Why don't cats like Jay/50 Cent/Kanye release their own ****? How much would it cost?

[YBE]

Labels? there is 4 major labels.
All of them backed by multi billion or even trillion dollar companies.
They have closer to 90% of the market and 100s or thousands of indie companies share the rest. Mac Mille is probably the most successful and big companies and investors backs up the company distributing his music as well.


The question is if it wasn't so problematic, why would these labels need all these resources and history to own the market? Basic economics say concentrate on what you do best, earn bread and pay for the services you need from others who do their shyt the best. Just look at Apple mad cash reserve, mad revenue, mad growth and they still have their biggest competitor building chips and memory for the iPhone and iPad. They stand for over 10% of Samsungs revenue alone. Why? The R&D costs, the risk, the time, the expertise and on is most likely not worth it. Instead they will keep on buying from Samsung even if they've got a billion dollar beef.

You not telling me nothing I don't know. Im just calling bullshyt.

Take Cash Money for example. They handle everything on their end. Marketing. Recording. Mastering. Touring. Merchandising. Universal just presses & distributes their music. That's the only thing keeping them from being an independent entity. I'm calling bullshyt that its soooooooooo cost-prohibitive to add that final procedure. You can record, market & tour on your own but, it'll break the bank to put CDs in Target. Tech N9ne can put his music in FYI but, Jay-Z can't & he has 20x as much in resources. Nah nikka. That's bullshyt, it has to be greater forces at hand.

 

[Yayo Toure]

Alot of the promotion an artist geta is due to being apart of a big label. If a jay-z goes off and makes his own distribution company, he has to figure out how he's going to get on MTV, how he's going to get radio spins etc. Most of these outlets don't play records because they are hot, they play them because they make deals with the major labels.

If jay-z goes independent he loses that networking and kills his own career

Sent from my EVO 4G LTE

 

[YBE]

Alot of the promotion an artist geta is due to being apart of a big label. If a jay-z goes off and makes his own distribution company, he has to figure out how he's going to get on MTV, how he's going to get radio spins etc. Most of these outlets don't play records because they are hot, they play them because they make deals with the major labels.

If jay-z goes independent he loses that networking and kills his own career

Sent from my EVO 4G LTE

Are we talking about the same rapper here?

 

[Harry B]

You not telling me nothing I don't know. Im just calling bullshyt.

Take Cash Money for example. They handle everything on their end. Marketing. Recording. Mastering. Touring. Merchandising. Universal just presses & distributes their music. That's the only thing keeping them from being an independent entity. I'm calling bullshyt that its soooooooooo cost-prohibitive to add that final procedure. You can record, market & tour on your own but, it'll break the bank to put CDs in Target. Tech N9ne can put his music in FYI but, Jay-Z can't & he has 20x as much in resources. Nah nikka. That's bullshyt, it has to be greater forces at hand.

Just like there probably is a greater hand stopping Apple from producing their own shyt? .


I don't know why I'm studying Financial Mathematics and Economics, but it sure as hell isn't to get taught about this shyt on some hiphop forum. Indie labels once had over 1/5 of the market, some bigger once had a big share of that. But their offered services are ass compared to major labels.

Distribution is the hardest thing about it, besides that Cash Money has a fukked relationship with Universal. They pay 50% of their publishing to Universal, so it's even close to being indie. Universal gets all the money and pays cash money half. I don't know about the royalties, but I know universal gets some of those as well.


Tell Birdman and Jay-z to risk all their money for a better deal, they'll probably be dead (if not broke) by the time it starts to yield the same money they're getting from major corporations. Now tell me why the fukk would one risk that money, when your problems are held at a minimum, your risk small and your bankroll swelling? Jay, Puff and Birdman could probably come together, if they took big ass loans and paid banks sweet as interests (basically owning their business) until it started paying of? The easier way would be buying a major label, which would still require big ass loans (the smallest major label went for 2 billion and you'd have to take over their debt).

 

[YBE]

Just like there probably is a greater hand stopping Apple from producing their own shyt? .


I don't know why I'm studying Financial Mathematics and Economics, but it sure as hell isn't to get taught about this shyt on some hiphop forum. Indie labels once had over 1/5 of the market, some bigger once had a big share of that. But their offered services are ass compared to major labels.

Distribution is the hardest thing about it, besides that Cash Money has a fukked relationship with Universal. They pay 50% of their publishing to Universal, so it's even close to being indie. Universal gets all the money and pays cash money half. I don't know about the royalties, but I know universal gets some of those as well. Just like my Samsung/Apple reference.


Tell Birdman and Jay-z to risk all their money for a better deal, they'll probably be dead (if not broke) by the time it starts to yield the same money they're getting from major corporations.

How is Jay-Z risking a $400,000,000 empire by distributing one record?

Hyperbole much.

 

[Harry B]

How is Jay-Z risking a $400,000,000 empire by distributing one record?

Hyperbole much.

