Womanhood

[Elle Driver]

No you can not just enter into womanhood. There are certain biological natural process that a woman just goes through. Women and men are not the same. As for male privilege? What male privilege? Race plays a large role in the privilege a man gets/ I guess if it's a white man becoming a white woman he is being brave.

There's definitely male privilege in the black community too, it's just not as large scale. That's obvious through every revolutionary movement such as the Black Panthers, women were pushed to the back, although we were pivotal to them.

 

[wet landscapes]

But do you think you can just enter into womanhood without even having the parts that even make a woman? It's like co opting whatever you think is womanhood and I have a problem with that. The fact that people call it "brave" says enough. You're literally choosing to forgo your male privilege to enter into the struggle of becoming a female, but they'll never understand.

Yeah they won't but I'm not really expecting someone who wasn't born a woman to really understand or represent biological womanhood

they have a psychological condition that has them with female brain patterns or a physical need for female hormones (seeing how estrogen has cured a few cases of trans body dysphoria)

if I'm thinking of female related issues, I'm not thinking of trans women but I do consider transwomen women if that makes sense
they're like cousins compared while biological women are sisters lol

 

[agnosticlady]

There's definitely male privilege in the black community too, it's just not as large scale. That's obvious through every revolutionary movement such as the Black Panthers, women were pushed to the back, although we were pivotal to them.

Pushed to the back in what ways? No, I am not trying to argue. If you can, please elaborate on that.

 

[Raava]

As it has been said in here already, it is having the female parts. This is not meant to offend, but it is to ask a deeper question and I am willing to listen to answers. What to a trans woman makes a woman, a woman? Brain patterns, between the sexes are very hard to study and a lot of that is theory.There are many different types of women that share different outward appearances, dress different ways, act different ways but physically and biologically they are women. That is why when it comes to the trans struggle, I ask what exactly is it that makes them feel like a woman and what a woman is? Because even down to body parts besides sexual organs women come in all shapes, sizes, and body types. It is even more than being outwardly feminine. There are some men who are more feminine than some females. Just like that trans male that had a baby. He/she is still a woman dressed as a man, she perform the main act that separates the sexes, how can she be a man? Even with all the hormonal treatment, therapy, she still had her reproductive organs and had a child. Come on. This is why even post op you can not recreate a menstrual cycle.

 

[bcrusaderw]

I think to be a woman means to be whatever you want it to be. As for trans women they'll never be female (a biological distinction), but they can be women (a social construct). Gender is a social construct used to keep society functioning. The problem is the rigidity of this system is harmful to the outliers, and honestly most people as a whole. Rigid guidelines to these things can be harmful.

 

[Taadow]

There's definitely male privilege in the black community too, it's just not as large scale. That's obvious through every revolutionary movement such as the Black Panthers, women were pushed to the back, although we were pivotal to them.

"Pushed to the back" in what sense?

 

[agnosticlady]

"Pushed to the back" in what sense?

I've been hearing that a lot and I don't understand it.

 

[Taadow]

I've been hearing that a lot and I don't understand it.

I think I have an idea of what she may mean, but i'd like to hear it from her
to confirm...

 

[SouthernBelle]

I've been thinking about this a lot too because transgenderism has been a hot topic lately. The essence of being a woman is not something that can simply be explained by putting on make up and dresses. In the same way, I feel that blackness can't simply be explained by complexion. Of course there is not a universal female experience, but the vast majority of females do share a lot. I don't necessarily tie an individual's womanhood to fertility but I do tie womanhood, broadly speaking, to life (the bringers of). Although, unfortunately, not everyone will get to experience carrying and delivering a child (some just don't want to), I can't act like I haven't sat in awe of the female body and what it is able to do.

I've never been pregnant (so I can't really say how fertile I am), but I've always thought that the ability, not necessarily the action, for females to give birth is unique and beautiful to us (even if we can't all experience it).

 

[Elle Driver]

Pushed to the back in what ways? No, I am not trying to argue. If you can, please elaborate on that.

"Pushed to the back" in what sense?

When it came to revolutionary contemporary pro black movements such as the Black Panther Party, women were pushed to the back. They didn't have much say, and they were behind the scenes. In many cases, they were exploited, abused, and treated like workhorses. That also led to it's own down fall. It's rarely discussed because black men don't like to discuss the fact that sexism is a problem in our community since y'all hold no power, but it is a problem that needs to be discussed. Eldridge Cleaver for example, held a lot of these views. I'm sure you're familiar with him. That's why "womanism" exists. It addresses the intersectionality between race and gender oppression, and our unique struggles as black women. Even now, all the so-called wanna be leaders and speakers are all men, men who refuse to discuss the problem of sexism in our community. It's just pushed to the back. Or we're simply told we swapped welfare for our men. Not realizing that although black men are victims of white supremacy, black women were also left with nothing. Y'all were stripped from us during slavery, and now it's the prison system, or y'all are just shot dead for no reason other than minding your own business and we have to pick up these pieces. And the latest movement "Black Lives Matter", how many of those "black lives" have been black women? Be honest and ask yourself that. We are expected to remain mum on those issues and merely focus on racism, but as a black woman, we struggle with both and we cannot strip our womanhood away much like our race. That's what I mean.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

I have no idea what womanhood is, just when I think I know something challenges my notions.

