Why don't more rappers make music the average guy can relate to?

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

That's irrelevant. How old are you? Do you really think the college and teenage kids are like you? I mean look at gator king, he doesn't like the fact that hip hop can have a place among the affluent. He wants it to be a perpetual underdog. Once he made that clear to me a few weeks back, I knew I would never argue with him again on music. Not our of ire or disrespect, but because our perspectives are incompatible. He still sees power in hip hop that doesn't exist in it or any music in the western world anymore.

To my point, when I was in elementary school kids loved "More Money More Problems" and "Hard Knock Life" dropped when I was in like 4th grade. We loved that too. The same way we loved "One Mic" in 7th grade and DMX before that. That's not what is blowing up with teenagers and elementary school kids today.

As far as us (the college kids and those in their early 20s), Cole, Sean, Lupe (to a degree and to certain people), Drake (unfortunately) are very reflective of that group and Kanye used to be, Hov's shyt is where cats want to be. I listen to everybody under the sun but I know hip hop's audience and I know my age group.

I think teenage and college kids will consume whatever Viacom and Clear Channel force feeds them. So if it's songs like "I Wish" that is being force fed to them by the masses then they will consume it. It's not as if they will turn a blind eye and deaf ear to whatever is being crammed down their throat.

 

[wild100sboy]

"Some might even say an underachiever, cause I don't want the world. But I done seen the world. And if you ever saw it, hell, you wouldn't want it either. I don't need a kingdom, just need a home. You can take a seat, or you can take the throne. As long as it is known ain't a damn thing changed, still the underground king fukker, dance in the reign."

PHONTE - Dance In The Reign (Official Music Video directed by Kenneth Price) - YouTube

I was coming in this thread to say Little Brother

 

[No1]

I think teenage and college kids will consume whatever Viacom and Clear Channel force feeds them. So if it's songs like "I Wish" that is being force fed to them by the masses then they will consume it. It's not as if they will turn a blind eye and deaf ear to whatever is being crammed down their throat.

You quoted the wrong post, I responded to two different posts at once and didn't realize it.

Back then people were just listening to whatever was the radio as well so let's not act like people were sitting there in elementary school listening to anything besides what was hot. You're entire argument is over WHAT is hot right now.

People will not support EVERYTHING their fed, but they do internalize what popular culture tells them, true. The entire thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But music is still reflective of the audience. Why do you think people feel the need to make "songs for such and such"? They are recognizing specific groups that they must cater to. They know what those people want to hear. Viacom never fed college kids J. Cole, Wiz, or Drake. They got big based on their own hustle. Then the machine got behind them Then they start getting cloned because large companies recognize formulas.

Thus, the music is what the average man relates to and wants to hear. Now what the root of that is, well that's for a different discussion.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I think teenage and college kids will consume whatever Viacom and Clear Channel force feeds them. So if it's songs like "I Wish" that is being force fed to them by the masses then they will consume it. It's not as if they will turn a blind eye and deaf ear to whatever is being crammed down their throat.

so because you don't like the style and choices teenage and college kids make, it's now being force fed? (COLLEGE KIDS!! Think about what the hell what you're implying. College educated adults are being brainwashed by the media. Saying some shyt like that, It sounds like YOU didn't attend college) The funny thing, back when you were younger, adults must have thought the same thing about the shyt you liked back then. Bar None is right 100%. You're disconnected from what is actually popular and what kids relate to and just because they like it (believe it or not, they do, on their own accord) doesn't mean it's being force fed.

The irony is, college radio is normally the most geeked out, introspective, backpacker, "i-only-like-my-rappers-broke-and-unsuccessful-so-they-can-be-mine-forever" type of music.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

You quoted the wrong post, I responded to two different posts at once and didn't realize it.

Back then people were just listening to whatever was the radio as well so let's not act like people were sitting there in elementary school listening to anything besides what was hot. You're entire argument is over WHAT is hot right now.

People will not support EVERYTHING their fed, but they do internalize what popular culture tells them, true. The entire thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But music is still reflective of the audience. Why do you think people feel the need to make "songs for such and such"? They are recognizing specific groups that they must cater to. They know what those people want to hear. Viacom never fed college kids J. Cole, Wiz, or Drake. They got big based on their own hustle. Then the machine got behind them Then they start getting cloned because large companies recognize formulas.

Thus, the music is what the average man relates to and wants to here. Now what the root of that is, well that's for a different discussion.

Them nikkas got deals based off of their hype. nikkas wasn't moving units independently like Too Short and E-40 was. They got youtube and mixtape buzz which led to a deal but don't act as if had they dropped an album before they was signed to a major that they would've did big numbers. Lil B didn't get big from Viacom or Clear Channel but if he dropped an album today it would flop like Vlade Divac defending Shaq in the post.

 

[tremonthustler1]

to what I was originally gonna post:

First of all, your main example of the type of music more people should do is a one hit wonder you never heard from again? Would I like to hear more songs like



Hell Yeah. And the truth is, lots of rappers still make reality based music. If you listen to them, then you shouldn't be annoyed by the amount of artists that don't make that kind of music. If you want people to hook you up with albums /songs from rappers that are right up your alley, this forum may be able to help.

