WTMF EVER HAPPENED TO JODECI??

[JustCKing]

none of those productions were on the level of devante's work, aside from "one in a million", which was co-produced by missy.

what does hip-hop have to do with anything? since when did devante ever claim to be a hip-hop producer? youre all over the place.

and even then, "no more pain" is better than any timbaland hip-hop beat.

the better question is, when was timbaland ever respected as a hip-hop producer like that?

LOL @ Missy co-producing "One In A Million". She wrote the song, not produced it.

Hip Hop has to do with it because Timbaland also produces Hip Hop. He wasn't just big in the R&B world. Devante was mainly confined to R&B (essentially Jodeci). If Timbaland's an accomplished producer in multiple fields it speaks volumes for his musical achievements.

So Timbaland isn't a respected Hip Hop producer? Ok, so here's an excerpt from a Hip Hop producer:

"When I was learning to produce, working in a home studio in my mother's crib, I tried to make beats that sounded exactly like Timbaland's, DJ Premier's, Pete Rock's and, especially, Dr. Dre's"---- Kanye West.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/dr-dre-20110420

 

[TezMilli]

If we in here talkin bout DeVante vs Timbaland, why are we mentioning Timbo's hiphop productions? DeVante obviously didnt get his time to shine in that genre since his career came to a halt. If we're comparing, lets keep it R&B

 

[JustCKing]

If we in here talkin bout DeVante vs Timbaland, why are we mentioning Timbo's hiphop productions? DeVante obviously didnt get his time to shine in that genre since his career came to a halt. If we're comparing, lets keep it R&B

For starters, Timbaland cultivated the talent that Devante didn't. Timbaland produced ground breaking and successful songs and albums for Ginuwine, Tweet (Sugah), and Playa. The work he did with Ginuwine is considered classic. Outside of Da Bassment, he was able to create a new sound for Aaliyah and the music that came out of that is also considered classic. Then there's the fact that he also produced notable records for Nicole Wray, SWV, and Total. Aside from Tweet, Timbaland did all of that in a span of three years (1996-1999).

 

[TezMilli]

For starters, Timbaland cultivated the talent that Devante didn't. Timbaland produced ground breaking and successful songs and albums for Ginuwine, Tweet (Sugah), and Playa. The work he did with Ginuwine is considered classic. Outside of Da Bassment, he was able to create a new sound for Aaliyah and the music that came out of that is also considered classic. Then there's the fact that he also produced notable records for Nicole Wray, SWV, and Total. Aside from Tweet, Timbaland did all of that in a span of three years (1996-1999).

Who cultivated Timbaland though? And those years you quoted, that was Da Bassment sound he took. Everybody in that camp knows that. That's what started the beef between those two.

I have no doubt DeVante couldve done the same thing and with those same people if he didn't have his run in wit Suge and his boys.

 

[JustCKing]

Who cultivated Timbaland though? And those years you quoted, that was Da Bassment sound he took. Everybody in that camp knows that. That's what started the beef between those two.

I have no doubt DeVante couldve done the same thing and with those same people if he didn't have his run in wit Suge and his boys.

Yes, Devante cultivated Tim. Still, Timbaland only got so far under Timbaland. If Tim lacked drive and motivation, that Da Bassment demo might be the only thing anyone heard of Timbo and that's even if it anyone would even bother to leak it had not all of these people blown.

In terms of Da Bassment sound though, who really was Da Bassment sound? Listening to that demo, it sounds like it mostly comprised of Timbaland's signature production (the crickets, stuttering drum patterns, and other sounds). Yes, it was created inside Da Bassment, but it doesn't sound like Devante's production.

Maybe DeVante could've done he same thing, but it didn't happen, so we will never know. Those guys chose to roll with Timbaland and Missy for a reason.

 

[TezMilli]

Yes, Devante cultivated Tim. Still, Timbaland only got so far under Timbaland. If Tim lacked drive and motivation, that Da Bassment demo might be the only thing anyone heard of Timbo and that's even if it anyone would even bother to leak it had not all of these people blown.

In terms of Da Bassment sound though, who really was Da Bassment sound? Listening to that demo, it sounds like it mostly comprised of Timbaland's signature production (the crickets, stuttering drum patterns, and other sounds). Yes, it was created inside Da Bassment, but it doesn't sound like Devante's production.

