Womanhood

[Elle Driver]

This is what that sick colorstruck rapist fukker had to say about raping black women. He basically said that they were practice for the white women that he truly desired, and he never apologized for the rapes. Hope hes rotting in hell.

I don't know how the women in that party really survived with all the corruption from the government, the corruption within the party, the rampant abuse. It was disgusting. But as usual, sexism is pushed to the wayside because we should all just be fighting "racism" but our issues as women aren't important.

That's a touchy topic right there. While I do agree that sexism exists and should be addressed I'm hoping that this problem and the ways that we can fix it doesn't involve outsiders because right now the black community is too connected with outsiders which is an issue.

This is an internalized issue. Much like colorism is an internalized black issue, so is sexism. And it's only touchy because black men don't like to talk about it.

 

[Blackout]

This is an internalized issue. Much like colorism is an internalized black issue, so is sexism. And it's only touchy because black men don't like to talk about it.

This issue is easily affected by outsiders though.

Many of the men and women who dislike each other go with outsiders who help them make this issue worse.

That is something we need to be mindful of when handling that issue.

 

[Elle Driver]

This issue is easily affected by outsiders though.

Many of the men and women who dislike each other go with outsiders who help them make this issue worse.

That is something we need to be mindful of when handling that issue.

That still doesn't take away from the issue being sexism. While you're worried about "outsiders" (code word for "lets worry about racism instead"), the issue still affects black women.

 

[Blackout]

That still doesn't take away from the issue being sexism. While you're worried about "outsiders" (code word for "lets worry about racism instead"), the issue still affects black women.

Let's not put words in my mouth.

I'm worried about some of our people bringing in outsiders when it comes to our internal issues.

 

[Elle Driver]

Let's not put words in my mouth.

I'm worried about some of our people bringing in outsiders when it comes to our internal issues.

What does outsiders mean?

Be honest, do you see sexism as a problem in our community? You seem not to want to address the issue.

 

[Blackout]

What does outsiders mean?

Be honest, do you see sexism as a problem in our community? You seem not to want to address the issue.

Outsiders as in non black people being brought into our internal matters.

Our people have a problem of giving outsiders clout in our issues.

Yes I do see it as an issue that needs to be addressed.

 

[Elle Driver]

Outsiders as in non black people being brought into our internal matters.

Our people have a problem of giving outsiders clout in our issues.

Yes I do see it as an issue that needs to be addressed.

Well if you're familiar with womanism, then you'd realize that outsiders are not allowed in. Hell, not even black men. As for black feminism, idk. I'm not really a follower of that.

 

[Blackout]

Well if you're familiar with womanism, then you'd realize that outsiders are not allowed in. Hell, not even black men. As for black feminism, idk. I'm not really a follower of that.

This matter of sexism should be dealt with between black men and women together.

No outsiders.

 

[agnosticlady]

When it came to revolutionary contemporary pro black movements such as the Black Panther Party, women were pushed to the back. They didn't have much say, and they were behind the scenes. In many cases, they were exploited, abused, and treated like workhorses. That also led to it's own down fall. It's rarely discussed because black men don't like to discuss the fact that sexism is a problem in our community since y'all hold no power, but it is a problem that needs to be discussed. Eldridge Cleaver for example, held a lot of these views. I'm sure you're familiar with him. That's why "womanism" exists. It addresses the intersectionality between race and gender oppression, and our unique struggles as black women. Even now, all the so-called wanna be leaders and speakers are all men, men who refuse to discuss the problem of sexism in our community. It's just pushed to the back. Or we're simply told we swapped welfare for our men. Not realizing that although black men are victims of white supremacy, black women were also left with nothing. Y'all were stripped from us during slavery, and now it's the prison system, or y'all are just shot dead for no reason other than minding your own business and we have to pick up these pieces. And the latest movement "Black Lives Matter", how many of those "black lives" have been black women? Be honest and ask yourself that. We are expected to remain mum on those issues and merely focus on racism, but as a black woman, we struggle with both and we cannot strip our womanhood away much like our race. That's what I mean.

