"Why Kevin Durant is the Best Scorer Ever" -- By Any Means Basketball
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when any of these guys get in the zone it was
MJ is the greatest scorer ever.
The other 4 guys you mentioned only have 32 forty-point playoff games COMBINED in 63 NBA seasons.
LeBron alone has 27 forty-point playoff games just by himself.
Kobe, Melo, KD, and T-Mac combined only have 9 games where they surpassed 43 points in the playoffs.
LeBron's done it 15 times by himself.
Over 45 points? LeBron 7, all those other guys combined just 6.
And, of course, LeBron has the best Game 7 scoring average in NBA history (with MJ second), while none of the other guys you named are even on the map.
So where the hell you getting the idea that any of the rest of them are better at going ape shyt than LeBron? Even Kobe doesn't have half as many 40-point playoff games as LeBron and he played 20 seasons. LeBron gets you buckets when you need them. Once he got confidence in his shot, he became better at that than anyone else in NBA history short of maybe MJ.
I AM WARHOL
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I'll go a step further and say Prime KD is a better overall basketball player than Prime LeBron
. No weakness in his game. From rim protecting to bombing it from 3. All in a 7 foot package 
. No weakness in his game. From rim protecting to bombing it from 3. All in a 7 foot package
And yet he scored 37 points on 12-23 shooting (5-10 from three) in a Game 7 against the Spurs right in the middle of that time. He proved over and over he could score against West teams.BRON DIDNT HAVE ONE 40 PT GAME IN HIS 1ST 5 FINALS AGAINST THE WEST...
You had to do the dumbest cherry-picking to grab that stat. Act like the 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 Finals don't count, act like averaging nearly 30ppg in 2012 and 2014 don't count, act like averaging 32ppg over the last four games of the 2013 Finals don't count. LeBron has scored FINE against the West from 2012 to the present.
Let's remember Derrick Rose only had 1 forty-point game in the playoffs....ever. And he played in the East.
staticshock
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Look son
You’re talking to a person who thinks Bron is 1A with MJ. I’m one of the biggest Bron Stans on this site & in Atlanta. I knew Bron was the GOAT when he took that bum ass 07 Cavs team to the finals in 3rd year & he was nowhere near his prime. Done got in arguments wit my pops over how good LBJ is.
If I was on some street ball shyt and just want a to watch a dude score like it’s nothing then I’m taking Kobe, Melo, TMac & KD over Bron.
If I want the best all around player of all time I’m taking Bron over anyone.
You put LARRY BIRD in the top rung?
The same guy who never once scored 28ppg in a postseason even though he played in the high-pace, low-defense 1980s?
The same guy who once averaged 15ppg on 40% shooting in a Finals, including 8, 12, and 8 points in three consecutive Finals games?
Larry was never anywhere near as prolific as scorer as Bron has been.
LeBron average 29ppg in the playoffs hitting 54% of his twos and 33% of his threes.
Larry average 23ppg in the playoffs hitting 49% of this twos and 32% of this threes.
And LeBron did it against better defenses.
Ya'all hitting that magic era juice way too strong.
This is one of those arguments where you can easily see who understands what actually happens in a game and who just goes off of optics. Some of y'all don't even understand bball IQ and ability to impose your will on the flow of a game, about picking apart the defense, knowing when to drive and when to shoot, knowing how to best take advantage of the situation and knowing when your team absolutely needs a bucket in the clutch and being able to deliver it.
That entire video he's showing nothing but skill set, he's not analyzing how KD actually deals with game situation, with must-win games, with breaking down the best opposing defenses, anything about his mentality at all. Anyone who knows basketball knows that a player can have whatever skill set but that doesn't mean he's gonna be better than the other guy when they actually get on the court.
Melo and KD have better optics than LeBron, but LeBron gets it done far more often. It's a combination of better bball IQ, more astute game mentality, and having a more developed all-around game which makes him more of a threat to do anything and keeps the defenses guessing.
