WHY WANDA VISION COULD SPELL THE BEGINNING OF:

[Jello Biafra]

Writer JB? I’m not sure who he is, this is before my time, what was the storyline about? I can barely understand what you are saying my brother.

John Byrne was one of the hottest artists in the game back in the day and he took over the West Coast Avengers comic with issue #42 and basically dedicated almost the entirety of his 15 issue run on the book with breaking up Vision and Scarlet Witch as a couple.

Other writers had spent years humanizing Vision to the point he was able to marry Scarlet Witch and then have twins with her and Byrne deaded all of that.

He had Vision destroyed and rebuilt back to factory setting without any of his human emotions or memories of being in love with Scarlet Witch.
He made the twin children Vision and Scarlet Witch had end up being magic objects Scarlet Witch created subconsciously and then made them vanish.
Then he had Scarlet Witch have a breakdown and become evil for a stretch.

It is from that story by Byrne that the idea that Scarlet Witch was a basket case became one of the character's defining characteristics and was the impetus for what Bendis did with her in House of M.

 

[Art Barr]

John Byrne was one of the hottest artists in the game back in the day and he took over the West Coast Avengers comic with issue #42 and basically dedicated almost the entirety of his 15 issue run on the book with breaking up Vision and Scarlet Witch as a couple.

Other writers had spent years humanizing Vision to the point he was able to marry Scarlet Witch and then have twins with her and Byrne deaded all of that.

He had Vision destroyed and rebuilt back to factory setting without any of his human emotions or memories of being in love with Scarlet Witch.
He made the twin children Vision and Scarlet Witch had end up being magic objects Scarlet Witch created subconsciously and then made them vanish.
Then he had Scarlet Witch have a breakdown and become evil for a stretch.

It is from that story by Byrne that the idea that Scarlet Witch was a basket case became one of the character's defining characteristics and was the impetus for what Bendis did with her in House of M.

this.
ruined marvel, west coast avengers and subsequently lead to the destructuon of marvel as well.
to the point,...we don't know if he tried to institute any of this. So he could sabotage dc and marvel. As both his run on superman and west coast avengers. Created the catalyst that ruined both mags. Which eventually spawned the content which would kill the readership of both companies as well. Where only a hack noob.
who does not know comics like bendis. Would delve further Into Pandora's box.

good.
I did not wanna be the person who revealed the full content of vision quest. I wanted to know if any user could supply this.
own shot one kill rant too.

prolific posting, @Jello Biafra

you did tha deal here,....close thread.

thank tha Lawd someone knows around here.


jello dug in the comic crate.

art barr

 

[Peter Popoff]

House of M?

Definitely.

 

[Mowgli]

they have to explain how they're tying different mcus together. Wanda will will mutants and new villains into 616.

Hopefully everything ends with one pimp slap from vision

 

[Majestyx]

maybe they'll have a wonder man cameo in there somewhere

 

[Kaydigi]

They still hoping to get that Black Widow movie in theater aren’t they? Maybe a China contract issue?

 

[Shogun]

i know this because i was a outsider art self taught prodigious art student sir.

Heat

 

[johnnydakota]

This thread is full of gems.

 

[Art Barr]

This thread is full of gems.

Dawg,....
When bryne came on this book and literally destroyed comics with this Pandora's box. Some shyt you are taught in comic book school not to do.
Man,....talk about ignorant covert narcissistic conceit.
Just sheer bravado to take over the real beloved avengers book west coast avengers. Which was a baby too. I was a baby in collecting month to month. as a real serious month to month collector and reader at this time too. That wca in totality by the time bryne came on all together. Was only like 49 issue including the limited serious. So it was approaching two milestone issues. 45 and 50th issue. That by the time bryne came on. The readership of wca. Just thought we were going to go into a high quality read.
That by the time bryne got to issue 43. It was obvious overnight bryne made wca one of the worst rags the rack. Since jello let the full cat out the bag. While i took originally not to spoil the series. For future readers. or collectors or the viewers of the mcu or wca future readers.

One because he totally retroacted a beloved character for no reason. Except to create a Phoenix genocide angle. That does not result in the death of jean grey in place of wanda. Who is supposed to die because of genocide like the phoenix performed. Except for even worse wanda's own babies.
You can't make this up. Plus he destroyed vision. That vision getting killed on screen in the movie in the year two thousand whatever dropped. You are like whatever. That is how much bryne killed comix with this move. To try to write himself around keepin a dark haired chick who killed in a way they can not be reprocessed with some kernal of virtue like the wca were all in some way.

Hopefully in this series. They take care cause if not.




Art Barr

 

[Days of Future Piff]

Late to the party and I’m on my lunch break at work, so I’ll keep it brief.

The Jim Shooter years (1979-86) were peak Marvel, and if the MCU is going to fall off hard if it strays too far from that era (or the original Lee/Kirby years).

All of these confusing alternate timelines, overly heavy handed politics, fanboy writers, and played out faux-Watchmen new millennium fanfiction are really not the wave.

Cockrum/Claremont/Byrne/Smith X-men >
John Byrne Fantastic Four >
Frank Miller Daredevil >
Walt Simonson Thor >
pre-Clone Saga Spider-man >

Stick to the OG comic runs from the Stan Lee and Jim Shooter eras where the heroes were heroes and the villains were villains.

