Why the Republicans just don't get it (Minimum Wage)

[lutha]

I'm starting to think some of you don't have even basic empathy for other human beings.

It's not about whether I get paid more or have to pay more in taxes, it's about what's best for society in general. And for the people who are unfortunate enough to be making minimum wage.

I'm certainly not thinking that an increase in the minimum wage would somehow mean I'd get a raise. And I don't think it'll lead to a tax cut...but I'm willing to pay more taxes if it's for something worthwhile.

I'd be willing to take a huge tax increase if it meant we could get universal healthcare.


Also, it's not good for the economy in general if all the wealth is concentrated at the top. That's how it was right before the Great Depression. A lot of yall don't seem to get or acknowledge that. If poor/working class people don't have enough money to buy goods and services, the economy will suck. Which is basically the current situation - the biggest cause of the slow economy is low consumer demand. And the low demand is because working class people just don't have enough disposable income.

Yet people seem to think giving more money to people who are already rich (and who will just pocket the money instead of spending it) is somehow good for the economy.

now I don't have empathy? lol if you say so...but if you talked to anyone that knew me, they'd say different...you talking to a cat that would give his last if someone needed it or just asked...

as for the rest of your post: when I have I said give money to the already rich?...i havent.....I just asked the simply questions: where does it stop? and why is everyone keen on raising min wage jobs?...like I said: i'm all for people getting money, but yall being naïve if yall think people are just gonna be cool with min wage being a lot closer to 'good' paying jobs.....there is something about the $10/hr price point that is gonna make people go crazy, which I understand...I worked min wage when it was 4.25/hr....I worked at the movies and couldn't even afford to see a movie with an hour's worth of work....anyway, at the time, $10-$20/hr job was 'good' money....fast forward years later to now, that aint so true...$10-$20/hr+ is ok money, but you still in poverty...but to get some of those jobs, you gotta have experience, know someone, and/or a degree....and now you telling me, a min wage job will be paying in the same range?...that means either: the qualifications for those min wage jobs gonna increase and/or companies gotta do something to make their non min wage jobs look better to potential employees...but you know companies are still gonna try to make money, so they gonna increase the costs of benefits/maybe cut back on benefits, cut back on hiring, increase costs of products/goods/services...just saying, think more needs to be explained/laid out there then just saying: increase min wage jobs....it sounds like those stupid muthfukkas that did the wall street protests...the idea and reason behind it was good, but they had no direction/focus and just came off as dumb as hell....like they were getting behind the 'cause' just so they could say they got behind something, to prove elder people wrong that say the young generation doesn't stand up for shyt...

 

[Liquid]

i hear you. Personally i think each state should be able to (within reason) base their minimum wage off of their own economic numbers. $7 in LA and NY is not the same $7 in New Mexico or some small town in Wyoming.

I've been saying the same shyt for years. How the fukk is the minimum wage in NYC the same as Lexington, KY?

that's fukking criminal. I know @midwesthiphop is eating good....i know he doesn't regret leaving up north

 

[Blackking]

you know who else "employed blacks"? These dudes right here.

Look, here's what's needs to happened followed up by what WOULD happen followed up by what will happen.

What needs to happen:
Minimum wage needs to go up so people can afford shyt, then there needs to be a new tax rate on CEO pay and such to discourage CEO's from turning into practical slave owners.

What would happen:
Minimum wage needs to go up so people can afford shyt, then there needs to be a new tax rate on CEO pay and such to discourage CEO's from turning into practical slave owners.

So yes I see where you're coming from in that you believe it'll hurt people, I don't think it will, personally i think we'll see a zero sum effect by virtue of prices going up along with pay.

This post was funny as shyt... I laughed out loud

but, i don't agree with all the points tho..

There are so many post in here I wish I could respond to but I'll just say this

PEOPLE WHO FIGHT AND STRIVE for these min wage jobs FOR the most part have the worst money management and life skills in the nation - probably the world. . There are reasons for that...of course that's by design. but honestly the time for excuses is Long passed.

I'm the main poster on here that talks this working for corp is the slavery shyt... but lets not take it too far. SLAVES didn't have a choice, and they didn't get paid a wage that is > most of the world.

There are software developers in South America that get paid = to restaurant managers in the US

For example, we hired this white bish at my job who is always complaining about money. She get 10 bucks... Sure that's not a lot, but she also eats lunch out and doesn't bring it from home, she also goes to haunted weekend at cedar point n shyt. She buy more shyt than me, has more shyt than me and I make 6X what she makes

And black people from the urban communities are the worst.
#1 We ignore people like Claud Anderson who lets us know how to maximize collectively. There is a war against us, but we don't participate in it

#2 All races of people in urban communities and Especially Walmart and fastfood workers, basically suck at life and money management.

