Why tupac feared hatian jack the biggest gangsta in hip hop history

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I honestly have no idea... I just like to speak on the shyt I know and seen but I don't think Meech was in the extortion game, he was making a ton of money moving dope. I think he was using him to get ahead in the music business and networking in hopes of getting that distribution deal.

i think that is a False Accusation leveled at the BMF camp because of mistaken identity.....

this is NOT the Black Mafia that Haitian helped form in NYC back in the days....and this is not that OTHER Black Mafia led by the Muslims of the Philly mosque that was extorting and providing the "muscle" for Philadelphia International i.e (gamble and huff, billy paul, teddy p. , harold melvin)


also consider that because the powers that be in the Music Industry despised and feared an indy movement with that much money and influence in the industry.

They weren't looking for a Deal or even a joint venture from the majors, what BMF wanted was total autonomy....the Majors didn't like that...even LA Reid when he signed Jeezy was leery of them....when Jeezy spoke of how he walked in with a offical Jacob the Jeweler rose gold jewelry set matching watch and all, not long after he flew down a A&R and drove her around ATL in his porsche , that LA Reid sat him down and told him "what ever you doing STOP WHAT YOU DOING...I GOT YOU"

That type of mysterious financial empowerment scared the industry...these guys had big budget videos that never made it to MTV much less BET because of fear, which is where diddy had to come in via Meech to "walk jeezy" thru the door, cause the industry didn't wanna deal with Meech.

Just like Meech said...he got picked up ironically just a few days after Jeezy went platinum, just as he thought he made it..."they pulled him back in"..

so it is DEEPER THAN RAP

You have to realize Meech has a great relationship with virtually every boss in the game over the past 2 decades from Diddy to JPrince to Suge....

they (the jewish elite) were fully aware of the plans first forged by David Hyatt to form a black owned music DISTRIBUTION NETWORK independent of the big 4 record labels at the time......

every one who was in on that plan had the feds on they ass....

and Tupac was no different ...his "ONE NATION" album was much in the line of Larry Hoover and Big Meech's vision of getting street niccas from all areas and gang sets on one accord economically.

this plan was refrenced in Det. Poole's account in the book entitled the "LABRYNITH" detailing the background stories on the murder of pac and big and the LAPD

Meech was about empowering artists...that's why so many artists have respect and associated with him....because his movement united so many bossed up street niccas to make money together...then why not get these hoe ass rappers to do the same...but that's what happens when u deal with hoe ass mentalities.....things self destruct


"let's get somebody from BMF to talk on it!" - "DEATH OF AUTOTUNE" jay-z

particularly Jeezy..he seen how political not only the music industry was , but Atlanta at the time, where you couldn't even get a name out thier for yourself if the strip club deejays wasn't bumping your shyt....

that's the only thing Meech took credit for is taking his resources to "pay off" deejays to get his name out thier....

It was Meech that not only provided him the connections in the form of Drama and Diddy and the plethora of strip club deejays and promoters, but he also help give validation to his "trap or die bossed up lifestyle" with the jewelry and cars....



sadly Jeezy didn't hold up his end of the relationship, and it wasn't like they were forcing him, it's been like that since the time he was "leasing" cars from the BMF dealership in Orlando

pg 127...
Yogi had brought Omari up to speed on matters involving the rapper Young Jeezy. She claimed that Jeezy was behind on payments for his Lamborghini, which he'd gotten from the dealership in Orlando that secured cars such as Ferraris, Lambos and the like on a regular basis for BMF.

The owner of the shop was Eric "Swift" Whaley a 350 lb man with a heart condition that rendered him a far cry from the image that his nicknamed conjured.

Yogi was clearly getting a kick out of the situation..."Jeezy called me talking bout, "Let me tell you what that punk ass Swift did."..I said..."i know-he took your car".

"Yep ...he (Jeezy) running around here telling everybody Swift didn't have his paperwork straight"- Yogi said. The car she claimed had been impounded.

