Wasn't he blackballed also himself?
Why Keri Hilson's career ended: Polow Da Don sabotaged her
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Called himself "King of White Girls" and shyt ain't never been the same
Now that we know he was doing drugs, maybe "white girl" meant something else
FarBeyondRubies
Pro
It was also rumored he was sleeping with Rihanna.I will just make four points, as you are coming across as a PR person from Bey's camp (no shade).
#1 - It was rumored that Jay Z was screwing Tiarra Marie, so it actually makes sense that Bey would support the competition. Let's keep it real, nobody thought Rihanna had IT accept for Dame.
#2 - Chloe & Halle barely have any buzz.
#3 - How do you define longevity? I've never been the biggest fan of Alicia Keys home wrecking arse, but Alicia has several timeless songs. Beyonce has current songs...but how will that pan out for her legacy?
#4 - In regards to your Ashanti example, I personally feel that a writer with a decent voice should always have a seat at the table. Roberta Flack had a good voice but a great pen and she maintained a nice career. Why can't Ashanti be allowed to do the same? As a matter of fact, the Ashanti downfall actually coincides with the increased fandom of Beyonce. Ashanti was one of the earlier victims of the Beyhive.
Chloe and Halle are Indie and doing great there.
Dangerously in love was released almost 15 years ago and Crazy in love, irreplaceable, single ladies, run the world, love on top are played and immediately recognized. She literally changed the way albums are released with her self titled album.
What classic songs does Alicia have? She has good songs but classics.
Ashanti was a victim of murder inc and terrible singing. When her label fell she could never get back to where she was. The Ashanti and Beyoncé comparisons stopped the year Beyoncé performed De Ja Vu at the BET awards and Ashanti also performed and was terrible. She's never been a great performer couple that with giving her biggest hits to JLo. Ashanti's fall came before the Beyhive established itself online. She can do what she likes but if the people don't want it they don't want it.
I get really tired of people saying Beyoncé should sit down and let other artist shine. We don't tell any other artist or profession to do that. Beyoncé's not putting any music out right now all those artist can do so without fear of her. There was a three year gap between self titled and Lemonade and yet none of those artist released. Rihanna has had 8 albums to Beyoncé's 5 yet is never accused of over saturating the market. There were literally not even pictures released of her for months yet none of gen took advantage of it. The woman doesn't give interviews or promote her albums anymore. If these women wanted to be out they would. Let's be honest they just don't have it.
Ashanti fell off way before the beehive was a thing
TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?
I walk around a little edgy already
southern.girl
Superstar
- Per my previous statements, Rihanna popped despite Beyonce
- Dangerously in Love is the only full album that I personally like from Beyonce. Outside of DIL, Bey has few songs that will stand the test of time. Irreplaceable & Love on Top are two of the good songs.
- Alicia Keys has You Don't Know My Name, Fallen, Unbreakable, Like You'll Never See Me Again, If I Aint Got You, A Woman's Worth, etc. I'm sure that I'm missing plenty more as I was never a huge AK fan.
- In terms of Ashanti vs Bey, I don't remember either performance so how memorable was it really?
- I never said Beyonce should sit down. I said that Beyonce & team are clearly doing a lot behind the scenes b/c (outside of Rihanna) the doors of popular black female artistry were closed after her.
TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?
I walk around a little edgy already
Then why the fukk couldnt Keri pop if shes more talented than both B and Rihanna?
Keri hilson had cool songs but she couldn't dance and her vocals were not good. She fine though
Rell Lauren
Banned
Not always about talent. Your team and representatives count more. Rihanna is not a good singer at all, but her management has made her into a power player the same way Taylor Swift's have.
TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?
I walk around a little edgy already
you still havent answered my question
Recca Gatsby
LWO
Serge Ibaka has made her unfukkable
This had nothing do to with it. People discuss writing for Bey and other pop stars all the time
If the industry made female urban R&B a priority it would pop more. Plain and Simple.
Its hard for Females to have reach when rappers don't need females singers on hooks anymore to reach women.
Its also hard for females R&B to have reach when they don't make music that you can play in the club. Its a big reason why Bey, Nicki and Rih have been winning for so long because they get the best songs to cover whatever demo needed.
Hit Boy is still around, still doing stuff. He did some work on Beyonce's Lemonade album. I think he got a co-production credit for "Sorry" , not sure in what capacity. Melo-X from Brooklyn also made the beat.
Always used to read on the Future Producer's forum back in the day some of the stuff Polow was known for doing. There was a rumor he stole someone's harddrive or something. He brought Hit Boy and ChaseNCashe into the game though and both of them have made some bangers. Can't be mad at ghost production though as long as the kids under you are getting paid and credited. Dudes at that level can't be in the studio making beats all day, plus out there chopping it up tryin to land big placements. it's impossible. I had no idea Detail had ghost producers or was more of a team than a solo producer until the main dude allegedly got beat up by drake's body guards
You don't fall off like Polow did without stealing beats and having someone ghost produce for you
I'm not saying Beyonce is going around preventing younger artists and other black women from shining. However why is it that in 7+ years there isn't a single black woman that "doesn't have it"? That doesn't make any sense. Tbh Tinashe caught a bit of flack for what she said but she was right in that ya'll (as in he stans) "hive" and "navy" mentality has definitely stifled the growth of black women in music.
FarBeyondRubies
Pro
Ask the A&R people. Tinashe is the definition of not having it. Be honest how many international artist are there truly. Lady Gaga fell off and I can't name half the people who perform at these award shows. These artist just aren't memorable. Artist like Beyoncé, Rihanna, Kanye, Jay Z, Adele, Bruno Mars even Taylor Swifts mediocre ass is memorable in one way or another. I'm a fifth harmony fan and as much as I want Normani to go solo I know she doesn't have it to be a success on her own.
Too many of them just aren't interesting but expect the public to be captivated. They too bought into Stan culture. You can tell by how they try to name their fan bases instead of letting the fans do it.