Maybe DeVante could've done he same thing, but it didn't happen, so we will never know. Those guys chose to roll with Timbaland and Missy for a reason.

In regards to Da Bassment sound, everything I've typed in this thread is directly from people(interviews) that were actually in Da Bassment crew. Go back a few pages and peep the interview I posted from Susie (Sugah) and she addresses the 'production' issues we're discussing here. There were other producers in the camp outside of Tim and DeVante. You had Darryl Pearson, Stevie J, etc. all contributing to the sound. Did Tim create that sound? I don't think so but I believe he added different elements. Everybody wanna give Tim credit and they always point out those years (96 - 99) when someone clearly from his camp said it wasnt his sound. I think I'm gonna take the word from a person in the camp.

The reason they chose to roll with Timbaland and Missy is because DeVante got in a situation his mind couldnt get past. He turned to drugs and became a different person from what they knew and he became stagnant, abusive and unreliable. So even though they were loyal they had to leave because DeVante didn't have that same focus anymore, to get their music out. I would have left too.

But despite all that, DeVante > Timbaland anyday of the week if I need a R&B track written, vocals arranged with a nice hook and beat.

 

[DontEemTry]

So the thing about producers though is...do they fall off?

Devante doesn't have to be in a group anymore, but he can still work in the studio. Where's his new shyt?

 

[JustCKing]

In regards to Da Bassment sound, everything I've typed in this thread is directly from people(interviews) that were actually in Da Bassment crew. Go back a few pages and peep the interview I posted from Susie (Sugah) and she addresses the 'production' issues we're discussing here. There were other producers in the camp outside of Tim and DeVante. You had Darryl Pearson, Stevie J, etc. all contributing to the sound. Did Tim create that sound? I don't think so but I believe he added different elements. Everybody wanna give Tim credit and they always point out those years (96 - 99) when someone clearly from his camp said it wasnt his sound. I think I'm gonna take the word from a person in the camp.

The reason they chose to roll with Timbaland and Missy is because DeVante got in a situation his mind couldnt get past. He turned to drugs and became a different person from what they knew and he became stagnant, abusive and unreliable. So even though they were loyal they had to leave because DeVante didn't have that same focus anymore, to get their music out. I would have left too.

But despite all that, DeVante > Timbaland anyday of the week if I need a R&B track written, vocals arranged with a nice hook and beat.

Of course Timbaland's production wasn't the end all/be all of Da Bassment, but you're making it seem as if they said that Timbaland's work from '96-'99 was produced by someone other than Timbaland. What's essentially said is that he took songs that he created during Da Bassment years and they ended up on Ginuwine's, Aaliyah's, Missy's, and even Tim & Magoo's albums. That part is evident as Tim & Magoo's "Smoke In The Air" has the same chorus as Da Bassment's "B Party". Static and Tim's verses are even the same. That's just one example. Timbaland had his own style, but influenced by the crew that he was apart of. Going by the interview, the guy that was beatboxing was more influential on Timbaland's style than the other producers.

Still, there's a clear among between a Stevie J., Darryl Pearson, Devante, and a Timbaland production.

To Timbaland's credit, Ginuwine's The Bachelor was predominantly produced by Darryl Pearson originally. Tim only had one track on it, which was "Pony" (and that was originally an Interlude). Why in '96 did Ginuwine tap Timbaland to re-work the whole album?

To Devante's credit, dude is a far better musician than Tim, but as a producer, there's no way that Devante is >>>>> Timbaland especially if we're comparing the work Devante did with Jodeci (which is classic) to what Timbaland has been doing since the late '90's.

It seems like you're making excuses. First it was Suge, now it's the drugs. Artists have still endured through drugs and shotty deals.

 

[TezMilli]

Of course Timbaland's production wasn't the end all/be all of Da Bassment, but you're making it seem as if they said that Timbaland's work from '96-'99 was produced by someone other than Timbaland. What's essentially said is that he took songs that he created during Da Bassment years and they ended up on Ginuwine's, Aaliyah's, Missy's, and even Tim & Magoo's albums. That part is evident as Tim & Magoo's "Smoke In The Air" has the same chorus as Da Bassment's "B Party". Static and Tim's verses are even the same. That's just one example. Timbaland had his own style, but influenced by the crew that he was apart of. Going by the interview, the guy that was beatboxing was more influential on Timbaland's style than the other producers.