Then why can't those guys score like it's nothing in the playoffs when teams actually are doing everything they can to stop you?
Why does LeBron have 27 career forty-point games, while the other guys only have 13, 4, 4, and 11?
Why does LeBron have more games over 45 points than all four of the others combined?
It ain't a matter of games played, cause LeBron's played fewer games then they have combined by a long shot. It ain't a matter of shots taken, because those guys combined have way more volume shooting nights than LeBron has.
So what is it?
That entire video he's showing nothing but skill set, he's not analyzing how KD actually deals with game situation, with must-win games, with breaking down the best opposing defenses, anything about his mentality at all. Anyone who knows basketball knows that a player can have whatever skill set but that doesn't mean he's gonna be better than the other guy when they actually get on the court.
Exactly.
Melo and KD have better optics than LeBron, but LeBron gets it done far more often. It's a combination of better bball IQ, more astute game mentality, and having a more developed all-around game which makes him more of a threat to do anything and keeps the defenses guessing.
Then why can't those guys score like it's nothing in the playoffs when teams actually are doing everything they can to stop you?
Why does LeBron have 27 career forty-point games, while the other guys only have 13, 4, 4, and 11?
Why does LeBron have more games over 45 points than all four of the others combined?
It ain't a matter of games played, cause LeBron's played fewer games then they have combined by a long shot. It ain't a matter of shots taken, because those guys combined have way more volume shooting nights than LeBron has.
So what is it?
LeBron is 10-27 on game-winning/game-tying shots in the last 24 seconds of postseason games.But he is tho
Kobe is 7-28
KD is 5-20
Think that's cherry-picking? How about last 10 seconds?
LeBron is 9-22
Kobe is 4-18
KD is 2-13
Oh, god, that's even worse for them. Maybe last 5 seconds will be better?
LeBron is 7-17
Kobe is 3-14
KD is 1-9
Okay, maybe buzzer-beaters?
LeBron is 5-9
Kobe is 0-1
KD has never shot a buzzer-beater in the playoffs
Hmmm....
I mean, you can go ahead and give it to Kobe or KD, they have the ideal skill set to make game-winners, but what have they actually shown on the court?
A good scorer would never pass to one of the best three-point shooters in history? So Jordan could pass to Paxson and Kerr and Longley for game-winners, Kobe could rely on Horry and Fish and Artest to make huge shots, but the Cavs had Korver on that team to....do what exactly? Why even have a three-point specialist in the game if LeBron is supposed to never, ever pass to him, even if there's a minute left and you have a 1-point lead?nikkas really in here talking about lebron
if he was a better scorer than kd he wouldnt have passed to korver or geoge hill
If LeBron was stupid enough to play that way, to not even pass to an open three-point specialist with a minute left in the game, then every team would just collapse all five guys on him every time he touched it and it would be impossible to score. But LeBron's not that stupid.
And as far as Hill goes when you need 1 point to win, and your option is going 1-on-3 versus a triple-team that includes the DPOY and a 7-footer, or passing to the guy who is cutting inside unguarded, you'd have to be an idiot to go 1-on-3. Even the best players in the NBA only make 1/3 of their game-winning shots, while Hill was an 80% free throw shooter who just needed to make 1 free throw to tie and 2 to win. You take those odds every time.
IllmaticDelta
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SPENT HIS WHOLE CAREER IN THE WEAK EAST
AND STILL AVERAGES LESS PLAYOFF PPG.
MINUS WELL THROW UP THOSE 9 FINALS
APPEARANCES WHILE YOURE AT IT.
lebron's career splits vs west/east are identical
LeBron James Career Splits | Basketball-Reference.com
Knicksgarbageforever
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Got bodied by KD these past 2 finals too.That’s all it is really. Lebron had the fortune of never really having a serious injury untill just last year.
KD only 30 and already has a career altering injury.
Toe for Toe, box score, Advanced stat. KD Leads Lebron in more categories. Even I was surprised but watching the too, the final stat, the eye test. KD always was the more skilled scorer
KD also averaged a better FG% 3PT% And FT% against Lebron in the 2012 finals.