When it comes to the black lives matter movement it is really just a trend started by the media to bring in revenue and followed by people who follow anything. Some of the people marching will turn around tomorrow and get swept away by reports of pregnant celebrities. Black people have been getting killed left and right the moment they stepped into this country, but the media rarely reported it. Yes Eldridge Cleaver was a sick rapist,and I do not like the black orators that come speaking about revolution yet use their position to their power. That is partly why I gave Umar Jhonson the side eye (rightfully so). You can't talk to me about weaves and carrying myself with class yet you are happily following someone that does exactly what you tell me not to do. To be honest the people who follow orators without ever questioning their behavior are lost minded people who believe that someone is above questioning. One of our biggest problems as people is that we get so stuck on have a leader that we do not question the detrimental things they participate in. That is why I said that as black people we need to stop looking for leaders, and instead be leaders within ourselves. In addition to that was the sexism running rampant through all of the black panther parties? Eldridge Cleavers party/group was not the only to exist. Also the Black Panther party was not the only group that existed for black people. For instance if I go to Orlando and see sexual harassment there I can't say all of Florida is sexist. Assata Shakur spoke about the Macho behavior in the black panther party while she was in California, but mostly left due to their lack of knowledge on black history. She went on to work with other black men and joined other black movement groups.
Secondly white men are the fighters and on the front of white supremacy. A woman can not and should not fight a man. A woman can speak about her issues but she should not be toe to toe on a public platform going against men that lead the racism in the country when there is a black man there to fight against the racism of white men.
You keep saying that black women were left alone to pick up the pieces on their own. Ok that's true, but the people who stripped black men of their ability to provide for their family were white men. Whenever a black man did try to find a way to provide for his family it was usually shut down by white people. Wouldn't that be a bigger reason for black men and black women to stand together? I do believe that black men and black women have somewhat distinct issues, but in the end we are both being targeted by institutionalized racism and that all falls under what? Racism. With that being said I do believe that the sexual harassment and abuse of black youth by black men AND women should be spoken about.

 

[agnosticlady]

This matter of sexism should be dealt with between black men and women together.

No outsiders.

Exactly.....white men are the leaders of white supremacy. Don't get me wrong white women play a LARGE role in it too, but since mean are the leaders of the community white men are the leaders of white supremacy. A woman can't fight a man in a war. What would be a better is for black men and women to discuss it and then black men can go forward and fight the architects of this racist society. That is how war is done. In most wars they first kill off the men (the protectors of the communities) and then rape or brainwash the women. You can't say, "I'm going to fight this racism by myself as a woman". It won't work.

 

[agnosticlady]

Well if you're familiar with womanism, then you'd realize that outsiders are not allowed in. Hell, not even black men. As for black feminism, idk. I'm not really a follower of that.

Why aren't black men allowed into womanisnm?

 

[Elle Driver]

When it comes to the black lives matter movement it is really just a trend started by the media to bring in revenue and followed by people who follow anything. Some of the people marching will turn around tomorrow and get swept away by reports of pregnant celebrities. Black people have been getting killed left and right the moment they stepped into this country, but the media rarely reported it. Yes Eldridge Cleaver was a sick rapist,and I do not like the black orators that come speaking about revolution yet use their position to their power. That is partly why I gave Umar Jhonson the side eye (rightfully so). You can't talk to me about weaves and carrying myself with class yet you are happily following someone that does exactly what you tell me not to do. To be honest the people who follow orators without ever questioning their behavior are lost minded people who believe that someone is above questioning. One of our biggest problems as people is that we get so stuck on have a leader that we do not question the detrimental things they participate in. That is why I said that as black people we need to stop looking for leaders, and instead be leaders within ourselves. In addition to that was the sexism running rampant through all of the black panther parties? Eldridge Cleavers party/group was not the only to exist. Also the Black Panther party was not the only group that existed for black people. For instance if I go to Orlando and see sexual harassment there I can't say all of Florida is sexist. Assata Shakur spoke about the Macho behavior in the black panther party while she was in California, but mostly left due to their lack of knowledge on black history. She went on to work with other black men and joined other black movement groups.
Secondly white men are the fighters and on the front of white supremacy. A woman can not and should not fight a man. A woman can speak about her issues but she should not be toe to toe on a public platform going against men that lead the racism in the country when there is a black man there to fight against the racism of white men.
You keep saying that black women were left alone to pick up the pieces on their own. Ok that's true, but the people who stripped black men of their ability to provide for their family were white men. Whenever a black man did try to find a way to provide for his family it was usually shut down by white people. Wouldn't that be a bigger reason for black men and black women to stand together? I do believe that black men and black women have somewhat distinct issues, but in the end we are both being targeted by institutionalized racism and that all falls under what? Racism. With that being said I do believe that the sexual harassment and abuse of black youth by black men AND women should be spoken about.