#3 IF we need to fight for something lets not fight for min wage.. lets fight for better education so that the majority of the pop isn't ignorant as shyt. Let's fight for higher interest rates for savings n shyt... because BANK owners are the real crooks, Not CEOS. Lets elect people who will give two shyts about a fair tax plan.


Wealth gaps are only decreased through mass revolution and a lil violence... lol, that's why we are allow to discuss this and fight to stay at the bottom of the bucket. Everyone knows the general population isn't bout that life.

The way to squeeze the top to make the middle class larger is through elections, and through a push for better education. Right now the same people who determine tax policy are the same people who are funded by CEO's, bankers, and determine education policies.

 

[Blackking]

I'm starting to think some of you don't have even basic empathy for other human beings.

The main talking heads of this movement are rich AS fukk breaaaeh.

obama is only pushing for like 9/hr... you can't raise a family off that. Some people are pushing for 15 in certain areas. first off, that's OK for janitors, but for fast food workers?? Spoiled ass nation...


Please note... Most Americans have horrible money management. The poor have the WORST money management. They will make mroe purchases that will decrease supply and raise products on prices -- but NOT raise salaries and end up paying the CEOs more Billions.... When all the poor got was a 4 dollar raise they More Than Likely will blow on BS.

Another generation raised to go into debt and fight over random liberal BS instead of real shyt.

I'm starting to think some of you don't have even basic empathy for other human beings... supporting this shyt.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

People focusing on minimum wage are looking at the wrong piece of the problem

The minimum wage issue is a symptom of a general failure of our economic system. If a muhfugga has AIDS you don't cure it by telling them to eat more and take Vitamin C immune boosting supplements. But that is basically what this focus on minimum wage is about. You have to identify the cause of the problem, and from there all of its results and symptoms will be understood and more easily solvable.

$10/hr sounds crazy when healthcare, housing and and higher education are outpacing inflation 2-3x. But guess what. Doubling, tripling, quadrupling minimum wage one time is just a bandaid over a bullet wound. Eventually the cost side of the equation will catch back up, and people will say "how can a family live on $100 an hour" "$1000 an hour" etc etc. The country needs to get back to a place where our economic system is generating wealth for the majority of the population... arbitrary one time transfers of wealth reasoned out in an ideological/logical vacuum are not the way to do that.

If everyone had access to affordable healthcare, free higher education and housing that wasn't inflated by the inherent subsidies of GSEs minimum wage would not be an issue. Healthcare could and should cost like 1/2 what it does today, and can have its growth reined in by regulation. Houses would prob cost 1/2 what they do today if the govt didn't own/guarantee 70% of mortgages, essentially removing 70% of the incentive for loan originators to display any kind of long term thinking when generating mortgages. Higher education would prob cost 1/4 what it does today if govts werent writing banks and colleges blank checks on the backs of students' future earnings. So this whittling down of all our complex economic problems down to one simple, incorrect, pitchfork friendly talking point is pretty fukking annoying and counterproductuve IMO. There's a lot of needless waste and corporatism that is the real driver of our economic issues. This minimum wage bullshyt is a distraction and a misunerstanding of the situation.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@DEAD7 dont dap me nikka.

 

[DEAD7]

@DEAD7 dont dap me nikka.

 

[Brown_Pride]

This post was funny as shyt... I laughed out loud

but, i don't agree with all the points tho..

There are so many post in here I wish I could respond to but I'll just say this

PEOPLE WHO FIGHT AND STRIVE for these min wage jobs FOR the most part have the worst money management and life skills in the nation - probably the world. . There are reasons for that...of course that's by design. but honestly the time for excuses is Long passed.

I'm the main poster on here that talks this working for corp is the slavery shyt... but lets not take it too far. SLAVES didn't have a choice, and they didn't get paid a wage that is > most of the world.

There are software developers in South America that get paid = to restaurant managers in the US

For example, we hired this white bish at my job who is always complaining about money. She get 10 bucks... Sure that's not a lot, but she also eats lunch out and doesn't bring it from home, she also goes to haunted weekend at cedar point n shyt. She buy more shyt than me, has more shyt than me and I make 6X what she makes
And black people from the urban communities are the worst.
#1 We ignore people like Claud Anderson who lets us know how to maximize collectively. There is a war against us, but we don't participate in it

#2 All races of people in urban communities and Especially Walmart and fastfood workers, basically suck at life and money management.

#3 IF we need to fight for something lets not fight for min wage.. lets fight for better education so that the majority of the pop isn't ignorant as shyt. Let's fight for higher interest rates for savings n shyt... because BANK owners are the real crooks, Not CEOS. Lets elect people who will give two shyts about a fair tax plan.

Wealth gaps are only decreased through mass revolution and a lil violence... lol, that's why we are allow to discuss this and fight to stay at the bottom of the bucket. Everyone knows the general population isn't bout that life.

