Womanhood

[bcrusaderw]

Don't forget she is demure, domestic and submissive ... She is the quintessential "black" "woman"

Lawd, if you're going to make an alias like this you can't be this fukking sloppy. Where was the buildup? The nuance? She just came out of nowhere with her BS. And if she really is a black woman?

 

[bcrusaderw]

@Elle Driver back on topic what do you think about transgendered "women" being allowed into female spaces (bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.)?

 

[Elle Driver]

@Elle Driver back on topic what do you think about transgendered "women" being allowed into female spaces (bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.)?

It scares me to be perfectly honest. I have a fear of it letting a trans into our spaces as women. Like someone else mentioned, they can be a third gender, but infringing upon women's safe spaces? Nah. I'm not comfortable with that.

 

[wet landscapes]

 

[agnosticlady]

Don't forget she is demure, domestic and submissive ... She is the quintessential "black" "woman"

Oh... And I forgot... "She" is in school... Not getting one of those measly social science degrees but a STEM degree... but her ultimate goal is to cook 95% of the meals for her family and make sure it is her duty to keep her man happy

I'm in school for speech pathology in the school setting. That is not a STEM major. Most women do not major in the STEM fields. I currently only know like 3 young women majoring in engineering. most women I know are majoring in education, English, Psychology, Biology, Nursing, Writing, and etc. I'm currently taking a creative writing class for fun and out of 20 students there are only 3 men. At first I was going to major in fashion merchandising because I like fashion and beauty related stuff, but it would not be a good investment. I like working with kids with disabilities.
Oh and I know how to cook, and I enjoy cooking, so yes I would cook for my family. Are they supposed to starve? If the man repairs and fixes things around the house why would it be wrong to cook for your family? A husband should put the wife before himself and the wife should put her husband before herself. Both should make sure that each other is happy.

 

[Taadow]

When it came to revolutionary contemporary pro black movements such as the Black Panther Party, women were pushed to the back. They didn't have much say, and they were behind the scenes. In many cases, they were exploited, abused, and treated like workhorses. That also led to it's own down fall. It's rarely discussed because black men don't like to discuss the fact that sexism is a problem in our community since y'all hold no power, but it is a problem that needs to be discussed. Eldridge Cleaver for example, held a lot of these views. I'm sure you're familiar with him. That's why "womanism" exists. It addresses the intersectionality between race and gender oppression, and our unique struggles as black women. Even now, all the so-called wanna be leaders and speakers are all men, men who refuse to discuss the problem of sexism in our community. It's just pushed to the back. Or we're simply told we swapped welfare for our men. Not realizing that although black men are victims of white supremacy, black women were also left with nothing. Y'all were stripped from us during slavery, and now it's the prison system, or y'all are just shot dead for no reason other than minding your own business and we have to pick up these pieces. And the latest movement "Black Lives Matter", how many of those "black lives" have been black women? Be honest and ask yourself that. We are expected to remain mum on those issues and merely focus on racism, but as a black woman, we struggle with both and we cannot strip our womanhood away much like our race. That's what I mean.

Is that right?

You think anyone expects black women to remain "mum" on anything?




And,
the impression i'm getting here is that maybe Black women don't want to be involved in "revolutionary contemporary pro black movements"
with men. What is your opinion on that?


And,
do you somehow not think that Black men struggle with not just being Black, but also with the layered idea of manhood?

 

[PlainSight]

Subs...

 

[Ashley Banks]

@Elle Driver back on topic what do you think about transgendered "women" being allowed into female spaces (bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.)?

I don't like that at all, They need to create their own shyt. I have no problem with trans women but that's too far.

