"Why Kevin Durant is the Best Scorer Ever" -- By Any Means Basketball

[analog]

LeBron is 10-27 on game-winning/game-tying shots in the last 24 seconds of postseason games.
Kobe is 7-28
KD is 5-20


Think that's cherry-picking? How about last 10 seconds?
LeBron is 9-22
Kobe is 4-18
KD is 2-13


Oh, god, that's even worse for them. Maybe last 5 seconds will be better?
LeBron is 7-17
Kobe is 3-14
KD is 1-9


Okay, maybe buzzer-beaters?
LeBron is 5-9
Kobe is 0-1
KD has never shot a buzzer-beater in the playoffs
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Waiting on a rebuttal to this :mjsherlock:

 

[Joe Sixpack]

That's laugh out loud funny huh u corny fakkit

Type to probably use lol after every word with bytches

No wonder you're in love with lebron

You gotta do something with all that estrogen in your system

Hey Faghot I got lots of testosterone ask ya moms and ya girl

You internet nikkas really disgust me...

Please remove Bron’s cock from out ya mouf

:scustonsteroids:

 

[ISO]

Lebron racking up 40 points games against weak eastern conference teams please don’t mention that old man

You dumb ass some of the most prolific defenses were in the East

The Celtics, Bulls, Pacers teams LeBron carved in the 2010’s were historically good defenses according to every metric you dumb fukk. The East was a more defensive oriented and slower paced conference.

Y’all nikkas with this conference shyt don’t even know what the fukk you’re talking about. LeBron routinely steamrolled the West thru regular seasons and @IllmaticDelta already showed you he has practically identical splits against the Western Conference.

The Suns and Mavs were elite Western powerhouses in the 00’s but LeBron would have carved them up because their defenses typically ranked average to below average

 

[ISO]

I agree. In regards to being the most prolific scorer, able score anywhere with extreme efficiency

It’s Jordan, KD, and Larry Bird as far as proficiency

Then you got Kobe, who was probably the most explosive scorer of all time, he got hotter than just about any volume scorer.

Then you have George Gervin, LeBron, and prime T Mac

I wouldn’t put Bird over LeBron and peak T-Mac, athleticism and ball handling matters for scorers. Being able to play above the rim matters.

Y’all gotta understand LeBron is a 70-80% finisher at the rim thru his prime he is unstoppable as a slasher and when his shot is on he is a hell of a shot maker

 

[ISO]

As far as scoring nobody is as gifted as KD

I think he could be the greatest scorer of All-Time if he had more of a scoring motor

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This argument makes me everytime because of how emotional everyone gets. The truth is KD will go down as no lower than a top-3 most unstoppable offensive player in NBA history. He can do EVERYTHING on the offensive side of the floor. And he would have dropped 40 on the Raptors had he not blew his shyt out. That is after not playing for over a month.

The whole problem is that claim still completely ignores bball IQ, mentality, and ability to respond to the demands of the moment. Sure, he can do everything....then why hasn't he?

Why is KD only 5-20 on playoff game-winners in his career, and an even uglier 1-9 in the final five seconds?

Why is it that until last year, KD had NEVER surpassed 41 points in a playoff game despite falling short every single year until he joined a 73-win team?

That's weird, right? You would think that since the Thunder were always losing in the end, that KD would have had some games where he threw them on his back and either carried them to victory or did everything possible trying. Like LeBron's 45 game against the Wizards, his 48 game against the Pistons, his 45 game against the Celtics, his 49 and 44 games against the Magic, his SECOND 45 game against the Celtics, his 49 game against the Nets, his 44 game against the Warriors, and that crazy 2018 sequence where he put up 42, 43, 44, 44, 45, 46, 46, and finally a 51 game all in a single playoff run, with at least 7 of those 8 games basically being must-win situations.

LeBron has maybe 20 classic high-scoring games that we all remember, spread out from his very first playoff series to his absolute most recent one (I didn't even count that 40-spot when they went down to the Pacers without Bosh, or the 37-point game 7 to win a ring against the Spurs, or the back-to-back 41-point games after going down 3-1 to the Warriors, or that 46-point effort against the Hawks since they were already up 2-0, or that 40-39-37 run in his first duel against D-Rose, or all those other 40-point games against the 2009 Magic and 2015 or 2017 Warriors).

