WTF HAPPENED WHY IS CHICAGO SO VIOLENT?

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When I think of cities crack hit hardest I think NYC, MIA, DC, LA, Philly, Bay area, and ATL to some extend(via MIA). Ironically all of those cities/metros have been gentrified to hell.

Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans have just been consistently violent throughout the decades and can't just be reduced down to crack. NO don't even mess with crack like that. They always been on smack.

Batlimore and St. Louis got hit the hardest by this 2010s opioid epidemic.
 

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Glad you mentioned this. I've been meaning to revisit the P Stones book I copped some years back. Whole lot of fighting within it, some stabbings, and the occasional shooting with a zip gun. You can definitely see the transition from that level of gangbangin and violence to an entirely different level of savagery once the drugs and guns really got introduced. To go from beefing over money from government funded community programs to stem the ills associated with poverty, and then transition to beefing over dope was indescribable. In hindsight I question at times if it was all intended. Some of it at least was simply neglect from both the community and the government. The legal system including police, prosecutors, judges, prison system, etc., simply took advantage of a situation that was too far gone to clean up and resolve.
reading that book now, very dope
 

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y'all should read this book
 

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When I think of cities crack hit hardest I think NYC, MIA, DC, LA, Philly, Bay area, and ATL to some extend(via MIA). Ironically all of those cities/metros have been gentrified to hell.

Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans have just been consistently violent throughout the decades and can't just be reduced down to crack. NO don't even mess with crack like that. They always been on smack.

Batlimore and St. Louis got hit the hardest by this 2010s opioid epidemic.
Crack did assist in the break down of gang alliances and structures though. Leading to more violence.

In the year 1984, Mickey Bull was promoted again to the rank of “Minister” which gave him his own “Dynasty.” Being a Minister was a very high rank that usually no one receives in the organization. Having a dynasty means you control on entire area of the city. Mickey’s dynasty was the entire south side of Chicago, anywhere from Bronzeville down to the wild 100s was controlled by Mickey. His main territory that he directly supervised daily was the Robert Taylor Homes. He held BD meetings in front of the 4950 building. Bull himself stayed at the 5041 S. Federal St in apartment 1505 with Brenda Wear. He ran that building and all the buildings around (Chicago Tribune, December 3, 1986).

In the early 1980s and mid-1980s relations between BDs and BGDs was at its best point, especially now that Folk nation rules and regulations reached the streets, now both gangs would often team up against rivals like Vice Lords, Black P Stones and Mickey Cobras. The Crack Cocaine epidemic of the late 1980s caused relations between the two gangs to completely break down, mainly because of the Crack trade in the Englewood neighborhood. Beginning in the year 1987, fierce competition and intense gang wars erupted in the high rise public housing projects city-wide. Gangs began muscling in on these buildings and began setting up their own security as they walked through the hallways armed with automatic weapons and shotguns as they patted down residents and imposed curfews, the competition was fierce. They even controlled the elevators in the projects and would jump down the shafts and hitch rides up and down.

The Englewood neighborhood is Chicago’s most violent and most impoverished neighborhood and just like the high rise housing projects, the Englewood community became a hotbed for Crack Cocaine users which made distribution a large money making commodity. The BDs had a long rooted history in the Englewood community as the largest piece of their story started on these streets and they felt ownership of this neighborhood. Black P Stones and Mickey Cobras were never welcomed by BDs in this neighborhood, but now the BDs biggest allies the Black Gangster Disciples were muscling in on too many BD drug spots because BGDs felt they were entitled due to being the larger organization and sitting at the top of the Folk Nation alliance. BDs felt disrespected from their BGD brethren. By 1989 the tempers began to flare. Jerome Freeman ended up back in prison with a 28 year sentence for felony drug charges in 1989 and soon after all hell was about to break loose on the streets of Englewood.

Gun fire was then popping off between BGDs and BDs for control of Englewood which led to some deaths, now all-out war was declared between the two organizations in Englewood only and although BDs were smaller in numbers, they were not afraid to war with BGDs and actually welcomed it. The BGDs dropped the “B” or “Black” out of their name and went by “Gangsters Disciples” citywide to show they severed ties to the BDs in 1989.

In the hot summer of 1991, some GDs were ready for war with the BDs but Mickey Bull was holding relations tight between the two organizations and this was a threat to GDs that did not want to be controlled this way. Bull was not expecting GDs to come after him because there was no full fledged war yet, he was also untouchable and many BDs and GDs feared and respected him. Mickey was mild mannered and charming but he would also have no tolerance for those that crossed him. When he walked the streets he had a special whistle that BDs knew. When Mickey whistled it meant he was summoning some soldiers for business. It didn’t matter what you were doing; if you were laying in bed with the flu, if you were laying in bed with your girl, if you were taking a shyt, it didn’t matter, you had to stop everything and rush outside to Mickey when he whistled. He had this kind of power and enemies could not touch because he could see it coming, but in August of 1991, he never expected GDs to come at him and that is what happened, members of the Gangster Disciples shot him dead on the streets which caused an immediate violent backlash from the BDs that became legendary. Payback had to be harsh for this and on August the 7th Englewood was a war zone.
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Segregation.
Its a major city and the vast majority of the gun violence happens in the originally red-lined neighborhoods.
They're almost all-Black, and with such a strong, overarching gang culture present in the segregated neighborhoods, most of the Black children that grow up there are exposed to it.
 

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Chicago aint really all that violent compared to St. Louis, NO, Baltimore, Detroit, etc.
Bigger population more concentrated violence.

Statistics distort the viewpoint unless they're properly interpreted. If you were to focus on gun violence in the South Side and West Side and take that as a population proportion, you'd find much higher statistics. No one gets shot in Forest Glen, Lincoln Park and Beverly, and Calumet doesn't have "Stones" anymore. A lot of cities don't have concentrated pockets, they have across the city violence with pockets even deeper.
 

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Brooklyn keeps on taking it.
The funniest thing about the Chicago videos are all the YouTube users snitching in the comments.

This makes Chicago’s police department look like fools honestly lmao.

Just by looking at the comments there are some rappers I know who had 4 or 5 bodies and some rappers I know who took out certain individuals.

Maybe it isn’t the truth but I do know in a strict city like NY or LA those comments would def be investigated by the cops.
 

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Bigger population more concentrated violence.

Statistics distort the viewpoint unless they're properly interpreted. If you were to focus on gun violence in the South Side and West Side and take that as a population proportion, you'd find much higher statistics. No one gets shot in Forest Glen, Lincoln Park and Beverly, and Calumet doesn't have "Stones" anymore. A lot of cities don't have concentrated pockets, they have across the city violence with pockets even deeper.

You're right but it still wouldn't be as bad as STL. There's a 4 mile stretch in STL that has averaged 20 murders a year. That's unheard of anywhere in this country.

Peep this:

Census tracts average about 4,000 residents each, and are useful for comparing like-size population areas. In a Guardian analysis of the more than 73,000 census tracts in the US, only 63, or 0.1%, had more than five fatal gun murder victims in 2015. Of those 63, eight are within St Louis city limits. That’s more than double the number in Chicago (four) and Baltimore (four) even though the Maryland city is home to twice the population, and about twice as many tracts.
 
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