Nonsensical statement. One can be an atheist and an agnostic. I think what you mean to say is that strong atheism/theism will become a rarity. It's like that Socrates saying: The more you know, the more you realize you don't know.
Will God die out once we attain immortality?
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Nonsensical statement. One can be an atheist and an agnostic. I think what you mean to say is that strong atheism/theism will become a rarity. It's like that Socrates saying: The more you know, the more you realize you don't know.
good post up until here :belip:
Mr. Somebody
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You think human conciousness translates to you blacking out and then waking up like robocop in a human shell. You will need your brain in a jar spliced into a robot suit of some kind. What preserves your brain? Formaldahyde. What guarantees your brain will last in that fluid? Flesh decays at undeterminable rates. You will die, eventually. You will need technology to escape earth before the sun goes supernova. YOu will need to avoid the perils of space travel that could render your robot shell useless and send you hurtling through space forever, immortal, waiting to hit another planet in a few Deca-Trillion light years.
Good luck with that, friend. You dont want that life.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Thanks, friend.
Slaimon Khan Shah
SLAIMON KHAN SHAH = SHAOLIN MONK/S OF ISLAAM
THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, ALLAH, IS ETERNAL AND ABSOLUTE, AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYTHING UNTO LIKE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, ALLAH.
so breh
why is your PSN id Crakface? when its already been confirmed that crakface is a mowgli alias
somethins not addin up mowgli, or am i missin somethin here
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
so breh
why is your PSN id Crakface? when its already been confirmed that crakface is a mowgli alias
somethins not addin up mowgli, or am i missin somethin here
Crakface trolled me a lot. Probably some kind of sick joke. You know how these people are, friend.
OneManGang
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Have you studied nuclear chemistry? Your theory is flawed. I don't want to derail your thread, but just focusing on your original statement, I was right in pointing out that fusion is not infinite.
It is time we moved on from this fear of god and work towards improving our lives.
I don't think I understand what you mean. Agnostic - not knowing if God exist or not. Atheist - knowing that no God or creator or higher power exist.
I agree that atheism will become a rarity and I can clearly see why someone would guess that theism would become a rarity... but you can't be both atheist an agnostic, just like you can't be both theist and agnostic.
Also, theism has been around sense our species brains had it's first complex thoughts about ourselves and our environments. It's damn near a staple of humanity, whether it's true or not - it seems to be a natural symptom of humanity - having most of us believing in higher powers for 200, 000 years and counting.
Yes, you can actually. Just read the wiki link that was posted earlier: Agnostic atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The same applies to agnostic theism. Someone can admit that the existence of God is unknown, yet believe in it's existence. What I'm talking about (and probably the poster I quoted) is people who say they are certain that God exists/doesn't exist will decline. Whether that will go towards non-belief I cannot say for sure, but our generation is less religious than our parents, and they are less than theirs. I suspect this trend will continue as we learn more and more about the universe.
Well, I'm glad to see, at the very least, you accept that the Earth has been around for much longer than six to ten thousand years. Maybe that is true... maybe superstitious beliefs are just innately in the human psyche. But you have to take into account that the science behind this stuff is relatively new from a geological stand point. I mean, we are so much more technologically advanced than we were even a hundred years ago ... forget hundreds of thousands of years ago. And as we acquire more knowledge and develop more tools to solve the mystery of our past, I think people will be more willing to give up the mythology that they were taught as children. They'll realize that those stories were just ways to explain the universe when we were technologically unable to find the REAL answers. And again, I think society is already showing signs of trending that way.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
I never said that agnostic atheism will become a rarity.
Ok, just so you know... there is a reason that the wiki page is two words long. I use the terms, but truthfully there isn't a such thing as a agnostic atheist- as you can't both believe that there is no deity and at the same time leave room for the metaphysical possibilities. That person would be an agnostic agnostic. You can lean one way or the other, but you're still agnostic and not theist or atheist. Anyone can coin a phase but that doesn't make a contradictory phrase valid.