Creating sub groups like MGTOW, black feminism, womanism, black this blah blah yada yada won't do anything really. Honestly from the looks of it womanism has no end goal, because women can not go and fight men. It would be best for us to have an open dialogue and for there to be a social change in the black community. White men lead when it comes to racism and institutionalized racism. White women are their supporters in institutionalized racism. Have an open TRUTHFUL dialogue, and then let the men lead and fight the men that are causing the oppression.At the end of the day we are all black whether you are man and women.
Also to be honest I do not see rampant sexism towards black women in the community. I do see the use of the word bytch/ho being used to describe women, especially black women in a nonchalant way. I feel like we are dehumanizing ourselves when we refer to each other as bytch/nikka. Other than that I do not see a rampant sexist culture in the black community.

lol are you serious? I see it everywhere I go, from random men to family members.

 

[Ashley Banks]

Is that right?

You think anyone expects black women to remain "mum" on anything?




And,
the impression i'm getting here is that maybe Black women don't want to be involved in "revolutionary contemporary pro black movements"
with men. What is your opinion on that?


And,
do you somehow not think that Black men struggle with not just being Black, but also with the layered idea of manhood?

It's always been the same breh, only black men's struggles are allowed to be talked about. Look at you now, we're talking about womanhood and women's struggles and you guys came in here talking about "what about men". We cant even have a discussion about women's problems in the salon that was made for women without you guys taking offense to everything and bringing up whats going on with men. In threads about black men you guys are never like "but what about the things black women face" but the minute black women say anything about what we deal with it's immediately mocked and then you bring up black men. Not fair.

But to answer your questions

You think anyone expects black women to remain "mum" on anything?

yes, were allowed to speak up when were talking about black men and boys and things they go through but the minute we bring up the stuff black women and girls deal with, we're swiftly reminded of how little our problems matter to most.

the impression i'm getting here is that maybe Black women don't want to be involved in "revolutionary contemporary pro black movements"
with men. What is your opinion on that?

We do, we have no problem with that.

do you somehow not think that Black men struggle with not just being Black, but also with the layered idea of manhood?

No, we know that black men have struggles beyond racism, do we think the sexism they deal with is on the level that women deal with? No.


Just to let you know how men get when black women bring up sexism, you just asked Elle driver these questions. She ALWAYS speaks up for black men and is never unfair to them but because she's focusing on black women in this thread, you forgot all about that.

 

[agnosticlady]

I don't like that at all, They need to create their own shyt. I have no problem with trans women but that's too far.



lol are you serious? I see it everywhere I go, from random men to family members.

Ok describe to me the rampant sexism that you see black men using against black women. I didn't see rampant sexism where one can compare it to a culture of sexism. For instance in ancient Greek culture sexism was rampant. They didn't understand the purpose of a woman being here, and saw her as only a baby maker. A lot of the men would have boy toys (literally). In addition to that the black men who I saw acting over emotional or disrespectful towards black women like Tommy Sotomayor tend to come from single mother households. Even in the jobs that I had the black men weren't sexist to me. The closest I ever saw to that would be one of my former coworkers telling me that I have a nice body when I came in one day out of uniform. Even then I don't consider that to be sexist.

 

[Ashley Banks]

Ok describe to me the rampant sexism that you see black men using against black women. I didn't see rampant sexism where one can compare it to a culture of sexism. For instance in ancient Greek culture sexism was rampant. They didn't understand the purpose of a woman being here, and saw her as only a baby maker. A lot of the men would have boy toys (literally). In addition to that the black men who I saw acting over emotional or disrespectful towards black women like Tommy Sotomayor tend to come from single mother households. Even in the jobs that I had the black men weren't sexist to me. The closest I ever saw to that would be one of my former coworkers telling me that I have a nice body when I came in one day out of uniform. Even then I don't consider that to be sexist.

I guess your definition of sexism is different from the dictionary definition. Even you're sexist to women, yet you don't think sexism is rampant. You've called multiple women cat ladies, old hags, and bitter because they disagreed with you. Something a lot of men (including black men) do. But I deal with sexism allll the time,Thinking I should be submissive just because I'm a woman, being told I shouldn't make my career more important than finding a man and getting married, being told my education and my career aren't more important than serving a man, being told I will be worthless after a certain age (something you agree with so I guess this isn't sexism to you), being told that the only reason I'm successful is because I'm attractive, telling me I can't wear certain things because I'm too "distracting" and a ton of other shyt but you get the point.