"Jeezy just ain't made a muthaphuking car payment in like 5 months", Yogi continued.
"Swift told him the only way he can get it back is if he pay it all the way off...Jeezy said.."That's fukked up..No i'm gonna get the Modena (Porsche)!"

i said "Okay Hollywood" - Yogi

"I ain't never heard no shyt like that" - Omari

"Isn't it crazy? N1ggas be frontin one way and s1t...mmmm, mmm rappers -Yogi

Google Books
/books?id=xdjQaCFJ9N8C&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=jeezy+ain't+made+a+car+payment&source=bl&ots=gfy9qtc4DS&sig=5Aqhcdb19_PgVhKnxdW_Aut_g0U&sa=X&ei=Hz0xUKvqNYbo8gSqtoCQBQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=jeezy%20ain't%20made%20a%20car%20payment&f=false


so how in the world could BMF benifit from extorting a "rapper" when his deal is based on credit and advances and he struggled to make payments on a luxury car???

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

Oh yeah, dope boys have money but most of them are enamored with rappers and ball players. They like to just be around pro athletes and famous people in general. Alot of these ball players are straight from the hood and these drug dealers were around them coming up and kind of supported them and they just like to see a nikka make it out. Then it turns because pro athletes are dumb with their money and start going broke and then they turn back to the nieghborhood nikkas on some, "I'm gonna give you 100 stacks to flip for me" type shyt.

When I was in college one of my nikkas sold dope (RIP) and that nikka liked to just come on campus to visit a nikka. I know they liked fukking the hoes too but the nikka was genuinely proud of me, he was a few years older than me and that nikka used to tell me all the time I was doing my thing and to keep it straight.

real ish......seen this with david terrel in richmond va......its come out that dt was the one to give up sam hurd when he got jammed up......note to athletes:u cant drive bentleys through the projects without law enforcement taking a notice

 

[newarkhiphop]

Whoever wrote that is watching too many movies.

What happened was pac needed money and was doing songs with as much artist he could work with and Jimmy Henchman was managing Little Shawn and offered pac $5,000 to do the song but when pac was on his way to do the song in the studio Jimmy didn't have the money and pac cursed him out and yelled at him which Jimmy felt was an insult so he called pac and told him he had the money when in actuality he called the Brooklyn stick up kids to get the jewelry back that he and jack spent on him. He probably planned to have pac get robbed and then pay him the money. In other words he got his money back. t was an incident that was unplanned. Pac got shot because he fought back.

Also, pac was in trouble with the police after shooting the off duty cops in Atlanta and getting off and they wanted him for that plus they felt he condoned shooting police after a guy shot a state trooper and said the pac song made him do it. This is why when pac got shot he stated the cop that arrested him in the rape case was the first one to show up to the scene and asked him "how's it hanging", trying to be sarcastic. The rape case was a set up from the police through jack because the chick was jacks and jimmy's friend and they fukked her when pac was sleep and she said he did it which is obviously a set up and the robbery and shooting was from pac talking to jimmy crazy and jimmy not being able to play pac by not paying him. There is nothing more to it.

I have heard A LOT of versions of both these stories and most have sounded about the same minus or plus one or two details but i have never ever not once read something as far off as the way you just mentioned , especially the robbery.

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

Here's an article on Vibe from March 1998, talks about "ZIP", Puffy hiring crips etc..

Vibe - Google Books

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

"Why tupac feared hatian jack the biggest gangsta"

I've stopped being shocked by bread-n-buttaz post. From his random cousin knowing that tupac got raped, hit em up had no effect in new york, tupac repping west la etc. Dude don't understand that hatian jack was working for the police.....THE POLICE. Dude rebuttle is "Yeah he worked for the cops.....but he was a real gangsta " My dude he wouldn't have done 90% of that gangsta shyt if he never had police protection and backing. That's not gangster.

 

[Lewis Black]

How old are you? Since you wanna call out people being young when pac was alive, what's ya age? don't dodge the question cos I know you reading it right now

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

They couldn't prosecute Meech of the "murder" of Wolf, based on the fact Meech had no weapon on him and always had shooters with him

the DEA and the Justice Department has always been trying to pin "bodies" on meech, cause they could never place him with the "dope" since he been on the radar in 94'....they been on him since the murder of that DEA informant on Buford Highway in ATL during the T. Stuckney trial....the same Stuckney from Detroit whom Proof and Trick Trick ran with....


....they charged Bull instead but it was dropped based on the fact that it was Self Defense..Wolf was the aggressor and drew first.....

and that OG CRIP you referring to "ZIP" and he is NOT in BMF and is actually OLDER than Meech....

He just happened to be at that same venue (miami VMA awards) and has a relationship with Suge as well, he was the one that first introduced Game to Suge , after Diddy passed on him but being that Suge couldn't secure any distribution deal other than a Koch venture....Zip passed him on to Interscope...