And no, only writing the films based on comicsexplained videos fromYouTube and their vague memories of the 90s cartoons doesn’t count—they gotta do their homework and put some respect on the source material.

note: politics in comics can be cool when it’s done the right way (Like in Chris Claremont’s run on X-men for example), but the way a lot of these modern writers approach politics is just... terrible.

It only works when you do it in a way that still respects the characters and the readers.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Late to the party and I’m on my lunch break at work, so I’ll keep it brief.

The Jim Shooter years (1979-86) were peak Marvel, and if the MCU is going to fall off hard if it strays too far from that era (or the original Lee/Kirby years).

All of these confusing alternate timelines, overly heavy handed politics, fanboy writers, and played out faux-Watchmen new millennium fanfiction are really not the wave.

Cockrum/Claremont/Byrne/Smith X-men >
John Byrne Fantastic Four >
Frank Miller Daredevil >
Walt Simonson Thor >
pre-Clone Saga Spider-man >

Stick to the OG comic runs from the Stan Lee and Jim Shooter eras where the heroes were heroes and the villains were villains.

And no, only writing the films based on comicsexplained videos fromYouTube and their vague memories of the 90s cartoons doesn’t count—they gotta do their homework and put some respect on the source material.

note: politics in comics can be cool when it’s done the right way (Like in Chris Claremont’s run on X-men for example), but the way a lot of these modern writers approach politics is just... terrible.

It only works when you do it in a way that still respects the characters and the readers.

Kevin Feige knows everything about Marvel comics.

 

[Jello Biafra]

this.
ruined marvel, west coast avengers and subsequently lead to the destructuon of marvel as well.
to the point,...we don't know if he tried to institute any of this. So he could sabotage dc and marvel. As both his run on superman and west coast avengers. Created the catalyst that ruined both mags. Which eventually spawned the content which would kill the readership of both companies as well. Where only a hack noob.
who does not know comics like bendis. Would delve further Into Pandora's box.

good.
I did not wanna be the person who revealed the full content of vision quest. I wanted to know if any user could supply this.
own shot one kill rant too.

prolific posting, @Jello Biafra

you did tha deal here,....close thread.

thank tha Lawd someone knows around here.


jello dug in the comic crate.

art barr

Byrne's run on WCA was weird.

He destroyed the long term relationship between Scarlet Witch and Vision
Erased about 2 decades of character growth for Vision
Turned Wonder Man into a whiny simp
He completely ignored the prior 40 something issues of WCA that had shown Hawkeye to be a capable team leader and took him back to being a hothead who nobody listened to.
Turned Tigra into more cat like creature to the point she was eating mice she found around the WCA compound.

I think the only character he didn't write badly in that run was Hank Pym. He had Hank on point as being one of the smartest dude's in the Marvel Universe and had everyone he interacted with respecting him and looking to him for leadership. Plus he had him and Wasp boning again.

 

[Art Barr]

Byrne's run on WCA was weird.

He destroyed the long term relationship between Scarlet Witch and Vision
Erased about 2 decades of character growth for Vision
Turned Wonder Man into a whiny simp
He completely ignored the prior 40 something issues of WCA that had shown Hawkeye to be a capable team leader and took him back to being a hothead who nobody listened to.
Turned Tigra into more cat like creature to the point she was eating mice she found around the WCA compound.

I think the only character he didn't write badly in that run was Hank Pym. He had Hank on point as being one of the smartest dude's in the Marvel Universe and had everyone he interacted with respecting him and looking to him for leadership. Plus he had him and Wasp boning again.

@Jello Biafra

agreed in everything here.
yet he ruin p'ym by remacking wasp.
As he delved the readership back into battered wife syndrome. When it did not need to. It was like he was some disgruntled hermit or bad break divorcee. Acting and lashing out in print . similar to that hack quesada running marvel. Who like bryne had no wherewithal. About what hero and world building were any longer to never did. Which is where and why the shooter years are always referred back to. Yet not processed accurrately because of the unsaid.
or said controversy there as well.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Kevin Feige knows everything about Marvel comics.

Not at all.

As we would not be enduring this.
Plus there would be no gay heroes or there roman hepatheus lifestyle proposed at all. Let alone hired in the realm as far as actors as well. Considering the virtue basis of the gateway license and property as well.

He got lucky with thanos. By just eliminating a certain character. To make thanos androgynous wrongly. Yet it works because feige at that point.
did not delve into the origins of said charwcter and just needed to leave the marvel universe ground in the ideal of lee creating the xmen and the dialectic xavier and magneto. as the mutant comic whitefaced equivalent of martin vs malcolm. posed as the only political hard to grasp concepts. All becauee if he knew marvel. He would not propose any hardcore kirby nostalgia explains the universe material. besides the one stan lee is the one who is above all trope visual sighting. Instead..we are about to rehash. The same idiocy that ruined marvel and we will see if it is good.

As it will hit that snag. That if there is no better than jim shooter virtue editorial type around to police this. It could collapse in on itself. Of which we know disney has and will do and will fukk it all up. Till they can misappropriate another license or japanese anime company. To try to parrot it as their original creation. which may not work this time around. As we have the internet to communicate with japan. Past the underground trading communities of the past conjecture and hearsay. Trading beta and imported copies of visual contraband.


So far after wandavision.

All i see is the makings of what ruined marvel being handled.
By a child who was not able to watch old cartoons.
Who does not know a skull and crossbones means death.

 

[RajWatts]

After 2 episodes? Nah

once this show is complete + multiverse of madness + spiderman 3

then maybe this prophecy is believable