Woodlawn Cemetery Presents: The Official 2021 New York Yankees Season Thread

[tremonthustler1]

Gerrit Cole: B+. I should lower it to a B- after tonight, but he was everything we wanted, except for when we needed it. He has to be better in big spots. Otherwise he'll regret signing here.

Corey Kluber: D+. Honestly, he only gets that for the no-hitter.

Jameson Taillon: C-. He's a #4-#5 starter on a team apparently filled with them. Not the answer if we're looking for a frontline starter.

Jordan Montgomery: C+ Should lower it to a C after that TB start, but honestly, the Yankee bats did him the dirtiest because they never scored for him. Ran out of gas toward the end.

Nestor Cortes: B+. The Shawn Chacon of this year's team. Wasted a wildly surprising revival year for him. I'd keep him as a spot starter (Ramiro Mendoza style)

Domingo German: D. At this point, we have too many arms we can develop to keep worrying about German.

Michael King: D+ He's not a starter. He's an opener at best. Long relief. Keep him if everything goes to hell, but he's far low on the options for rotation starter.

Luis Severino: Incomplete: Just be healthy next year, no setbacks. Compared to Cole, I have renewed hope for him.


The pen:

Aroldis Chapman: C+. He had that horrible stretch from May to early July. Since that time, he was an adventure, but he wasn't garbage. That said, if someone wants him in a trade, see ya. If not, make him the 8th inning guy.

Jonathan Loaisiga: A-. Answered the call this year and should be the favorite to close. He was really good.

Chad Green: F. He can no longer be trusted. Remember how trash he was year 1? He's back to that.

Albert Abreu: B-. If he gets a secure role, Yankees may have something with him.

Wandy Peralta and Clay Holmes: A-'s for both. Cashman's 2 best acquisitions this year. Holmes was the best reliever here since he got here. WandyVision was a great fireman when Chapman got wild.

Lucas Luetge: C+ He settled into the Luis Cessa role well.


Gil/Garcia/Schmidt: rotation spots are there for you. With new managers and a different fukking philosophy, may they actually be developed correctly. Otherwise, why bother?

The Milwaukee Brewers have Woodruff, Peralta, Houser, and Burnes, mostly homegrown. They let them rock. We'll never know if we have those guys because this team is paralyzed by fukking numbers. Maybe a year in 4th place where all we can focus on is player development will help because whether they have ERA's of 2 or 7, let them develop.

 

[holidayinn21]

Yeah this fool needs to go

 

[Medio]

Why are the YES announcers dikk riding Cole rn .. calling him a stud and he cares about his craft, and all this shyt ... who cares man .

 

[puggle]

It’s difficult not to echo the same season ending thoughts, this is always how it was going to end. This team was the most disappointing team in the league (shout out to San Diego for sharing the honor) and it took them all 162 games to squeak into the playoffs in the last day of the season and were inconsistent till the very end.

It might be time to admit the run for this core might be finished and some major retooling is in order. Now do I think there are actually gonna be some sweeping changes this offseason? Unfortunately no, Cashman will be back, he’ll pick another puppet manager, go dumpster diving for some more high risk, high reward pitchers and that’ll be extent of it again.

 

[Walter H White]

At what point do people just accept this core don’t have it

Yup it's over. I doubt we ever see Judge and Stanton play a full season together again. Time to do one of this Red Sox like quick resets. Trade Judge like Red Sox did with Betts and get a good to great player or two.

Bring in fresh blood in for the front office (Cashman has aged out for years)
Move anyone with good/great value ( Judge, Sevy, Loaisiga, Taillon, Monty) for best prospect package,
Let Cortes start again, if he repeats, sell high.
Play anyone who's value has nosedived in hope of bounceback to sell later ( Torres, DJ, Frazier, Andujar, Urshela, Voit, Gallo, Chapman)
Dangle Gary now and see if anyone wants him, if not non-tender him
Play any and all fringe prospects or rule V eligible players (Florial, Breaux, Deivi, Schmidt) and see if anyone is a keeper
Pray and dangle money to move to Cole and Stanton (see below).
Collect high draft picks like Sox just did with Mayer

Trade Cole (NTC) closer to home (Anaheim). They always has money to spend but can never can get any pitching, Their stars are frustrated (Ohtani/Trout)
Trade Stanton(NTC) closer to home (Dodgers). They have big money to spend. His AAV is low which matters to them with the luxury tax. they also are going to move on from Bellinger, so Betts can slide over to CF if needed and also DH is coming to NL.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'd avoid signing a free agent SS. If they wanna pay Corey Seager, I guess I'm with it, but I'm cool with the stopgap option as a bridge to Volpe/Peraza.

I'm cool with Rizzo back at 1B. If not him, they may have to keep Voit, but I'd seek out a trade.