Still, there's a clear among between a Stevie J., Darryl Pearson, Devante, and a Timbaland production.

To Timbaland's credit, Ginuwine's The Bachelor was predominantly produced by Darryl Pearson originally. Tim only had one track on it, which was "Pony" (and that was originally an Interlude). Why in '96 did Ginuwine tap Timbaland to re-work the whole album?

To Devante's credit, dude is a far better musician than Tim, but as a producer, there's no way that Devante is >>>>> Timbaland especially if we're comparing the work Devante did with Jodeci (which is classic) to what Timbaland has been doing since the late '90's.

It seems like you're making excuses. First it was Suge, now it's the drugs. Artists have still endured through drugs and shotty deals.

I hear what you saying. I know Tim is great and all that and what he brought to the table before and after he left the crew. I just think DeVante didn't have the proper output for me to make the comparison between the two after the 90s. He got blackballed from the game and cant even use his name. As far as what he's ghost produced, I have no clue because its all a mystery.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

LOL @ Missy co-producing "One In A Million". She wrote the song, not produced it.

Hip Hop has to do with it because Timbaland also produces Hip Hop. He wasn't just big in the R&B world. Devante was mainly confined to R&B (essentially Jodeci). If Timbaland's an accomplished producer in multiple fields it speaks volumes for his musical achievements.

So Timbaland isn't a respected Hip Hop producer? Ok, so here's an excerpt from a Hip Hop producer:

"When I was learning to produce, working in a home studio in my mother's crib, I tried to make beats that sounded exactly like Timbaland's, DJ Premier's, Pete Rock's and, especially, Dr. Dre's"---- Kanye West.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/dr-dre-20110420

iirc, there was an interview where they said she had a hand in that beat.

so what if devante didnt produce hip-hop? he was an r&b producer. just because he didnt get around to producing rap beats(if he even wanted to), it doesnt mean that he was "confined" to r&b. lol.

i went too far with that "timbaland isnt a respected hip-hop producer" chit. LOL. hes not the type of guy you go to if you want to get a whole rap album produced tho. maybe he can do it now since mainstream rap is a joke, but still.

kanye is a cornball.

 

[JustCKing]

iirc, there was an interview where they said she had a hand in that beat.

so what if devante didnt produce hip-hop? he was an r&b producer. just because he didnt get around to producing rap beats(if he even wanted to), it doesnt mean that he was "confined" to r&b. lol.

i went too far with that "timbaland isnt a respected hip-hop producer" chit. LOL. hes not the type of guy you go to if you want to get a whole rap album produced tho. maybe he can do it now since mainstream rap is a joke, but still.

kanye is a cornball.

Tell that to Jay Z or LL Cool J.

My point about Timbaland being able to Hip Hop was about his musical achievements. Timbaland being proficient in Hip Hop, R&B, and Pop >>>> than just being proficient in one genre. Tim's produced classics for Jay Z. He helped establish Justin Timberlake's sound in Pop. When Nelly Furtado's previous album didn't too well, she linked up with Timbaland for what became her biggest album. Ginuwine's biggest and best albums were produced by Timbaland. Timbaland's sound re-invented Aaliyah's sound.

 

[keond]

If we in here talkin bout DeVante vs Timbaland, why are we mentioning Timbo's hiphop productions? DeVante obviously didnt get his time to shine in that genre since his career came to a halt. If we're comparing, lets keep it R&B

Devante tried many times to make up tempo hip hop tracks. He couldn't do it. Believe me he tried. His best work was in the gospel influenced soul

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Tell that to Jay Z or LL Cool J.

My point about Timbaland being able to Hip Hop was about his musical achievements. Timbaland being proficient in Hip Hop, R&B, and Pop >>>> than just being proficient in one genre. Tim's produced classics for Jay Z. He helped establish Justin Timberlake's sound in Pop. When Nelly Furtado's previous album didn't too well, she linked up with Timbaland for what became her biggest album. Ginuwine's biggest and best albums were produced by Timbaland. Timbaland's sound re-invented Aaliyah's sound.

yea, and how did that work out for them.

and jay knew better. he kept holding out on that timbaland album until he saw that it didnt matter anymore once rap went to complete chit.

lol @ you still trying to go off-topic. and now youre yappin about pop music.....f*ckin pop music and them corny ass beats that timbaland be making.

yea, timbaland has a great r&b resume, but it still doesnt hold up to devante. i'll say that its close, cuz timbo got him beat in the uptempos, but hes not quite there overall.