The way to squeeze the top to make the middle class larger is through elections, and through a push for better education. Right now the same people who determine tax policy are the same people who are funded by CEO's, bankers, and determine education policies.

i agree on most points and the slavery thing was hyperbole to help deal with Dead7 and his "let's raise it to $100". :comeone:

I would agree that people with no money tend to have the worse money management skills, particularly in America. Why? You say by design, i'd be inclined to agree to a degree.

One thing I've always shown my kids is MARKETING. Sounds odd, but here's what I've gather. 100% of the time you're awake someone is trying to sell you some shyt. Be it a logo, a commercial, a name on your phone, the cereal box, cartoons, tv shows, if you pay close enough attention damn near from the moment you open your eyes BAM!!! Product placement is shyting on your face and your brain with suggestion. (what's cool as fuk is my kids now point it out to me like, "look dad they have that toy right there so i'll want to buy one )

The point is that the human mind can only take so much bombardment before it starts to bend to what's being shoved at it. What's scary is how scientific marketing has become. Color, smell, sight, emotion, logic, time of the day, targeted audiences, psychology, anatomy, chemistry...there isnt a single science marketing hasn't utilized to get the masses to buy things.

This goes back to the my point of equating the free market to FIRE. Like fire, if left to run rampant, the free market will consume all its fuel (people) until there's nothing left to burn up. The furnace is stoked by mad pyromaniacs whose aim it is to make the biggest brightest blaze with little regards for stability or longevity.

Given the above analogy and the fervor in application of marketing what do we expect as a society? Of course the masses want to consume beyond practical reasoning. It's what we as a society have allowed....which I believe circles back to your comments on electing people and revolution.

Here's the scary part.

As we are consumers by both culture and conditioning how the fuk do we break that so that the crooks can't just SELL US elected officials? That is the crux of the problem if you ask me. We elect the same people over and over because that's the only shyt we're sold.

 

[DEAD7]

me and @Brown_Pride agree on something.


Corporatism is the problem.

 

[Brown_Pride]

me and @Brown_Pride agree on something.

Corporatism is the problem.

wait how do you believe in free market and believe corporatism is the problem? One inevitably leads to another.

 

[DEAD7]

wait how do you believe in free market and believe corporatism is the problem? One inevitably leads to another.

I dont believe this to be an absolute, and I blame Govt. 100% for the corporatism we see now.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I dont believe this to be an absolute, and I blame Govt. 100% for the corporatism we see now.

...humor me.
HOW THE FUK do you arrive at that conclusion

 

[DEAD7]

...humor me.
HOW THE FUK do you arrive at that conclusion

Govt. sets the rules
If govt. is going to allow lobbying(which it does) they are creating a situation where all the corporations have to lobby to insure their interest.
Imagine if Microsoft lobbied, bought politicians to bend the rules in their favor and Apple didnt? Apple would be doomed.
You are not playing the game for real, if you are not lobbying.
Govt. also referees the game, controls the money(literally), controls the interest rates, controls the tax rate etc.

The govt. has the power to remove money from politics if they wanted, but they don't cause they don't have to... So many people are looking at big business instead of the only party that can solve the problem, and the PRIMARY beneficiary of corporatism.

Govt. is 110% in control, and somehow not at fault. All business's are guilty of is trying to turn as much profit as possible, which is their sole purpose to begin with. faulting them for that, simply means you're anti business.

Besides only one part of the equation is beholden to "we the people"...

 

[Blackking]

and then in that case....the ultimate blame falls on the population for not fighting to correct it.

When polled.. campaign finace reform, education, and lobbing reforms should rank higher. The media talks about min wage, immigration, gay marriage, obamacare, etc. lol and these politicians are allowing the shut down of the gov n shyt, but still criminally taking our tax dollars.

 

[Brown_Pride]

@DEAD7 this will be in response to your post as well...i'm just not gonna clutter up the thread by quoting all that.

and then in that case....the ultimate blame falls on the population for not fighting to correct it.

When polled.. campaign finace reform, education, and lobbing reforms should rank higher. The media talks about min wage, immigration, gay marriage, obamacare, etc. lol and these politicians are allowing the shut down of the gov n shyt, but still criminally taking our tax dollars.

Follow...
The people elect the government, the government is controlled by corporations, the people are manipulated by corporations (see my post on marketing), the people are responsible for their actions, but are also essentially being brainwashed.

Who then do we blame?
The people for not changing things and being maniplated...
The government for being controlled by corporations...
The corporations for manipulating people and controlling the government?

Here's where i'm finding myself right now.
I blame the people. HOWEVER, the actions of the corporations are still wrong and the action of the government are also wrong.

Chicken and the egg though really...