Trade Gary to the Guardians for Oscar Mercado and Anthony Gose. The FA list sucks, so realistically there's 3 guys I'd trade for:

Jorge Alfaro on the Marlins, Willson Contreras on the Cubs (this will be costly), or Mitch Garver on the Twins (this would be plan A for me). Otherwise they may have to keep Gary.

Tommy Pham would low key be a sneaky signing off a down year. He could lead off and spell guys in the OF. Otherwise, we need the best lefty bat available, even if that means Schwarber


2B LeMahieu R
1B Rizzo L
RF Judge R
LF Stanton R
DH Schwarber L
CF Hicks S
C Garver R
3B Urshela R
SS Velazquez L

C Higashioka
IF Wade
OF Florial or Mercado



Rotation

Cole
Severino
I could see the Yankees going after Gausman or DeSclafani
Gil
Montgomery
Garcia or Schmidt


The pen isn't that bad at all. Minor tweaks

Closer: Loaisiga
Setup: Chapman
then
Peralta
Holmes
Gose
Abreu
Cortes for long relief/starter

 

[tremonthustler1]

fukk it, let's get this Hot Stove talk popping

If Seager leaves, and Trea Turner goes to back to SS. and the Dodgers need a 2B,

Gleyber for Bellinger. Who says no?

Bellinger is SHOT, but I'd probably still do it.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Yup it's over. I doubt we ever see Judge and Stanton play a full season together again. Time to do one of this Red Sox like quick resets. Trade Judge like Red Sox did with Betts and get a good to great player or two.

Bring in fresh blood in for the front office (Cashman has aged out for years)
Move anyone with good/great value ( Judge, Sevy, Loaisiga, Taillon, Monty) for best prospect package,
Let Cortes start again, if he repeats, sell high.
Play anyone who's value has nosedived in hope of bounceback to sell later ( Torres, DJ, Frazier, Andujar, Urshela, Voit, Gallo, Chapman)
Dangle Gary now and see if anyone wants him, if not non-tender him
Play any and all fringe prospects or rule V eligible players (Florial, Breaux, Deivi, Schmidt) and see if anyone is a keeper
Pray and dangle money to move to Cole and Stanton (see below).
Collect high draft picks like Sox just did with Mayer

Trade Cole (NTC) closer to home (Anaheim). They always has money to spend but can never can get any pitching, Their stars are frustrated (Ohtani/Trout)
Trade Stanton(NTC) closer to home (Dodgers). They have big money to spend. His AAV is low which matters to them with the luxury tax. they also are going to move on from Bellinger, so Betts can slide over to CF if needed and also DH is coming to NL.

this ain't a quick reset. This is deciding that you want the Stump Merrill-era Yankees back.

 

[BlueHeffner]

 

[Derek Lee]

Boone needs to go so that I don't have to hear his postgame quotes

 

[Walter H White]

this ain't a quick reset. This is deciding that you want the Stump Merrill-era Yankees back.

Nah, it’s a quick 3 year reset if done right in a league with 2 wild cards and half the teams tanking. We have a couple foundational prospects already (Jasson & Volpe) and we have a couple pieces that can bring back a few top prospects.

This team cannot be fixed without going over $265M and some aggressive trades that hurt our future. Bail now before you are stuck in a decade long stretch of mediocrity

 

[SNYC]

So....

Are you guys going fishing with us or nah?

 

[Walter H White]

Judge Stanton Cole Hicks DJ will make up almost $115M of the payroll in 2024. I wouldnt be surprised if all of them are either mediocre or constantly hurt by then. That’s us bringing back the same team. Great young players are barely hitting the market anymore with these early extensions. Time to reset or rebuild.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Nah, it’s a quick 3 year reset if done right in a league with 2 wild cards and half the teams tanking. We have a couple foundational prospects already (Jasson & Volpe) and we have a couple pieces that can bring back a few top prospects.

This team cannot be fixed without going over $265M and some aggressive trades that hurt our future. Bail now before you are stuck in a decade long of mediocrity

aint nothing quick about that. That's blowing it up to the roots and having nothing to field while you wait for the minor leaguers.

 

[Walter H White]

aint nothing quick about that. That's blowing it up to the roots and having nothing to field while you wait for the minor leaguers.

This is why Yankees ain’t winning shyt for another decade. Fans won’t accept 3 years of losing and real rebuilding/ resetting, but will accept washed up has beens surrounded by mediocre players winning 86 games like we did from 2013-2016. Players aren’t hitting free agency like before with these early extensions, got to reset, draft well, and trade for future pieces.

Sevy Judge Monty Loaisga can net us players who are ready to play at major league level now or in a few months. Betts netted the Sox Verdugo who already had year or so under his belt . Sox drafted Mayer, a future stud player (no homo), 3 years after winning a championship.