Suge got shot by thinking Bu (akon's brother) from the Konvict Camp was a pushover....Suge and the Konvict Camp have had a long running feud...

all the bosses have ties with each other based on the fact that they all have mutual affiliations and "bosses" in the streets.......it's just business to them..sadly the artists are the pawns who take this shyt personally mostly because thier "broke" and haven't been truly empowered by "the bosses" ....and end up being sacrificied like lambs.

are we talking bout eric von zip from harlem the oldtime gangsta? wow... i knew he was tight with meech on a biz level but not that tight

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

How old are you? Since you wanna call out people being young when pac was alive, what's ya age? don't dodge the question cos I know you reading it right now

fugg outta here clown...if you wanna read my post do that ive given my age b4 .........i feel no need to give it you just because you asking me like u the feds niccuh so kick rocks

 

[bouncy]

I have heard A LOT of versions of both these stories and most have sounded about the same minus or plus one or two details but i have never ever not once read something as far off as the way you just mentioned , especially the robbery.

I'm telling you that is what happened. I remember when pac got robbed and hearing about who did it in the barbershop a few days after if not the next day, I can't remember exactly.

Pac explained the rest in the vibe magazine article before he went to prison. I had it and remember reading it, thinking to myself things really do get around quick in NYC because I knew where the people who robbed him was from and pac stated he thought the robbers were from brooklyn becayuse they wore camouflage.

Most of the version on the net are exaggerated stories that sound good for a movie but aren't the real thing. Like the BMF extorting puffin and getting pac shot because he didn't want to sign with them or puff which is some bullshyt and the Honorable SKJ explained it perfectly.

 

[newarkhiphop]

I'm telling you that is what happened. I remember when pac got robbed and hearing about who did it in the barbershop a few days after if not the next day, I can't remember exactly.

Pac explained the rest in the vibe magazine article before he went to prison. I had it and remember reading it, thinking to myself things really do get around quick in NYC because I knew where the people who robbed him was from and pac stated he thought the robbers were from brooklyn becayuse they wore camouflage.

Most of the version on the net are exaggerated stories that sound goo dfor a movie but isn't the real thing. Like the BMF extorting puffin and getting pac shot because he didn't want to sign with them or puff which is some bullshyt and the Honorable SKJ explained it perfectly.

i have a link to that vibe article i dont remember reading that at all , ill up it later

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

i think that is a False Accusation leveled at the BMF camp because of mistaken identity.....

this is NOT the Black Mafia that Haitian helped form in NYC back in the days....and this is not that OTHER Black Mafia led by the Muslims of the Philly mosque that was extorting and providing the "muscle" for Philadelphia International i.e (gamble and huff, billy paul, teddy p. , harold melvin)


also consider that because the powers that be in the Music Industry despised and feared an indy movement with that much money and influence in the industry.

They weren't looking for a Deal or even a joint venture from the majors, what BMF wanted was total autonomy....the Majors didn't like that...even LA Reid when he signed Jeezy was leery of them....when Jeezy spoke of how he walked in with a offical Jacob the Jeweler rose gold jewelry set matching watch and all, not long after he flew down a A&R and drove her around ATL in his porsche , that LA Reid sat him down and told him "what ever you doing STOP WHAT YOU DOING...I GOT YOU"

That type of mysterious financial empowerment scared the industry...these guys had big budget videos that never made it to MTV much less BET because of fear, which is where diddy had to come in via Meech to "walk jeezy" thru the door, cause the industry didn't wanna deal with Meech.

Just like Meech said...he got picked up ironically just a few days after Jeezy went platinum, just as he thought he made it..."they pulled him back in"..

so it is DEEPER THAN RAP

You have to realize Meech has a great relationship with virtually every boss in the game over the past 2 decades from Diddy to JPrince to Suge....

they (the jewish elite) were fully aware of the plans first forged by David Hyatt to form a black owned music DISTRIBUTION NETWORK independent of the big 4 record labels at the time......

every one who was in on that plan had the feds on they ass....

and Tupac was no different ...his "ONE NATION" album was much in the line of Larry Hoover and Big Meech's vision of getting street niccas from all areas and gang sets on one accord economically.

this plan was refrenced in Det. Poole's account in the book entitled the "LABRYNITH" detailing the background stories on the murder of pac and big and the LAPD

Meech was about empowering artists...that's why so many artists have respect and associated with him....because his movement united so many bossed up street niccas to make money together...then why not get these hoe ass rappers to do the same...but that's what happens when u deal with hoe ass mentalities.....things self destruct


"let's get somebody from BMF to talk on it!" - "DEATH OF AUTOTUNE" jay-z

particularly Jeezy..he seen how political not only the music industry was , but Atlanta at the time, where you couldn't even get a name out thier for yourself if the strip club deejays wasn't bumping your shyt....

that's the only thing Meech took credit for is taking his resources to "pay off" deejays to get his name out thier....