Thunder Durant has none.

Now, Warriors Durant has a few big games, but he did it with the floor wide open next to two of the greatest shooters in history. Defenses are openly trying to stop Curry first and him second. And the game situations leave something to be desired. 43 against the Cavs when the Warriors were already up 2-0 and the Cavs had nearly thrown in the towel already. 45 and 50 against a way overmatched Clippers team after the Warriors had already pulled a 3-1 series lead. And 46 (on 14-31 shooting) in a loss to Houston after the Warriors were already up 2-0.....a Houston team that the Warriors ended up beating without KD on the court at all.

That's it. That's all of KD's 42+ games in his entire postseason history. 4 games with series leads against overmatched inferior teams, with Curry and Klay spreading the floor wide out.

Why is KD's scoring history so unimpressive?

 

[Megadeus]

holy shyt I did NOT think this would get so heated

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

there's a lot of og's that played with a lot of bop

old timers earl.monroe roger.brown fly.williams the list goes on & on

you just read & hear stories

*

You don't really see that kind of physical expression out on the court nowadays.

Niccaz don't rock the cradle anymore.Who was the last guy to wind up and cock

it back on somebody...Kemp?

I think you have better raw athletes today, but the mind-to-body manifestation's

lacking some pizzazz at present.The sphere of basketball consciousness is a lil

less stylish.Seems like the Kobe, T Mac, Vince generation was the last of the Mohicans.

I think Kyrie's somewhat of a throwback...Other than that, I guess the Euro step is "That

shyt!!" now.That's the slickest shyt you might see today.

 

[JackRoss]

EVERYBODY IS BETTER THAN LEBRON. Cant even discuss the NBA without mentioning LeBron

 

[010101]

You don't really see that kind of physical expression out on the court nowadays.

Niccaz don't rock the cradle anymore.Who was the last guy to wind up and cock

it back on somebody...Kemp?

I think you have better raw athletes today, but the mind-to-body manifestation's

lacking some pizzazz at present.The sphere of basketball consciousness is a lil

less stylish.Seems like the Kobe, T Mac, Vince generation was the last of the Mohicans.

I think Kyrie's somewhat of a throwback...Other than that, I guess the Euro step is "That

shyt!!" now.That's the slickest shyt you might see today.

cats got way more complexity & variety in the trick bagg now to be fair

but they got it programmed so automatic there's no thought to it they just ring moves off like terminator robots

old heads was casually hooping going for style points on purpose ha

cats drill moves so much they get stiff og's more so just played runs & moves developed off instinct in the flow of it all

*

 

[MoneyTron]

Bron stans furious.

Whole page essays, multi tiered arguments, and no one believes any of it.

 

[DillaTUDE]

The whole problem is that claim still completely ignores bball IQ, mentality, and ability to respond to the demands of the moment. Sure, he can do everything....then why hasn't he?

Why is KD only 5-20 on playoff game-winners in his career, and an even uglier 1-9 in the final five seconds?

Why is it that until last year, KD had NEVER surpassed 41 points in a playoff game despite falling short every single year until he joined a 73-win team?

That's weird, right? You would think that since the Thunder were always losing in the end, that KD would have had some games where he threw them on his back and either carried them to victory or did everything possible trying. Like LeBron's 45 game against the Wizards, his 48 game against the Pistons, his 45 game against the Celtics, his 49 and 44 games against the Magic, his SECOND 45 game against the Celtics, his 49 game against the Nets, his 44 game against the Warriors, and that crazy 2018 sequence where he put up 42, 43, 44, 44, 45, 46, 46, and finally a 51 game all in a single playoff run, with at least 7 of those 8 games basically being must-win situations.

LeBron has maybe 20 classic high-scoring games that we all remember, spread out from his very first playoff series to his absolute most recent one (I didn't even count that 40-spot when they went down to the Pacers without Bosh, or the 37-point game 7 to win a ring against the Spurs, or the back-to-back 41-point games after going down 3-1 to the Warriors, or that 46-point effort against the Hawks since they were already up 2-0, or that 40-39-37 run in his first duel against D-Rose, or all those other 40-point games against the 2009 Magic and 2015 or 2017 Warriors).

Thunder Durant has none.