The greatest rappers either exaggerated their persona to be a star or went through a phase where they did that. It has always been this way, since Rapper's Delight. You just like the more introspective type of rap. It's not as popular as it used to be, but that music continues to get cranked out.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

so because you don't like the style and choices teenage and college kids make, it's now being force fed? (COLLEGE KIDS!! Think about what the hell what you're implying. College educated adults are being brainwashed by the media. Saying some shyt like that, It sounds like YOU didn't attend college) The funny thing, back when you were younger, adults must have thought the same thing about the shyt you liked back then. Bar None is right 100%. You're disconnected from what is actually popular and what kids relate to and just because they like it (believe it or not, they do, on their own accord) doesn't mean it's being force fed.
The irony is, college radio is normally the most geeked out, introspective, backpacker, "i-only-like-my-rappers-broke-and-unsuccessful-so-they-can-be-mine-forever" type of music.

Get the fukk outta here nikka. Kids consume what they're forced to listen to, it's not as if nikkas rebelled against the current shyt that's on the radio when mainstream forced it down our throats. When I 1st started college the Lil Jon/South/Crunk shyt was the hottest shyt out but it's not as if college kids was raised on that type of music at the time. When I was in high school it was all about Ruff Ryders and Rocafella and lyricism so how in the span of 4 years did the college kids that was raised on lyricism become fans of crunk music while they were fans of real hiphop in high school? The answer is Viacom/Clear Channel said this is the new shyt we giving yall and yall gon like it or else. That's when you started seeing nikkas like Jada flopping and barely treading water while Lil Jon had the game in a chokehold. The College kids accepted the shyt because they had no alternative if they wanted to be cool. The shyt became the only form of "in" music and it got to the point to where every party you went to was playing "Get Low". So yeah college kids take whatever it being shoved down their throats, sure you have the backpackers but they are far and few and don't represent the masses. Backpackers perform in a hall while mainstream artists perform at summerjam.

 

[No1]

Them nikkas got deals based off of their hype. nikkas wasn't moving units independently like Too Short and E-40 was. They got youtube and mixtape buzz which led to a deal but don't act as if had they dropped an album before they was signed to a major that they would've did big numbers. Lil B didn't get big from Viacom or Clear Channel but if he dropped an album today it would flop like Vlade Divac defending Shaq in the post.

That's not the point. They are on the radio because record labels saw that they had an audience. That's my entire point. They are being played because that is what the average hip hop listener (teenage and young college aged people to early 20 somethings) want to hear.

 

[No1]

Get the fukk outta here nikka. Kids consume what they're forced to listen to, it's not as if nikkas rebelled against the current shyt that's on the radio when mainstream forced it down our throats. When I 1st started college the Lil Jon/South/Crunk shyt was the hottest shyt out but it's not as if college kids was raised on that type of music at the time. When I was in high school it was all about Ruff Ryders and Rocafella and lyricism so how in the span of 4 years did the college kids that was raised on lyricism become fans of crunk music while they were fans of real hiphop in high school? The answer is Viacom/Clear Channel said this is the new shyt we giving yall and yall gon like it or else. That's when you started seeing nikkas like Jada flopping and barely treading water while Lil Jon had the game in a chokehold. The College kids accepted the shyt because they had no alternative if they wanted to be cool. The shyt became the only form of "in" music and it got to the point to where every party you went to was playing "Get Low". So yeah college kids take whatever it being shoved down their throats, sure you have the backpackers but they are far and few and don't represent the masses. Backpackers perform in a hall while mainstream artists perform at summerjam.

Now I get you. Now I get all your opinions on here. You're a bitter cat who wants things to be one way, but it's another way and you think your way is the objective and "real way" Everything else must be force fed. The funny thing is that none of what you're saying is correct.

You ever heard of a fad? That shyt was hot because at the time that crunk shyt wasn't big on that level and then it got played out. Roc-a-Fella was a completely different time. Furthermore, how do you know what high school and college kids grew up on? Why do you think that culture and music are stagnant and preferences never change?

I fukked heavy with J. Cole and right now I think he needs to switch his flow up or he'll be stale. I know a lot of people that feel that way. We're his fanbase.

No one was playing "wat we do is wrong" at parties when I was in middle school and early high school. The party music changed and the vibe changed. Just like how we're not in that dance-electronica-techno phase. Music has always progressed.

Were you listening to disco in high school?

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

That's not the point. They are on the radio because record labels saw that they had an audience. That's my entire point. They are being played because that is what the average hip hop listener (teenage and young college aged people to early 20 somethings) want to hear.

So how did songs like "I wish" by Skee-lo get on the radio? Because at the time their was an audience for that type of music. My point is that if the radio spun those kinds of records today then they would be hits. You seem to think that if radio spun "The Blast" 20 times a day that the kids will ignore it when that's not the case. They only bump "Cashin Out" because the radio spins it all day. They'll bump whatever the fukk radio crams down their throat regardless if it's sugar or shyt.