I believe there will be an increase in agnosticism. I think people, due to their lack of understanding of human nature, will be surprised at how little the percentage of atheism increases in the future. The major religions will naturally, due to customs, culture, parental influence, n conversions will increase in numbers as populations grow. There will be people who aren't atheist but don't necessarily believe in any religion.. spirituality is the one that is currently increasing and that along with agnosticism will increase.
The fact that you assume that most religious people believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old, is one of the main reasons atheism will not grow in large numbers. The proponents and loudest speakers of atheism are unattractive and a turn off for most humans. Random people have became atheist, but for the most part that will stay a minority on Earth. .... plus, the more we know the more we will wonder and leave room open for alternative possibilities, aka agnosticism will be the only one growing.
We haven't found the REAL answers to most of the problems, questions, and reasons that humans have developed religions in the first place. We've found answers to the 'observable results' of what religious people worship,- which is one of the reasons that many technological and scientific advances have been found and developed by religious people. It's also the reason why most of science and all of technology doesn't conflict with the majority of religious dogma. We can pretend to forget history so that we can ignore Christian and (mainly) Islamic scientist basically bringing the world from ignorance to advancement. Some of the very 'methods' that religious people are assumed to not understand were developed by Muslim scientist and biologist. And in the advanced so called civilized Western nations.... Islam is growing. Not just from immigration, but from random conversions. Society isn't trending away from Atheism or Theism, but towards an understanding that the two don't have to be in conflict and ( obvious) people see religious people throughout the various technology fields, they know that if they have to go to the hospital their nurse will more than likely be religious, despite the essays she was told to write in biology class, ....I mean, more theist are more responsible for us being able to communicate via internet than atheist. Not just the coders, but QA, BA, and PM's.
lmao, what are you talking about? Just because you say there's no such thing as agnostic atheism doesn't make it so. And just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. One, it's not like someone just made it up yesterday. It's a term that's been used now for over a century. And two, the notion that someone is both an atheist and an agnostic does not contradict. Obviously you don't understand the difference between knowledge and belief, and you don't understand what atheism is.
Okay, what justification do you have for these beliefs? Do you not agree that over the past century people have been leaving organized religion for non-belief?
I don't make such assumptions. I was only making an observation about you specifically. When did I ever say most religious people believe that??
Leaving room for alternate possibilities does not make it reasonable to believe in supernatural claims. I, like many other atheists, agree that it's possible that a deity is responsible for creating the universe. The difference is we realize that the time it's reasonable to believe a possibility is also reality is when it's supported by good evidence. Theists make the assumption that the god hypothesis is true, and sometimes close their eyes to the scientific findings that contradict that position. And they rationalize it by calling it "faith". Faith is not a pathway to truth.
Lastly, it doesn't matter that there are some attitudes from atheists that turn people off. There are plenty of actions from Christians & Muslims that turn members from those groups off too.... do you just abandon Islam because some people choose to suicide bomb in the name of Allah? No, that's foolish. Now, people may not accept the atheist label and choose some other term, and that's fine I suppose. There are plenty people who don't know anything about atheism other than what they've heard in the pews *cough cough*. But if they are deist or non-denominational or agnostic that's still one step away from organized religion, and one closer to my position -- Agnostic Atheism.
Okay this was exactly my point. We haven't found the real answers, so it's irrelevant if the scientists who are discovering these things currently believe in a god. The fact that Einstein and Lemaitre believed in some sort of deity does not come as a surprise when there was no prevailing alternative to the god hypothesis. But now that other scientists have built on their work, and found more evidence that supports Big Bang cosmology, it becomes more reasonable to accept these alternatives to god. Theists are not immune to having difficulty accepting alternate possibilities.
Interesting. Would like to see some data that supports this. And it's entirely possible for Islam and atheism to be growing simultaneously. Honestly, I don't know. Link it up.
Well, that's because it can't. If we agree that belief is an active process, then either an individual believes or does not. Agnosticism isn't some third option. If you claim to be an agnostic that doesn't follow any customs associated with a religion, and you don't think that the universe necessitates the existence of a god, then you are also a de facto atheist.
Again, none of this really matters on the topic of what might be in store for the future. These ideas about a universe without god are relatively new. How can you possibly think that religious belief as a whole will increase once we have more confirming evidence for the origins of the universe and evolution?