The empire is worth 400Ms, he's not liquid to 400Ms.
And why invest all that money to distribute one record? In my apple/samsung analogy it would be like investing billions of R&D dollars to sell one Phone. For it to payoff he would need to distribute mad records, not just his own. Unless if it's a minor label and in that case, jay-z is not trying to be minor (from what I can tell).


To conclude what I'm saying is that they could probably do it on a minor scale like Rostrum, but it's not worth the risk, the money, time etc contra the situations they already have and they would still not have the same services they need and/or want. Risk is the most important thing, why risk 9 figures, when people are giving you 9 figures risk free. People who do that shyt 10 times better than you with a very proven track record.

 

[Harry B]

And FIY Tech n9ne
Have you ever seen his music on TV?
Ever heard his music on radio?

His company is distributed through the same company as Rostrum records.
So Jay-z could start his own company as he's done, but he would still be distributed through another company which he is. It just happens to be a major company. And he got 150 for it and gets to headline the biggest festivals and on and on. And he is still a popstar as he obviously wants to be.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Also worth mentioning and in line with the Tech N9ne comparison...Jay-Z, like most super paid rappers....isn't even making most of his money from the direct sales of his albums...they're not so much strictly in the music industry, as much as they're in the "selling personality business"...all the big money deals that guys like Jay and Puff made a big bulk of their fortune from, has been built off the strength of their fame...their brand...just as, or realistically, even more important than whatever money Jay is seeing from album sales each cycle...he's getting the major label to put the entire bulk of their promotional might into marketing not just Jay-Z's music...but Jay-Z the brand...his single being played every half hour on every radio station in every market in the country is as good of promotion for "Jay-Z, the brand" as any actual traditional advertising that he'd normally have to pay for....is it worth giving all of that up, to get maybe a dollar or two bigger cut on every album sold? Accounting for everything that goes into doing all on his own? Judging from how each and everyone of these guys behave when it's time to re up, unless they're completely washed and have absolutely no other choice....I'm gonna have to side with no

 

[Harry B]

Also worth mentioning and line with the Tech N9ne comparison...Jay-Z, like most super paid rappers....isn't even making most of his money from the direct sales of his albums...they're not so much strictly in the music industry, as much as they're in the "selling personality business"...all the big money deals that guys like Jay and Puff made a big bulk of their fortune from, has been built off the strength of their fame...their brand...just as, or realistically, even more important than whatever money Jay is seeing from album sales each cycle...he's getting the major label to put the entire bulk of their promotional might into marketing not just Jay-Z's music...but Jay-Z the brand...his single being played every half hour on every radio station in every market in the country is as good of promotion for "Jay-Z, the brand" as any actual traditional advertising that he'd normally have to pay for....is it worth giving all of that up, to get maybe a dollar or two bigger cut on every album sold? Accounting for everything that goes into doing all on his own? Judging from how each and everyone of these behave when it's time to re up, unless they're completely washed and have absolutely no other choice....I'm gonna have to side with no

C/S, promoting his brands through the machine generates a lot more money than his record sales.

 

[O.Red]

I think Jay-Prince, suge knight and Irv gotti was going do something like that but it never materialized.... Don't kno why tho

Tony Draper was also a part of that group. And it didnt happen because Irv caught that fed case

 

[Mac Casper]

mac miller is doing it right...

shocking... young jewish guy knows how to handle business

Dude's got a behind the scenes deal

 

[Mac Casper]

Some of you are do willing to talk about stuff you have no idea about, couldn't continue reading this after the second page. I dapped up everyone who made sense.

 

[YBE]

Also worth mentioning and in line with the Tech N9ne comparison...Jay-Z, like most super paid rappers....isn't even making most of his money from the direct sales of his albums...they're not so much strictly in the music industry, as much as they're in the "selling personality business"...all the big money deals that guys like Jay and Puff made a big bulk of their fortune from, has been built off the strength of their fame...their brand...just as, or realistically, even more important than whatever money Jay is seeing from album sales each cycle...he's getting the major label to put the entire bulk of their promotional might into marketing not just Jay-Z's music...but Jay-Z the brand...his single being played every half hour on every radio station in every market in the country is as good of promotion for "Jay-Z, the brand" as any actual traditional advertising that he'd normally have to pay for....is it worth giving all of that up, to get maybe a dollar or two bigger cut on every album sold? Accounting for everything that goes into doing all on his own? Judging from how each and everyone of these guys behave when it's time to re up, unless they're completely washed and have absolutely no other choice....I'm gonna have to side with no

Now this makes sense. I can understand this POV.

 

[King Theo]

correct me if im wrong because i very well could be. but in the 90's on Prince tried doing this and was blackballed from radio and mtv for a while. when he left warner brothers. and he can still

pack MSG...



...without a record label promoting him

...without a video on music television programs

...without a current hit song on the radio

...without a typical CD release to promote.

so i would love to see kanye or jayz doing this in this age. when they can put their videos online get buzz for their singles via internet.

 

[dre]

They had a chance to do that...ask Jay-Z how that turned out