 

[tremonthustler1]

So how did songs like "I wish" by Skee-lo get on the radio? Because at the time their was an audience for that type of music. My point is that if the radio spun those kinds of records today then they would be hits. You seem to think that if radio spun "The Blast" 20 times a day that the kids will ignore it when that's not the case. They only bump "Cashin Out" because the radio spins it all day. They'll bump whatever the fukk radio crams down their throat regardless if it's sugar or shyt.

The same way Whoomp There It Is and My Baby Daddy got on the radio. Catchy hook, funny song, awesome video.

Can you please stop making Skee-Lo look like a massive success story? The man was a one hit wonder. There are better examples of songs that would fit your agenda better than that hokey shyt. Skee-Lo was a cornball. Listen to the radio. Are the airwaves lacking cornballs?

 

[No1]

So how did songs like "I wish" by Skee-lo get on the radio? Because at the time their was an audience for that type of music. My point is that if the radio spun those kinds of records today then they would be hits. You seem to think that if radio spun "The Blast" 20 times a day that the kids will ignore it when that's not the case. They only bump "Cashin Out" because the radio spins it all day. They'll bump whatever the fukk radio crams down their throat regardless if it's sugar or shyt.

NO, that is not true. Everything the radio plays 100x will not be a hit. Yes, the radio can manufacture hits and sometimes manufacture stars, but it's not absolute. That's your problem. You think your opinion is unquestionable. You honestly believe that if shyt like that got play then it would be a hit automatically. No it won't. Not anymore. The fact that you even think so is because you don't know shyt about people younger than you.

No disrespect, but you're unqualified for this conversation.

There was an audience for that Skee-Lo track because society was different, people were different, the sound was different, the fad was different. Don't you get it? That shyt was a fad the same way crunk is. Hip-Hop has always moved in bubbles. The bubble bursts and then something else comes in to replace it. Pretty much every 4 years the predominant sound in Hip Hop changes. When it does, everything sounds like that.

If you're still getting played in spite of that, you're one of those rare superstars. The irony is that hip-hop is in the midst of the very type of era you're begging for, between Drake, Cudi, Wale, J. Cole and Sean, we're in the era of rappers not pretending to be super thugs or extraodinary shyt. They just don't sound the way you want them to.

BTW, Soulja Boy blew up off a song he put on youtube, Drake blew up off a mixtape, the same way Cole got signed, etc. If there was a market for that shyt you're talking about on the mainstream level, it would've crossed over by this point. Mac Miller did. Face it, hip-hop's audience doesn't want that sound you want.

Just like how you guys stopped wanting LL Cool J and cats like that before that.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Now I get you. Now I get all your opinions on here. You're a bitter cat who wants things to be one way, but it's another way and you think your way is the objective and "real way" Everything else must be force fed. The funny thing is that none of what you're saying is correct.

You ever heard of a fad? That shyt was hot because at the time that crunk shyt wasn't big on that level and then it got played out. Roc-a-Fella was a completely different time. Furthermore, how do you know what high school and college kids grew up on? Why do you think that culture and music are stagnant and preferences never change?

I fukked heavy with J. Cole and right now I think he needs to switch his flow up or he'll be stale. I know a lot of people that feel that way. We're his fanbase.

No one was playing "wat we do is wrong" at parties when I was in middle school and early high school. The party music changed and the vibe changed. Just like how we're not in that dance-electronica-techno phase. Music has always progressed.

Were you listening to disco in high school?

My point is that the culture is totally fukked when all you hear on the radio is fad music. Sure when I was a kid you had songs like "Tootsie Roll" but that shyt wasn't taken serious and radio didn't only play that form of music. Right after "Tootsie Roll" some real shyt came on the radio. Now it's just back to back to back garbage and the "fad" music as you refer to is the only thing on the mainstream and I guess im bitter in the lack of versatility in mainstream music because it wasn't always this way and I thought it would've turned back to the real by now but them Cacs at Clearchannel ain't going for it so the music is pretty music at their mercy. When they wanna bring versatility back then they will, if they want faq music to take over then it will. There was always groups like Kriss Kross and Rakim and Cube never complained because they knew after "jump" went off their single was dropping next but now the shyt is just trash after trash after trash with zero diversity.

 

[Animal House]

Even mc's like the lox qho talk about killing and drug dealing drop shyt for the so called average listener. Sometimes u have to uh i dont know "listen"

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

The same way Whoomp There It Is and My Baby Daddy got on the radio. Catchy hook, funny song, awesome video.

Can you please stop making Skee-Lo look like a massive success story? The man was a one hit wonder. There are better examples of songs that would fit your agenda better than that hokey shyt. Skee-Lo was a cornball. Listen to the radio. Are the airwaves lacking cornballs?

Not at all, Drake,Big Sean and Tyga make that obvious, what im saying for the last fukking time is that REAL SONGS ARE ABSENT FROM MAINSTREAM HIPHOP. SONGS THAT REFLECT TREMONTHUSTLER'S REALITY ARE ABSENT FROM HIPHOP. SKEE-LO TALKING ABOUT BEING REJECTED BY bytchES IS JUST 1 EXAMPLE.