Will AD get his first MVP Lakers?

[10bandz]

So when Kareem led the Lakers in points, rebounds, blocks, and FG% and was a dominant defensive player, should he have been getting more MVP votes than Magic? But he didn't.

And that's especially hilarious because Kareem was averaging way more points than Magic and Magic was a shytty defender. Yet Magic STILL got more MVP votes than Kareem those years. Whereas AD only averages 1ppg more than LeBron and LeBron is playing great defense.




So Kobe and Shaq were never top-5 MVP candidates at the same time?

Stop saying misleading shyt. Magic didn’t win MVP until 87 and they had already won 3 titles together up until that point. Kareem won MVP Magic’s rookie season. Magic had better stats than Kareem when he won his first MVP.

You’re such a faq smh

 

[10bandz]

Magic 1987 MVP season:

Magic - 23ppg
Kareem - 17ppg

Rhakim a fakkit yall

 

[10bandz]

This guy claim Kareem has better stats when Magic won MVP. 1987 Magic had better stats, 1989 Kareem was in his last season, 1990 Kareem wasn’t even there

Rhakim should’ve been WOAT y’all missed an opportunity there.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Its Giannis and its not even close

 

[Fortunate Lee]

Without AD that record would be like 35-25 or some shyt, so I’ll give him that

But Bron is the best player on that team still, let’s stop it

 

[MostReal]

The fact that AD is listed in the top 5 alone should eliminate bron off the list based off the KD/Steph criteria

Then when you factor in AD is a top 2 DPOY candidate....

breh I never looked at it like that, but that's certainly what they did to Steph and KD. The stats were also "the reason" why Steph shouldn't win FMVP over KD because KD had better stats but Steph would be argued to be more important to the team.

Wait a guide Damn minute where are the Rachel Nichols and cronies at. they supposed to be cancelling out LeBron/AD from the MVP race totally just like the did Steph and KD.

 

[MostReal]

Its Giannis and its not even close

why is AD not being considered? I think AD deserves some consideration breh has the Lakers as the number 1 seed when they didn't even make the playoffs last year with LeBron leading the way.

 

[Fortunate Lee]

breh I never looked at it like that

So u like to play dumb huh..that was the whole purpose of this thread

 

[Professor Emeritus]

AD is a Power Forward, you're asking him to setup plays and do things that is not entailed in his position. His job is to block shots, score in the paint, provide spacing, rebound and the leading in steals is even crazier when usually that's what guards do.

We saw what a LeBron no AD Laker team looked like last season, no playoffs. AD has this team rolling this year.

LeBron is a power forward too if we're keeping it real, he can just do more. Which is why he's more valuable.

And Lakers were 1.5 games out of 1st place and had just rolled the Warriors when LeBron got hurt (with Lonzo and BI following soon after). GTFO talking like they wouldn't have made the playoffs with a healthy Bron.

that's sad, AD is not receiving the credit he deserves, no way you lead a team in that many statistical categories and not get Lion's share of the credit.
NBA media needs to start paying attention to AD's work. This will not be good for team chemistry in the long run imo.

Like I already pointed out, Kareem had seasons where he led in all those categories and Magic still got more of the credit.

LeBron and AD are pretty much the same in points, rebounds, steals, and FG%, so acting like AD has some big "lead" there is silly. LeBron averages way more assists (and is much more important to the offense) while AD averages way more blocks (and is much more important to the defense).

The clincher is that the Lakers are great without AD on the court but they suck without LeBron on the court. LeBron can provide enough defense to cover for AD but AD can't provide enough offense to cover for LeBron. And LeBron is a far more valuable leader than AD. So in the end he's clearly more valuable.

LBJ & AD +10.2
Just LBJ +11.7
Just AD -3.7
How can you even begin to argue that?

Wait a guide Damn minute where are the Rachel Nichols and cronies at. they supposed to be cancelling out LeBron/AD from the MVP race totally just like the did Steph and KD.

Steph and KD had a loaded team in ADDITION to having each other. They split the scoring 3 ways with Klay, split the distribution responsibilities 3 ways with Draymond, and neither one was a top-3 defender on the team. Either one of them could go to sleep for an entire game and they'd usually roll the opponent anyway. Situation isn't even remotely comparable.

Why didn't you comment on my examples of Kobe/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, West/Wilt, and West/Baylor?

I could give a dozen or more examples of other NBA players who finished near the top of the MVP race while another teammate was top-5.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

AD is having an MVP type season, but being Lebron’s teammate means you automatically receive less credit for team success...hence AD not getting any serious consideration...Bron media bias is a powerful thing...Giannis is basically a hybrid bron/ad, has the best PER in history, Bucks are close to 70 wins and has the best point differential in history...and the media is STILL trying to force Bron in there

 

[10bandz]

LeBron is a power forward too if we're keeping it real, he can just do more. Which is why he's more valuable.