Now, Warriors Durant has a few big games, but he did it with the floor wide open next to two of the greatest shooters in history. Defenses are openly trying to stop Curry first and him second. And the game situations leave something to be desired. 43 against the Cavs when the Warriors were already up 2-0 and the Cavs had nearly thrown in the towel already. 45 and 50 against a way overmatched Clippers team after the Warriors had already pulled a 3-1 series lead. And 46 (on 14-31 shooting) in a loss to Houston after the Warriors were already up 2-0.....a Houston team that the Warriors ended up beating without KD on the court at all.

That's it. That's all of KD's 42+ games in his entire postseason history. 4 games with series leads against overmatched inferior teams, with Curry and Klay spreading the floor wide out.

Why is KD's scoring history so unimpressive?

There's nothing impressive about those teams.

• He went up against a washed up Pistons with no Ben Wallace or Larry Brown (the equivalent of GS without Draymond + Kerr). He was getting to the rim with ease because he faced no rim protection
• Against the Warriors he was scoring against Steph Curry or slow-footed bigs (Ezeli, Varajao, etc.) on switches. 2015 was pre-Ty Lue and there wasn't an emphasis on attacking Steph, hence him scoring high (because he was the only offensive threat) but on atrocious efficiency (11/46 on contested shots against Iguodala -- 'Iggy' makes LeBron's shooting iffy)
• Against the Spurs they literally gave him a 5-10 feet cushion and let him shoot open jumpshots all series long, while being guarded by Boris Diaw (
  Spoiler: ...
  )
• The Nets? He dropped 49 on a washed up Paul Pierce and Mirza Teletovic.
• The '14-'15 Hawks? That won 60 games in a season in which half the league was injured?

Only the Magic series and his 3-1 comeback are classic performances. The rest are a forgettable.

 

[MoneyTron]

I see nobody mentioning Shaq. The king of bully ball put points in the basket but no one calling him a GOAT type scorer. Might be more than just the numbers hmm?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There's nothing impressive about those teams.

• He went up against a washed up Pistons with no Ben Wallace or Larry Brown (the equivalent of GS without Draymond + Kerr). He was getting to the rim with ease because he faced no rim protection
• Against the Warriors he was scoring against Steph Curry or slow-footed bigs (Ezeli, Varajao, etc.) on switches. 2015 was pre-Ty Lue and there wasn't an emphasis on attacking Steph, hence him scoring high (because he was the only offensive threat) but on atrocious efficiency (11/46 on contested shots against Iguodala -- 'Iggy' makes LeBron's shooting iffy)
• Against the Spurs they literally gave him a 5-10 feet cushion and let him shoot open jumpshots all series long, while being guarded by Boris Diaw (
  Spoiler: ...
  )
• The Nets? He dropped 49 on a washed up Paul Pierce and Mirza Teletovic.
• The '14-'15 Hawks? That won 60 games in a season in which half the league was injured?

Only the Magic series and his 3-1 comeback are classic performances. The rest are a forgettable.

45 points on just 23 shots and hitting his 2nd game-winner in 3 games as a 20yo in his first playoff series ever? "forgettable"

And you called the 48-point game where he scored 25-straight against the Pistons "forgettable".

The 45-point Game 7 where he nearly singlehandedly took out the 2008 Celtics team that won 66 games that year and would take the ring going away? "Forgettable"

40-18-8 when down 2-1 against the Pacers with Bosh out and Wade's knee getting drained, just 10 months removed from the collapse against he Mavs. "Forgettable"

45 points on 19-26 shooting in a must-win Game 6 on the road against the 2012 Celtics with his entire legacy at stake. "Forgettable"

37 points in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals, nearly all on long jumpers, with the title riding on every one? "Forgettable"

The entire 2018 playoff run where he put the Cavs on his back like no one in history had? Forgettable.

And 51 points in the Finals playing 1-on-5 against a Warriors team that threw everything possible trying to stop him? "Forgettable"



Now, the big question is, if it's so easy for LeBron to rack up "forgettable" games in huge clutch moments, then why doesn't KD have any similar ones?

Spoiler

Diaw only averaged 13 minutes/game in that Spurs series and most of his minutes came after LeBron started heating up.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Whats with the use of this "greatest ever" shyt all of a sudden??