Will another boxer transcend the sport like tyson/ali?

[Lewis Black]

haye has the physical ability..dude is fast and has power but he doesn't have a fighter's heart

What you mean my breh?

 

[patscorpio]

but back to tyson..mike tyson is 47 years old..if he announced he would make a comeback now against a bum like he did againt peter mccneeley..the shyt would sell out plus have a high PPV buy rate..SRL, Oscar, and Floyd could never do that

 

[patscorpio]

What you mean my breh?

dude doesn't like to fight period..there's no reason why he's not ruling the heavyweight division right now...he's still in prime and yet fights once a year these days

 

[Lewis Black]

dude doesn't like to fight period..there's no reason why he's not ruling the heavyweight division right now...he's still in prime and yet fights once a year these days

I was so disappointed with his klitch performance. And what about that clown tyson fury, man if haye don't ko him in one round lol

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

I thought that haye dude was gonna bring back HW boxing....dudes a bum.

Hes too cautious and scared of defeat, you can thank Carl Thompson for that tho..

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Not to sidetrack the thread and turn it into " " vs " " But does transcend the sport because I'm on that.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

but back to tyson..mike tyson is 47 years old..if he announced he would make a comeback now against a bum like he did againt peter mccneeley..the shyt would sell out plus have a high PPV buy rate..SRL, Oscar, and Floyd could never do that

Yup its even more remarkable that Mike since he retired his image is at an all time high considering he was dispised (not sure if thats the right word for it) for a good 15 year period

 

[Lewis Black]

Not to sidetrack the thread and turn it into " " vs " " But does transcend the sport because I'm on that.

Thats a good question. The thing about pacman is that hands down dude is a top 5 exciting boxer. IMO only second to tyson in excitement.

Pac is just below ali/tyson imo, he on that SRL, FM, Holyfield etc level.

 

[Black_Jesus]

All hate aside seriously.. Floyd Mayweaather DID NOT and IS NOT transcending boxing...

Pacquiao is the closest imo

 

[Lewis Black]

All hate aside seriously.. Floyd Mayweaather DID NOT and IS NOT transcending boxing...

Pacquiao is the closest imo

about the same level imo.

 

[Black_Jesus]

about the same level imo.

From an international standpoint though??

One is loved and the other is hated

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Pacquiao transcended the sport of boxing. Mayweather never will. Hes too afraid to find out how great he is.

 

[Lewis Black]

From an international standpoint though??

One is loved and the other is hated

Same level. Both are the biggest things in boxing today. Love/hate them it don't matter.

Lennox Lewis was loved but he was not on tysons level..... nah.

Pacquiao transcended the sport of boxing. Mayweather never will. Hes too afraid to find out how great he is.

No.

If pac has then mayweather has too. I don't think either of them have.

 

[Majestic Pape]

tyson was different from every other legendary champion in boxing other than jack dempsey because he could knock people out so devastatingly fight after fight. it created an aura of perfection and invincibility. jack dempsey said in his book about boxing technique that the only reason the common man wanted to watch boxing was the phenomena of the knock out.

the heavyweight division is a good division for that because heavyweights are much larger and it takes much more energy to move around a large body. my theory is that a heavyweight doesnt punch much harder than any other fighter from any other division but because they are so large they have much worse reaction times and reflexes and they are therefore much more likely to get hit flush than a smaller and quicker fighter. unlike smaller and quicker fighters heavyweights get tired much quicker because they are so large and heavy. this makes their reaction times and reflexes even worse and therefore their ability to take a punch much worse. i think one of the biggest secrets of boxing is that heavyweights actually have really really bad chins.

i think mike tyson exposed this because, as a smaller and quicker heavyweight, he was able to exploit the much weaker reaction times and reflxes innate to the fighters of this weight division.

so if i a fighter is going to transcend the sport again i think he will have to 1. be able to knock people out in a devastating way to capture the public imagination and 2. feast on a steady supply big and slow heavyweights

 

[Majestic Pape]

If mayweather was a heavyweight he would be 5x bigger then he is now in terms of popularity.

Nah, not fighting the way he does.

Heavyweights that are the knockout artists are the ones that get the incredible love.