And Lakers were 1.5 games out of 1st place and had just rolled the Warriors when LeBron got hurt (with Lonzo and BI following soon after). GTFO talking like they wouldn't have made the playoffs with a healthy Bron.




Like I already pointed out, Kareem had seasons where he led in all those categories and Magic still got more of the credit.

LeBron and AD are pretty much the same in points, rebounds, steals, and FG%, so acting like AD has some big "lead" there is silly. LeBron averages way more assists (and is much more important to the offense) while AD averages way more blocks (and is much more important to the defense).

The clincher is that the Lakers are great without AD on the court but they suck without LeBron on the court. LeBron can provide enough defense to cover for AD but AD can't provide enough offense to cover for LeBron. And LeBron is a far more valuable leader than AD. So in the end he's clearly more valuable.

LBJ & AD +10.2
Just LBJ +11.7
Just AD -3.7
How can you even begin to argue that?





Steph and KD had a loaded team in ADDITION to having each other. They split the scoring 3 ways with Klay, split the distribution responsibilities 3 ways with Draymond, and neither one was a top-3 defender on the team. Either one of them could go to sleep for an entire game and they'd usually roll the opponent anyway. Situation isn't even remotely comparable.

Why didn't you comment on my examples of Kobe/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, West/Wilt, and West/Baylor?

I could give a dozen or more examples of other NBA players who finished near the top of the MVP race while another teammate was top-5.

Why don’t you comment on your misleading statements concerning Magic’s MVP years in relation to Kareem you fukking cornball

 

[THE MACHINE]

why is AD not being considered? I think AD deserves some consideration breh has the Lakers as the number 1 seed when they didn't even make the playoffs last year with LeBron leading the way.

I think they are factoring in LeBrons career when considering last year. They were doing well before he got hurt. Bron is also playing like a top 5ish MVP candidate scoring 25/game and leading the league in assists. Lakers are also 5-2 without AD.
Giannis: 29/14/6 on 55% shooting (31 minutes)
Top 3 dpoy candidate
Team has the best record in the league
No superstar teammate
3-0 vs the LA teams

And AD is top 5 in voting on lots of lists so its not like hes not being considered, just a few guys ahead of him.

 

[MostReal]

LeBron is a power forward too if we're keeping it real, he can just do more. Which is why he's more valuable.

And Lakers were 1.5 games out of 1st place and had just rolled the Warriors when LeBron got hurt (with Lonzo and BI following soon after). GTFO talking like they wouldn't have made the playoffs with a healthy Bron.




Like I already pointed out, Kareem had seasons where he led in all those categories and Magic still got more of the credit.

LeBron and AD are pretty much the same in points, rebounds, steals, and FG%, so acting like AD has some big "lead" there is silly. LeBron averages way more assists (and is much more important to the offense) while AD averages way more blocks (and is much more important to the defense).

The clincher is that the Lakers are great without AD on the court but they suck without LeBron on the court. LeBron can provide enough defense to cover for AD but AD can't provide enough offense to cover for LeBron. And LeBron is a far more valuable leader than AD. So in the end he's clearly more valuable.

LBJ & AD +10.2
Just LBJ +11.7
Just AD -3.7
How can you even begin to argue that?





Steph and KD had a loaded team in ADDITION to having each other. They split the scoring 3 ways with Klay, split the distribution responsibilities 3 ways with Draymond, and neither one was a top-3 defender on the team. Either one of them could go to sleep for an entire game and they'd usually roll the opponent anyway. Situation isn't even remotely comparable.

Why didn't you comment on my examples of Kobe/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, West/Wilt, and West/Baylor?

I could give a dozen or more examples of other NBA players who finished near the top of the MVP race while another teammate was top-5.

Lebron only missed 17 games last year, same as Kawhi Leonard

Lakers are pretty loaded on the defensive side of the ball as a team too. You got Bradley and Green top perimeter defenders in the NBA, then you got Rondo another good perimeter defender off the bench. on top of having all time Shot blockers in AD and Dwight Howard with a JaVale Magee to boot. LeBron himself is a great help defender with his leaping ability, height and speed.
LBJ doesn't have to spend any energy on defense anymore because he's surrounded by elite talent now.

 

[Hammer]

his worst numbers in 2-3 years...so no

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Lebron only missed 17 games last year, same as Kawhi Leonard

Uh, LeBron missed 27 games last year. And Ingram missed 30 games, Lonzo missed 35, and damn near everyone else on the squad missed 10-15.

Plus Lebron was clearly nowhere near 100% after he came back from those 27 missed games. Whereas Kawhi was plenty healthy and skipped those games SO he could play the rest of them at 100%.


But the biggest difference? Raptors went 17-5 in the 22 games Kawhi missed. Lakers went 9-18 in the 27 games LeBron missed and 5-13 in the first 18 games after he came back from injury. THAT is why the Lakers missed the playoffs last year.