 

[JustCKing]

yea, and how did that work out for them.

and jay knew better. he kept holding out on that timbaland album until he saw that it didnt matter anymore once rap went to complete chit.

lol @ you still trying to go off-topic. and now youre yappin about pop music.....f*ckin pop music and them corny ass beats that timbaland be making.

yea, timbaland has a great r&b resume, but it still doesnt hold up to devante.

Jay Z has been working with Timbaland since 1998. Timbaland basically helmed Vol. 3 and the songs he produced on it are arguably the best (save "Snoopy Track").

How am I going off topic? I'm merely stating that Tim's an accomplished producer in three genres of music as opposed to one.

LOL @ Tim's R&B resume not holding up to Devante's:

Aaliyah- One In A Million (8 songs)

Ginuwine- The Bachelor (full album)

Babyface- This Is For The Lover In You (Remix)

Boyz II Men- Can't Let Her Go (Remix)

SWV- Can We

Total- What About Us

Playa- Cheers 2 U (7 songs)

Aaliyah- Are You That Somebody

Nicole Wray- Make It Hot

Ginuwine- 100% (all but 2 songs)

Aaliyah- Try Again

K-Ci & Jojo- Game Face

Aaliyah- More Than A Woman, We Need A Resolution, I Care 4 U

Destiny's Child- Get On The Bus

Destiny's Child- Say My Name (remix)

Tweet- Oops, Call Me, Heaven, Sexual Healing (Oops Remix), Make Ur Move

TLC- Dirty, Dirty

Alicia Keys- Heartburn

Brandy- Afrodisiac (9 songs)

Jamie Foxx- Can I Take You Home

Tank- I Love Them Girls (Remix)

Beyonce- Beyonce (4 songs)

^^^ That reads like a who's who of R&B music and you're saying his resume doesn't hold up to Devante's?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Jay Z has been working with Timbaland since 1998. Timbaland basically helmed Vol. 3 and the songs he produced on it are arguably the best (save "Snoopy Track").

How am I going off topic? I'm merely stating that Tim's an accomplished producer in three genres of music as opposed to one.

LOL @ Tim's R&B resume not holding up to Devante's:

Aaliyah- One In A Million (8 songs)

Ginuwine- The Bachelor (full album)

Babyface- This Is For The Lover In You (Remix)

Boyz II Men- Can't Let Her Go (Remix)

SWV- Can We

Total- What About Us

Playa- Cheers 2 U (7 songs)

Aaliyah- Are You That Somebody

Nicole Wray- Make It Hot

Ginuwine- 100% (all but 2 songs)

Aaliyah- Try Again

K-Ci & Jojo- Game Face

Aaliyah- More Than A Woman, We Need A Resolution, I Care 4 U

Destiny's Child- Get On The Bus

Destiny's Child- Say My Name (remix)

Tweet- Oops, Call Me, Heaven, Sexual Healing (Oops Remix), Make Ur Move

TLC- Dirty, Dirty

Alicia Keys- Heartburn

Brandy- Afrodisiac (9 songs)

Jamie Foxx- Can I Take You Home

Tank- I Love Them Girls (Remix)

Beyonce- Beyonce (4 songs)

^^^ That reads like a who's who of R&B music and you're saying his resume doesn't hold up to Devante's?

we're not talking about multiple genres. we're talking about r&b. do you know how silly you sound right now? devante barely released any rap tracks, and i wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt even listen to pop music. are we gonna hold that against him too?

timbo been wanting to produce a jay album for years. jay wasnt really trying to do it for obvious reasons. as for volume 3, the only timbo track on there that made any noise was "big pimpin".

and no, his resume doesnt hold up. youre just rambling off a bunch of names. ask yourself this, how many of these songs are still held up in high-regard or even mentioned today? i dont even remember some of these.