Why don't cats like Jay/50 Cent/Kanye release their own ****? How much would it cost?

[zerozero]

^obviously, theyre gonna get you one way or the other.

lol @ trying to defend this chit.

No. If you have a clean business the FBI can't shut you down easily. The fact that dudes who were already involved in major fukkery dreamed about doing something without taking real actions on it doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone else. Of all people to put your faith in an over the hill Suge knight

 

[Wacky D]

what about the clean people that got shut down and/or knew not to try it?

chit aint nothing new.

 

[boskey]

lol at Suge, Irv Gotti and J.Prince actually starting a business together tho. None of those dudes are stupid enough to actually trust any of the other 2 dudes, lets be reality...

what about the clean people that got shut down and/or knew not to try it?

chit aint nothing new.

 

[YBE]

Wait artists have to recoup an advance from their royalties? . Never thought of that but it makes perfect sense.

Otherwise nikkas like Styles P could sell 30,000 and still . But we know that isn't happening...

Yep. Expenses are debited from your royalty points, not the entire revenue generated from the record. Talk about shady accounting

 

[zerozero]

what about the clean people that got shut down and/or knew not to try it?

chit aint nothing new.

Sorry breh this type of conspiracy mindedness is self-defeating to me. You literally said don't talk about numbers cause it's deep. Well the depth of Irv Gotti is that he was already involved in some sh1t. Maybe someone else can talk about numbers and win

Not to mention, now you can go straight to itunes/amazon/other online digital sales and still sell many 100k

 

[wutang512]

Well just think about it...

Have 1 million cd's pressed and shipped to all major cities in the US.

Then what if the people only buy 400,000 .
Thats 600,000 cds still on the rack that havent been bought yet....

Thats alot of money wasted out of your pocket. Then you still gotta promote, set up tours, set up in store signings... Pay to get your single on several radio stations and more things and people to pay...

Stuff is costly

 

[Long Live The Kane]

If the whole artist owned distribution thing was gonna happen, it would've had to happen before the bottom of the market fell out...and even prolly back then, was one of things that sounded better in theory than was realistically plausible ...to the point where it's one of those glorified talking points that people hold on to forever ... people talk about the shyt with J.Prince, Irv and Suge like it was some highly evolved business plan on the brink of coming together before being thwarted by the federal government at the last minute....instead of what it was in reality, some shyt they talked about like once, in passing (like so many long forgotten "Supergroup" collabo albums that only ever existed as even an idea in a conversation or two)...and made absolutely no real steps towards actually putting together...but today, it's prolly just not worth the start up money and the risk...the majors who've been doing it for a century are bleeding money....it's kinda like asking, why don't dudes like Puff instead of building their own garment or liquor companies from the ground up...buying their own cloth to make the clothes and the fruit to ferment into liquor...and build all the infrastructure and hiring all the employees in foreign countries to work for sub-american wages and all that goes into large scale garment and liquor making....instead make a partnership with the makers of Ciroc and Sean Jean that already have that entire system set up and ready to go, and make hundreds of millions of dollars with a fraction of the risk or investment...the money doesn't make sense...if it did, I have no doubt somebody like Jay or Puff or 50 would try and go get it...50 even said as much during that whole "Well...why be on the majors when I can make $8 an album on Koch" era ...

 

[zerozero]

^^ good point, why would you start up in a decaying, end of life industry... the only real thing for a new player to do here is to build something parallel/alternate

 

[Harry B]

Obviously it's not worth the investment in terms of money, time, expertise , or people would do it.
To have you shyt on radios all over the world, released in stores at the same damn time, TV interviews, marketing all over the world, internet, in movie; commercials, awards and all that shyt at the same damn time is too much for these dudes. Jay and Puff would probably have to invest all their money (ie risk all their money) and years of building a label to have the same services to themselves as a major label offers and for what? Have a few Jews of their payrolls? Let's not forget that these people are artists, entertainers.


There is a reason to why the major labels are major companies.

UMG > Vivendi: multi billion dollar corporation since 1843
Sony Entertainment > Sony: Billions since 1946
EMI > owned by Citigroup 3 trillion in assets
WMG > Used to be Time Warner billions since 1918

And the company that distributes Rostrum (Fontana) is a company with a lot of big investors, and they still don't offer the type of services a dude like Jay-z or Kanye needs and they were founded by UMG (before the merger or how ever it was founded) it's a whole complicated network of independent labels and shyt.

So in the end, Jay-z is gonna think what's best for my music and my money.
He's got a good situation, why change it?

 

[lamont614]

Well just think about it...

Have 1 million cd's pressed and shipped to all major cities in the US.

Then what if the people only buy 400,000 .
Thats 600,000 cds still on the rack that havent been bought yet....

Thats alot of money wasted out of your pocket. Then you still gotta promote, set up tours, set up in store signings... Pay to get your single on several radio stations and more things and people to pay...

Stuff is costly

Why ya keep talking bout CDs


Really what's the last cd u bought


Why don't jayz just release his stuff through iTunes only



All the music for the past year I dowoaded on my computer and just burned to a blank cd

 

[Long Live The Kane]

^^ good point, why would you start up in a decaying, end of life industry... the only real thing for a new player to do here is to build something parallel/alternate

Yeah some kind of rap version of the Louis C.K. model seems doable

 

[50CentStan]

The music industry is controlled by a mafia of demons and they always want their cut of your pain and suffering.

Its so demonic, friends.

I'm so glad mr somebody is back. The man is a legend, and so angelic, friends.

 

[L&HH]

yea was talking to one of my peoples about that shyt....Jay, diddy and etc should just put out their own shyt.

I think Jay-Prince, suge knight and Irv gotti was going do something like that but it never materialized.... Don't kno why tho

shyt is deeper than rap. Big biz record companies aint goin let them do that. When them nikkas tried to do that they ll started coming down with fed cases and shyt.

 

[YBE]

Obviously it's not worth the investment in terms of money, time, expertise , or people would do it.
To have you shyt on radios all over the world, released in stores at the same damn time, TV interviews, marketing all over the world, internet, in movie; commercials, awards and all that shyt at the same damn time is too much for these dudes. Jay and Puff would probably have to invest all their money (ie risk all their money) and years of building a label to have the same services to themselves as a major label offers and for what? Have a few Jews of their payrolls? Let's not forget that these people are artists, entertainers.


There is a reason to why the major labels are major companies.

UMG > Vivendi: multi billion dollar corporation since 1843
Sony Entertainment > Sony: Billions since 1946
EMI > owned by Citigroup 3 trillion in assets
WMG > Used to be Time Warner billions since 1918

That's bullshyt. If it was that problematic, what incentive do labels have in the first place.

 

[Harry B]

That's bullshyt. If it was that problematic, what incentive do labels have in the first place.

Labels? there is 4 major labels.
All of them backed by multi billion or even trillion dollar companies.
They have closer to 90% of the market and 100s or thousands of indie companies share the rest. Mac Mille is probably the most successful and big companies and investors backs up the company distributing his music as well.


The question is if it wasn't so problematic, why would these labels need all these resources and history to own the market? Basic economics say concentrate on what you do best, earn bread and pay for the services you need from others who do their shyt the best. Just look at Apple mad cash reserve, mad revenue, mad growth and they still have their biggest competitor building chips and memory for the iPhone and iPad. They stand for over 10% of Samsungs revenue alone. Why? The R&D costs, the risk, the time, the expertise and on is most likely not worth it. Instead they will keep on buying from Samsung even if they've got a billion dollar beef.