 

[bcrusaderw]

When it came to revolutionary contemporary pro black movements such as the Black Panther Party, women were pushed to the back. They didn't have much say, and they were behind the scenes. In many cases, they were exploited, abused, and treated like workhorses. That also led to it's own down fall. It's rarely discussed because black men don't like to discuss the fact that sexism is a problem in our community since y'all hold no power, but it is a problem that needs to be discussed. Eldridge Cleaver for example, held a lot of these views. I'm sure you're familiar with him. That's why "womanism" exists. It addresses the intersectionality between race and gender oppression, and our unique struggles as black women. Even now, all the so-called wanna be leaders and speakers are all men, men who refuse to discuss the problem of sexism in our community. It's just pushed to the back. Or we're simply told we swapped welfare for our men. Not realizing that although black men are victims of white supremacy, black women were also left with nothing. Y'all were stripped from us during slavery, and now it's the prison system, or y'all are just shot dead for no reason other than minding your own business and we have to pick up these pieces. And the latest movement "Black Lives Matter", how many of those "black lives" have been black women? Be honest and ask yourself that. We are expected to remain mum on those issues and merely focus on racism, but as a black woman, we struggle with both and we cannot strip our womanhood away much like our race. That's what I mean.

Eldridge Cleaver was rapist SCUM, and he was prominent in the party. How many of them knew, and did nothing? This would make an awesome Root thread. I have some links to women who were actually in the BPP, and what they have to say about the rampant sexism AND colorism imparted on the women.

 

[Elle Driver]

Eldridge Cleaver was rapist SCUM, and he was prominent in the party. How many of them new, and did nothing?

How many of the women in the party were raped?

And let me not even start on the colorism of that party. Look at his wife.

 

[bcrusaderw]

How many of the women in the party were raped?

And let me not even start on the colorism of that party. Look at his wife.

“i started out practicing on black girls in the ghetto where dark and vicious deeds appear not as aberrations or deviations from the norm, but as part of the sufficiency of the evil of a day. when i considered myself smooth enough, i crossed the tracks and sought out white prey. I did this consciously, deliberately, willfully, methodically.” “rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that i was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that i was defiling his women…i felt i was getting revenge. From the site of
the act of rape, consternation spread outwardly in concentric circles.
I wanted to send waves of consternation thoughout the white race.” “i know that the black man’s sick attitude toward the white woman is
a revolutionary sickness: It keeps him perpetually out of harmony with the
system that is oppressing him. Many whites flatter themselves with the idea that the negro male’s lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely an esthetic attraction, but nothing could be further from the truth. His motivation is often of such a bloody, hateful, bitter, and malignant nature that whites would really
be hard pressed to find it flattering.”

This is what that sick colorstruck rapist fukker had to say about raping black women. He basically said that they were practice for the white women that he truly desired, and he never apologized for the rapes. Hope he's rotting in hell.

 

[Blackout]

When it came to revolutionary contemporary pro black movements such as the Black Panther Party, women were pushed to the back. They didn't have much say, and they were behind the scenes. In many cases, they were exploited, abused, and treated like workhorses. That also led to it's own down fall. It's rarely discussed because black men don't like to discuss the fact that sexism is a problem in our community since y'all hold no power, but it is a problem that needs to be discussed. Eldridge Cleaver for example, held a lot of these views. I'm sure you're familiar with him. That's why "womanism" exists. It addresses the intersectionality between race and gender oppression, and our unique struggles as black women. Even now, all the so-called wanna be leaders and speakers are all men, men who refuse to discuss the problem of sexism in our community. It's just pushed to the back. Or we're simply told we swapped welfare for our men. Not realizing that although black men are victims of white supremacy, black women were also left with nothing. Y'all were stripped from us during slavery, and now it's the prison system, or y'all are just shot dead for no reason other than minding your own business and we have to pick up these pieces. And the latest movement "Black Lives Matter", how many of those "black lives" have been black women? Be honest and ask yourself that. We are expected to remain mum on those issues and merely focus on racism, but as a black woman, we struggle with both and we cannot strip our womanhood away much like our race. That's what I mean.

That's a touchy topic right there. While I do agree that sexism exists and should be addressed I'm hoping that this problem and the ways that we can fix it doesn't involve outsiders because right now the black community is too connected with outsiders which is an issue.