KD was 23. Lebron was 28
IllmaticDelta
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Durant has led the league in scoring more times than Lebron
Durant has a higher 3% than lebron
Durant has a higher Ft% than Lebron
Durant has a higher efg% than Lebron
Durant is in the 50-40-90s club
Durant in the 2012 nba finals averaged a better FG/3/FT
Durant in the 2017 Finals averaged a better FG/3P/FT than Lebron
Durant in the 2018 finals averaged a better 3pt/FT than Lebron. Lebron averaged 527%
KD...526%
KD in playoffs averaged a better 3p/FT with the same EFG though Lebron has been to 8383838484839 More playoff games
KD overall in playoffs-29 PPG
Lebron overall in playoff-28 PPG
Lebron overall, 27.2
KD overall, 27.0
KDs best scoring season, 32.1
Lebron best scoring season 31.4
But what about KD vs Lebron head to head?
KD- 28.5 on 48/41
Lebron-28.0 On 51/35
Literally, the only thing Lebron does better really is finish.
Let’s look at shooting distances.
Lebron
Less than 5 feet- Bron 69% vs KD 72%
5-9 feet- Bron 25.7% vs KD 52%()
10-14 feet- Bron 47% vs KD 50%
15-19 feet Bron 34% vs KD 57%
20-24 feet Bron 42%FG 33% 3 vs KD 30%FG 25% 3
25-29 Feet. Bron 34% vs KD 38%
30-34 feet- Lebron 26% vs KD 20%
35-39 feet- Lebron 100% vs KD 0%
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
But I’m not done with y’all just yet
Lebron vs KD shot distance(8 ft)
Less than 7 feet. LEBRON-64% vs KD 68%
8-16= Lebron 40% vs KD 52%
16-24= Lebron 45% vs KD 53%
24 feet= Lebron 33% vs KD 35%
KD smoked Lebron in that whole field
BUT WAIT THERES MORE
Lebron mid range-43%
KD mid range- 55%
Lebron left corner 3%-Lebron 26%
KD left corner 3%-23%
Lebron- RA- 71%
KD- RA 72%
Lebron right corner 3-41%
KD right corner 3-22%
Lebron in the paint (nonRA) 30%
KD in the paint(nonRA) 49%
Lebron above the break 3-33%
KD above the break 3-36%
Lebron Alley oop-
91%
KD alley oop-100%
Lebron bank shot-35%
KD bank shot 52%
Lebron fadeaway-45%
KD fade-away-55%
Lebron dunk-95
KD dunk-94
Lebron finger roll-76%
KD finger roll-68%
Lebron jump shot-37%
KD jump shot-46%
Lebron layup-63%
KD layup-56%
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Long story short, nikka @IllmaticDelta it ain’t even close. Lebron only beat KD in a few categories of each shooting advanced stat(the same AS you bron stans love so much
Scorer vs shooter....
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
KD has 4 scoring titles to Lebron’s 1 scoring title
KD is literally only behind Lebron in career PPG by 00.2 and be lucky he got injured cause that could have changed quickly.
KD leads Lebron in more shooting advanced stats.
KD has had better efficiency against Lebron every finals series
Even if you remove Golden state. 23 year old KD average better FG/3Pt/FT aganist Lebron.
KD is the better scorer and shooter than Lebron. Every stat points that direction.
IllmaticDelta
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Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
Your point? I love how in any other argument, you have stats for days. He shares that record with Jerry west who’s not even top 5 in this discussion. Ether your own talking point brehs
When the stats not in your favor this go round, suddenly all you got is memes and goalpost moving attempts
IllmaticDelta
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Your point? I love how in any other argument, you have stats for days. He shares that record with Jerry west who’s not even top 5 in this discussion. Ether your own talking point brehs
When the stats not in your favor this go round, suddenly all you got is memes and goalpost moving attempts
dude, I posted the stats