Like I said, white institutionalized racism is a problem, but it also created internalized issues within our community that should be addressed. Those issues being the fact that sexism and the marginalization of black women is a real issue. There's no need to dismiss that.

Why aren't black men allowed into womanisnm?

It's a movement for black women. They don't suffer from sexism.

 

[agnosticlady]

Like I said, white institutionalized racism is a problem, but it also created internalized issues within our community that should be addressed. Those issues being the fact that sexism and the marginalization of black women is a real issue. There's no need to dismiss that.



It's a movement for black women. They don't suffer from sexism.

1. What is the end goal of womanism? For instance if I started a fundraiser to get a kidney for a sick friend my end goal would be to raise enough money for a kidney. What is the end goal of womanism?

2. Black men do deal with sexism. Have you ever heard of the movie birth of a nation? What about the hypersexualization of black men? What about the numerous non black women who made up lies about black men looking at them in turn getting black men killed? Did you know that many black men lost their lives during the Rosewood massacre because a white woman lied about a black man raping her? What about America making cocaine illegal because they felt like it would make black go around and rape white women?

3. Ok serious question..... In what ways are black women marginalized in the black community and oppressed in the black community? I have my opinion, but I want to see it from your perspectives.

 

[Elle Driver]

1. What is the end goal of womanism? For instance if I started a fundraiser to get a kidney for a sick friend my end goal would be to raise enough money for a kidney. What is the end goal of womanism?

2. Black men do deal with sexism. Have you ever heard of the movie birth of a nation? What about the hypersexualization of black men? What about the numerous non black women who made up lies about black men looking at them in turn getting black men killed? Did you know that many black men lost their lives during the Rosewood massacre because a white woman lied about a black man raping her? What about America making cocaine illegal because they felt like it would make black go around and rape white women?

3. Ok serious question..... In what ways are black women marginalized in the black community and oppressed in the black community? I have my opinion, but I want to see it from your perspectives.

Why do you keep moving the issue from the marginalization of black women IN the black community, and at large, to black men's suffering at the hands of white supremacy? I feel like you're playing oppression olympics. There's a difference between sexualization and sexism. Sexism is like racism, if you're not the marginalized group, you're the one with the power. That's black men. I don't know if I would refer to black men being hypersexualized by whites as sexism but that's an interesting perspective. For me, I do believe the male is the head of household and the leader/protector/provider, but black women should be in partnership with the men, at the even level playing field. We should have our voices heard, and be represented in all platforms when it comes to any movements.

 

[Blackout]

Why do you keep moving the issue from the marginalization of black women IN the black community, and at large, to black men's suffering at the hands of white supremacy? I feel like you're playing oppression olympics. There's a difference between sexualization and sexism. Sexism is like racism, if you're not the marginalized group, you're the one with the power. That's black men. I don't know if I would refer to black men being hypersexualized by whites as sexism but that's an interesting perspective. For me, I do believe the male is the head of household and the leader/protector/provider, but black women should be in partnership with the men, at the even level playing field. We should have our voices heard, and be represented in all platforms when it comes to any movements.

Black media would be a powerful tool against sexism.