome to a union... which is another reason they separated after the 5 years was up.

Even if getting signed was the endgame .. RZA did that for them... They then dropped the ball...
 

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Trust me, RZA is a damn saint. He released all these dudes from their contracts in 98 without compensation. All he has done since is try to keep the Wu legacy alive be be gracious in the face of public attacks from Wu members.

Lord help me I feel like the RZA
Like, this what I get for helping you nikkas?


 
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Trust me, RZA is a damn saint. He released all these dudes from their contracts in 98 without compensation. All he has done since is try to keep the Wu legacy alive be be gracious in the face of public attacks from Wu members.


The LOOK on Divine’s face when he said RZA told him to release them from their contracts…

 

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The LOOK on Divine’s face when he said RZA told him to release them from their contracts…


Yeah :heh:

Divine would not have released them dudes without compensation.

Honestly, thats why I admire RZA so much. He’s an anomaly in a cut throat business. I guess when you have so much talent, you don’t need to exploit people for financial gain. He released his artists, went to Hollywood and successfully built a career in a whole other field.
 

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Everybody needs a Dirty in their crew. The ice breaker. The guy who gets along with everybody. Also, the guy who can get away with calling everyone out on their shyt.
They also call him out on his ish too. Meth seems like the one to able to call out everyone....without being a hater.

But yup, RZA is an absolute saint. They even had access to put the W on whatever ventures they had going on, without having to pay RZA for use....at least for a period, cause now he charges them. Even now, he satisfies all of their gripes, AND yet they still complain. He agreed to the tier system, paid Raekwon's ridiculous asking price to get in the studio for A Better Tomorrow. He agreed that they could get whatever producers they wanted for the album. He put in place Wu-Wednesday calls, so that they were all aware of what everyone else was working on, and now it's more of a democracy instead of dictatorship. And he's rescued them multiple times after all of the suits. Got Cuban PT 2 off the shelf at Aftermath, Ghost & Uey used him for a label for 12 Reasons & Uey's best 2 albums, Meth wanted him to oversee 4:21, but by the time Def Jam gave the okay, he couldn't make the schedule work.
 
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