Why is the devil intelligent?

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MMS said:
why do you think Gentiles hold on to it as a trope?
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You should be directing this question to them.

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what purpose does it serve to say..."I did not do these things, this creature that thou put me with did it!"
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To be fair, as Rash"i points out, it was in fact Havvah, the adam's woman, who lied when she told the snake
:וּמִפְּרִי הָעֵץ אֲשֶׁר בְּתוֹךְ־הַגָּן אָמַר אֱלֹקִים לֹא תֹאכְלוּ מִמֶּנּוּ וְלֹא תִגְּעוּ בּוֹ פֶּן־תְּמֻתוּן​
...but, concerning the tree that is in the middle of the gan, Êlōhîm has said: 'Do not eat from it and do not [even] touch it in case you die'. (B'réshît 3:3)
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I invite you to search through the entire narrative and find just where God told them not even to touch the tree?

The snake, although not entirely innocent, never told any actual lies—but it did make use of artifice to confuse Havvah. It said, 'You will not die' (3:4), and they did not; the adam lived to the ripe old age of 930 years (5:5)!
 
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Koichos said:
You should be directing this question to them.


To be fair, as Rash"i points out, it was in fact Havvah, the adam's woman, who lied when she told the snake

I invite you to search through the entire narrative and find just where God told them not even to touch the tree?

The snake, although not entirely innocent, never told any actual lies—but it did make use of artifice to confuse Havvah. It said, 'You will not die' (3:4), and they did not; the adam lived to the ripe old age of 930 years (5:5)!
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i find it heartwarming that you have seen me as a separation from them even though I am not fully converted Jew :to:

that said...do you not see how it counterintuitively creates? Genesis is incredible if you assume that all its contents create something
 
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The Beef is over us getting (SOULS)
Angels dont have souls and free will.
Something that Lucifer and his followers
never felt that Gods failed science project
(US) ever deserved.
It would be like billionaire parents dying
and leaving the fortune to the Dog.
I dont even think Lucifer hates God.
He hates God's undeserving creation.



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@MMS why did you not covert as a Jew and are an Orthodox Christian? Is it because you believe Jesus is the Son of God and Jews do not, therefore you can't become a Jew!
 
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@MMS why did you not covert as a Jew and are an Orthodox Christian? Is it because you believe Jesus is the Son of God and Jews do not, therefore you can't become a Jew!
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its complicated. I have the full Divine liturgy in my possession as well.

but i follow a few synagogues on facebook as well as dialogue with @Koichos and even some muslims on here
 
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Koichos said:
I apologize but such was not my intention.


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well

in the first page, it says: I have given you every herb, which has the seed therein which produces a tree. To you it shall be for meat

Yet God doesn't define what "meat" is. Just that it will be meat for you.

Then on the second page, he insinuates two trees one of life and one of knowledge, meaning they must exist either in the first or second pages (likely second)

then on the third page, "the serpent" or Nahash tells Eve to eat of the tree saying that you will be "Like God" (Kelohim) which is only used elsewhere in the bible by David.

Now, I have said before that my perspective was that "mimmenu" was the tree that should not be eaten. It is also mentioned by Tzipporah interestingly when Pharoah is seeking to slay Moses at the Inn

if Genesis creates, then from Genesis 3 onwards can be taken to be the tree that Adam was not meant to eat :ehh:
 
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MMS said:
you know you're on to something more profound than you realize

from my perspective we live in a fractal (I believe @Complexion said something similar in another thread) where Genesis is the origin of the fractal

so the "physical" reality that you believe is objective could just be the one where most people can probabilistically share

but it doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of other branches that you are either not aware of or cannot see at the same time as this one

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so from our vantage point reality seems linear, but from God's POV it could be much more varied and we might actually exist in other places and are just unaware of it.

IE at the highest level of Egyptian thought. You are always a fetus and the only other living creature is the umbilical cord that nourishes you...what you perceive as life is illusion
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Hmmm a fetus and the umbilical cord. Is that what the visual in the Matrix was supposed to represent? Plugged in to a bigger machine and accepting a reality or belief system that keeps us satisfied?
 
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