 

[Elle Driver]

Just to let you know how men get when black women bring up sexism, you just asked Elle driver these questions. She ALWAYS speaks up for black men and is never unfair to them but because she's focusing on black women in this thread, you forgot all about that.

That's why I try not to indulge in these conversations with men, or those who can't see past their issues, because I always feel like I'm repeating myself and talking to a brick wall.

I guess your definition of sexism is different from the dictionary definition. Even you're sexist to women, yet you don't think sexism is rampant. You've called multiple women cat ladies, old hags, and bitter because they disagreed with you. Something a lot of men (including black men) do. But I deal with sexism allll the time,Thinking I should be submissive just because I'm a woman, being told I shouldn't make my career more important than finding a man and getting married, being told my education and my career aren't more important than serving a man, being told I will be worthless after a certain age (something you agree with so I guess this isn't sexism to you), being told that the only reason I'm successful is because I'm attractive, telling me I can't wear certain things because I'm too "distracting" and a ton of other shyt but you get the point.

Yep exactly. She was saying that by 28 if you don't have a man or ring, you're pretty much worthless, regurgitating the same harmful views these men have. I'm lucky not to be with someone who believes in that type of harmful rhetoric. I mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. There's really no winning. Black women should have each other's backs, we already have undying loyalty to black men even though some would have you believing otherwise. And these are the types of unique issues we deal with as not just women, but black women. That's why I ask about womanhood.

 

[Elle Driver]

Ok describe to me the rampant sexism that you see black men using against black women. I didn't see rampant sexism where one can compare it to a culture of sexism. For instance in ancient Greek culture sexism was rampant. They didn't understand the purpose of a woman being here, and saw her as only a baby maker. A lot of the men would have boy toys (literally). In addition to that the black men who I saw acting over emotional or disrespectful towards black women like Tommy Sotomayor tend to come from single mother households. Even in the jobs that I had the black men weren't sexist to me. The closest I ever saw to that would be one of my former coworkers telling me that I have a nice body when I came in one day out of uniform. Even then I don't consider that to be sexist.

I'll humor you, being that you're Nigerian, but let's talk about single motherhood. Black women are shamed for being single mothers but we barely hear the same rhetoric about dead beat fathers because the blame is put on the woman for going through with her pregnancy and keeping the baby.

 

[bcrusaderw]

I'll humor you, being that you're Nigerian, but let's talk about single motherhood. Black women are shamed for being single mothers but we barely hear the same rhetoric about dead beat fathers because the blame is put on the woman for going through with her pregnancy and keeping the baby.

They NEVER discuss deadbeats here. Contrary to popular Coli logic all types of men can be deadbeats not just "thugs". Then when you point out that white mothers of mulatto children are often left single mothers they go quiet. There is a pervasive problem that's not being addressed.

 

[Ashley Banks]

That's why I try not to indulge in these conversations with men, or those who can't see past their issues, because I always feel like I'm repeating myself and talking to a brick wall.



Yep exactly. She was saying that by 28 if you don't have a man or ring, you're pretty much worthless, regurgitating the same harmful views these men have. I'm lucky not to be with someone who believes in that type of harmful rhetoric. I mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. There's really no winning. Black women should have each other's backs, we already have undying loyalty to black men even though some would have you believing otherwise. And these are the types of unique issues we deal with as not just women, but black women. That's why I ask about womanhood.

and this is a great thread even with all the side tracks

I wonder if she feels the same way about herself. Does she know that life doesn't always work in a way that you want it to? I've always been confused by women that bought into that, like of course I can understand why a man would think that, it's a controlling mechanism, make women think that they're nothing if they aren't submitting to a man. But why would a woman think that? or teach her daughters that? That's how women end up relationships with men that are molesting/raping their children and they stay, or end up with men that cheat on them and abuse them but they won't leave because they believe they're nothing without them.