Womanhood

[Elle Driver]

Black media would be a powerful tool against sexism.

We need our own outlets, but ironically, the point you made is a big issue being letting outsiders in.

 

[Blackout]

We need our own outlets, but ironically, the point you made is a big issue being letting outsiders in.

Yea, the fact of the matter is that the only ones who care about us is us so we need to unplug from outsiders who only wish ill of us.

 

[agnosticlady]

Why do you keep moving the issue from the marginalization of black women IN the black community, and at large, to black men's suffering at the hands of white supremacy? I feel like you're playing oppression olympics. There's a difference between sexualization and sexism. Sexism is like racism, if you're not the marginalized group, you're the one with the power. That's black men. I don't know if I would refer to black men being hypersexualized by whites as sexism but that's an interesting perspective. For me, I do believe the male is the head of household and the leader/protector/provider, but black women should be in partnership with the men, at the even level playing field. We should have our voices heard, and be represented in all platforms when it comes to any movements.

Eh....I tried

You can't win a war against men by yourself. You need men to fight those men, then come back and clear up the issues.

 

[Elle Driver]

Eh....I tried

You can't win a war against men by yourself. You need men to fight those men, then come back and clear up the issues.

How would you clear up those issues per chance?

 

[agnosticlady]

How would you clear up those issues per chance?

Creating sub groups like MGTOW, black feminism, womanism, black this blah blah yada yada won't do anything really. Honestly from the looks of it womanism has no end goal, because women can not go and fight men. It would be best for us to have an open dialogue and for there to be a social change in the black community. White men lead when it comes to racism and institutionalized racism. White women are their supporters in institutionalized racism. Have an open TRUTHFUL dialogue, and then let the men lead and fight the men that are causing the oppression.At the end of the day we are all black whether you are man and women.
Also to be honest I do not see rampant sexism towards black women in the community. I do see the use of the word bytch/ho being used to describe women, especially black women in a nonchalant way. I feel like we are dehumanizing ourselves when we refer to each other as bytch/nikka. Other than that I do not see a rampant sexist culture in the black community.

 

[blackdahlia]

This is an interesting thread.

I've been thinking about this lately with all of the Trans stuff. I don't consider them real women. I don't have a problem with them, don't care if they transition, but they aren't women. I consider them a third gender.

And to be honest, I think it's better that way, cis women and Trans women face different issues. There are things we go through that they never will. And things they go through that we never will.

I have to think more about this bci don't know if I can completely articulate it, but womanhood is more than clothes and make up.

I'd be interested in knowing if men consider trans men real men.

 

[Elle Driver]

Creating sub groups like MGTOW, black feminism, womanism, black this blah blah yada yada won't do anything really. Honestly from the looks of it womanism has no end goal, because women can not go and fight men. It would be best for us to have an open dialogue and for there to be a social change in the black community. White men lead when it comes to racism and institutionalized racism. White women are their supporters in institutionalized racism. Have an open TRUTHFUL dialogue, and then let the men lead and fight the men that are causing the oppression.At the end of the day we are all black whether you are man and women.
Also to be honest I do not see rampant sexism towards black women in the community. I do see the use of the word bytch/ho being used to describe women, especially black women in a nonchalant way. I feel like we are dehumanizing ourselves when we refer to each other as bytch/nikka. Other than that I do not see a rampant sexist culture in the black community.

That's because you perpetuate sexism sweetheart.

 

[blackdahlia]

Creating sub groups like MGTOW, black feminism, womanism, black this blah blah yada yada won't do anything really. Honestly from the looks of it womanism has no end goal, because women can not go and fight men. It would be best for us to have an open dialogue and for there to be a social change in the black community. White men lead when it comes to racism and institutionalized racism. White women are their supporters in institutionalized racism. Have an open TRUTHFUL dialogue, and then let the men lead and fight the men that are causing the oppression.At the end of the day we are all black whether you are man and women.
Also to be honest I do not see rampant sexism towards black women in the community. I do see the use of the word bytch/ho being used to describe women, especially black women in a nonchalant way. I feel like we are dehumanizing ourselves when we refer to each other as bytch/nikka. Other than that I do not see a rampant sexist culture in the black community.

Really?

 

[agnosticlady]

This is an interesting thread.

I've been thinking about this lately with all of the Trans stuff. I don't consider them real women. I don't have a problem with them, don't care if they transition, but they aren't women. I consider them a third gender.

And to be honest, I think it's better that way, cis women and Trans women face different issues. There are things we go through that they never will. And things they go through that we never will.

I have to think more about this bci don't know if I can completely articulate it, but womanhood is more than clothes and make up.

I'd be interested in knowing if men consider trans men real men.

That is a better way of looking at things.

 

[agnosticlady]

cool

 

[agnosticlady]

That's because you perpetuate sexism sweetheart.

In what ways?

 

[agnosticlady]

Really?

Those are my observations.

 

[Elle Driver]

In what ways?

I hate to be divisive, but I don't even know this "we" you're referring to being that you're Nigerian. So of course you're removed from internalized black American issues and choose to act like there isn't any issue so I'll concede and no longer engage in this with you. Good day.

 

[bcrusaderw]

Black women are never going to go sit in the back of the bus of in our own movement, and we shouldn't have to. The fight against white supremacy is not a physical war, and anyone honestly thinking that we are going to "defeat" white supremacy (in such a way that it no longer exists) is delusional. What blacks need to do in order to circumvent white supremacy requires the thoughts, input, and leadership of black women AND men.

 

[agnosticlady]

I hate to be divisive, but I don't even know this "we" you're referring to being that you're Nigerian. So of course you're removed from internalized black American issues and choose to act like there isn't any issue so I'll concede and no longer engage in this with you. Good day.

Please have a seat. If I would have agreed with your lame ass you would not even bring that up. I was born in Nigeria and raised in America. I know my experiences as a black woman, and I know what I went through in America. Not once did they think, "Oh you're Nigerian.We will let you go", so shut your shyt. You keep talking about black women issues, but now a black woman disagrees with you it's an issue.