It was Meech that not only provided him the connections in the form of Drama and Diddy and the plethora of strip club deejays and promoters, but he also help give validation to his "trap or die bossed up lifestyle" with the jewelry and cars....



sadly Jeezy didn't hold up his end of the relationship, and it wasn't like they were forcing him, it's been like that since the time he was "leasing" cars from the BMF dealership in Orlando

pg 127...
Yogi had brought Omari up to speed on matters involving the rapper Young Jeezy. She claimed that Jeezy was behind on payments for his Lamborghini, which he'd gotten from the dealership in Orlando that secured cars such as Ferraris, Lambos and the like on a regular basis for BMF.

The owner of the shop was Eric "Swift" Whaley a 350 lb man with a heart condition that rendered him a far cry from the image that his nicknamed conjured.

Yogi was clearly getting a kick out of the situation..."Jeezy called me talking bout, "Let me tell you what that punk ass Swift did."..I said..."i know-he took your car".

"Yep ...he (Jeezy) running around here telling everybody Swift didn't have his paperwork straight"- Yogi said. The car she claimed had been impounded.

"Jeezy just ain't made a muthaphuking car payment in like 5 months", Yogi continued.
"Swift told him the only way he can get it back is if he pay it all the way off...Jeezy said.."That's fukked up..No i'm gonna get the Modena (Porsche)!"

i said "Okay Hollywood" - Yogi

"I ain't never heard no shyt like that" - Omari

"Isn't it crazy? N1ggas be frontin one way and s1t...mmmm, mmm rappers -Yogi

Google Books
/books?id=xdjQaCFJ9N8C&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=jeezy+ain't+made+a+car+payment&source=bl&ots=gfy9qtc4DS&sig=5Aqhcdb19_PgVhKnxdW_Aut_g0U&sa=X&ei=Hz0xUKvqNYbo8gSqtoCQBQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=jeezy%20ain't%20made%20a%20car%20payment&f=false


so how in the world could BMF benifit from extorting a "rapper" when his deal is based on credit and advances and he struggled to make payments on a luxury car???

Keep posting....I was always curious as to who souped up Mobb Deep and made them want to jump in the Pac beef?


I guess they were young and immature.Hence the "Next time grown folks is talking, nikka close your mouth" line.


Them nikkaz didn't know the extent of it all.Pac was wrestling with some nikkaz wayyyy larger than Mobb Deep.


I can see why Pac called them some "buster ass babies".. Mobb was trying to turn some deep street shyt into a petty lil rap battle/ banging on wax.Pac treated them dudes like preschoolers

 

[ProfessionallyTrill]

Hold up, JMJ was sellin coke despite Run DMC money and being a celebrity?

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

I'm telling you that is what happened. I remember when pac got robbed and hearing about who did it in the barbershop a few days after if not the next day, I can't remember exactly.

Pac explained the rest in the vibe magazine article before he went to prison. I had it and remember reading it, thinking to myself things really do get around quick in NYC because I knew where the people who robbed him was from and pac stated he thought the robbers were from brooklyn becayuse they wore camouflage.

Most of the version on the net are exaggerated stories that sound good for a movie but aren't the real thing. Like the BMF extorting puffin and getting pac shot because he didn't want to sign with them or puff which is some bullshyt and the Honorable SKJ explained it perfectly.

 

[fendi_mane]

Hold up, JMJ was sellin coke despite Run DMC money and being a celebrity?

What Run DMC money? "Rev. Run" is eating because of his brother.

 

[Lewis Black]

fugg outta here clown...if you wanna read my post do that ive given my age b4 .........i feel no need to give it you just because you asking me like u the feds niccuh so kick rocks

That's what I thought you fakkit ass nikka. You feel no need to state your age because you think im a fed but you on here talking about your bum ass cousin being in clinton max, talking about "ask meech" lol, how you grow up with real killas who fukked with hatian jack.

All this info but you can't state ya age?