Why don't cats like Jay/50 Cent/Kanye release their own ****? How much would it cost?

[Insensitive]

thats correct. Jigga Boo Jay is a rich slave to the Whitey.



He aint no boss, and none of the rappers are. Bosses would print and sell their own shyt. But they would also get a red dot on their forehead for even trying.


That constitutes slavery. Doing what other people order you to do.


But dont stress that, a real nikka gets all gitty and excited when he hears Jigga drop "I got 500 billie" line.

Makes him feel all kinds of happy and glad, even tho he sleepin on futons and payin rent.




Thats hip-hop heads for ya. What can you do.

JAY-Z isn't ordered to do shyt he owns his label, dude makes the music he wants.
He's just smart to have someone else handle his touring, management and distribution.

 

[The Message]

I think ya'll overrate white people's interest in "letting" us do shyt and underrate black people's apathy. If somebody wanted to get it done it would happen. Maybe not on the same scale as Vivendi/Universal but it could work (or couldve before the industry as a whole began to collapse) and everything has to start small

No c00ning, but black folks are the same one who let asians move into the hood and sell us black hair products and chicken wings...simple shyt that we are already good at but stil can't get paid from it. (don't ask me how ). Its not cuz the white man told us not to start these business, black folks just slept on these opportunities.

I feel you. I think there's a difference between starting a business/creating a product vs. manufacturing and distributing the product. Puff, 50, etc controlling the artistry AND distribution cuts into the establisment's stranglehold of the industry - which would be a major problem for them. It would relinquish their control and that's all it's about - control. You're right though, if we got right and came together - they couldnt stop us.

Look at hip hop - it used to be dangerous. They were scared of it because it was ours and ours alone and they couldnt understand it. They said eff it, whether we hate it or dont understand, lets control it, exploit it, capitalize off of it and make a profit (sound familiar?). Then we let go of the reigns and here we are today. They knew how powerful it was (and still do).

On a smaller scale, white folks aint stopping me and you from coming up on some millions. Now, billions? And we control every aspect of the business structure? That changes things. I think a lot about if it would have been a young black man who created Facebook and what kind of issues and resistance he would encounter.

I just think as a people we've just been conditioned to be consumers and not producers; employees instead of owners - even other races, whites included - but our problem is much deeper.

 

[boskey]

I feel you. I think there's a difference between starting a business/creating a product vs. manufacturing and distributing the product. Puff, 50, etc controlling the artistry AND distribution cuts into the establisment's stranglehold of the industry - which would be a major problem for them. It would relinquish their control and that's all it's about - control. You're right though, if we got right and came together - they couldnt stop us.

Look at hip hop - it used to be dangerous. They were scared of it because it was ours and ours alone and they couldnt understand it. They said eff it, whether we hate it or dont understand, lets control it, exploit it, capitalize off of it and make a profit (sound familiar?). Then we let go of the reigns and here we are today. They knew how powerful it was (and still do).

On a smaller scale, white folks aint stopping me and you from coming up on some millions. Now, billions? And we control every aspect of the business structure? That changes things. I think a lot about if it would have been a young black man who created Facebook and what kind of issues and resistance he would encounter.

I just think as a people we've just been conditioned to be consumers and not producers; employees instead of owners - even other races, whites included - but our problem is much deeper.

For sure. I agree 100%. When it comes to industries worth millions and billions of course they are gonna fight to maintain control. But a lot of that control they have is mental rather than them exerting actual power. Definitely conditioning like you said...

Like we look at Jay, Puff, 50 to be the "leaders"...and it makes sense cuz they have been the most successful. But they came up through the system so anybody following their lead has to go through the system too...thats pretty strong conditioning but its not really a "conspiracy".

The biggest opportunity is outside of the box. The internet should be a great place to make that happen cuz none of the old structure exists on the internet...

 

[wize fool]

Maybe it's just easier to delegate.

 

[The Message]

For sure. I agree 100%. When it comes to industries worth millions and billions of course they are gonna fight to maintain control. But a lot of that control they have is mental rather than them exerting actual power. Definitely conditioning like you said...

Like we look at Jay, Puff, 50 to be the "leaders"...and it makes sense cuz they have been the most successful. But they came up through the system so anybody following their lead has to go through the system too...thats pretty strong conditioning but its not really a "conspiracy".

The biggest opportunity is outside of the box. The internet should be a great place to make that happen cuz none of the old structure exists on the internet...

POWERFUL. The young guys making fortunes from the internet have no ties to the old structure and kinda thumb their nose at them too. haha Like Zuckerberg wearing his hoodie on Wall Street (that's hip hop to me).

Hey I'll be the first to admit it. I'm an employee and a consumer, I acknowledge it but I'm in the process of divorcing myself from that mentality and lifestyle and moving towards ownership - of my life, my ideas, my money and my time. The internet is GOLDMINE. I gotta get mines fam. lol

 

[boskey]

Hey I'll be the first to admit it. I'm an employee and a consumer, I acknowledge it but I'm in the process of divorcing myself from that mentality and lifestyle and moving towards ownership - of my life, my ideas, my money and my time. The internet is GOLDMINE. I gotta get mines fam. lol

 

[Wacky D]

goes ask people like berry gordy. theyll tell you wassup.

this aint nothing new.

No. If you have a clean business the FBI can't shut you down easily. The fact that dudes who were already involved in major fukkery dreamed about doing something without taking real actions on it doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone else. Of all people to put your faith in an over the hill Suge knight

lol @ a clean business. the entire industry is dirty. cmon man.

they did in fact take real actions towards getting this done. thats why they all suddenly got hit with cases around the same time. what you thought it was just a coincidence?

Sorry breh this type of conspiracy mindedness is self-defeating to me. You literally said don't talk about numbers cause it's deep. Well the depth of Irv Gotti is that he was already involved in some sh1t. Maybe someone else can talk about numbers and win

Not to mention, now you can go straight to itunes/amazon/other online digital sales and still sell many 100k

okay buddy.

Wacky D is on point as usual.

The idea of them distributing their own music in terms of cd's is obsolete in my opinion. It would have been a great idea in the 90's IN THEORY. The truth is THEY wouldn't let that happen just like THEY won't let some guy get very far with his water powered car. There is a system in place that is controlled and a couple of rappers playing Neo in the Matrix just won't be tolerated. It's not really a money issue as to why they can't do it. It's deeper than that.

Let's say you buy dope from the mob wholesale and you sale it for retail. Let's say you get to the point where you don't need the mob no more. Can you just tell them to go fukk themselves as you attempt to corner the market? NO! The same with music. All of the cards are in their hands. Not just the stores that sell the music but tv, the radio, internet other industries such as the technology that powers the music etc. If you managed to get the idea off of the ground they would just shut you down another way using the interconnections that encompass the entire spectrum.

Irv Gotti, Suge Knight and J. Prince were rumored to have tried to start a music distribution company. People like Professor Griff said that for years. Irv Gotti interviewed by Sway said that the were really starting a union for music industry artist so the could eat even after they fell off. Irv said the feds came for him shortly after and that could never materialize. It was beyond just talk and a person who helped bring unions to one of the professional sports was on board. To the idiots saying that Irv, Suge and J. had illegal ties and that was there downfall is BS. The entire industry is just a mob racket, do your homework!

Just for the record I could see 50 trying to get something going but not Jay or Kanye.

powerful post

just

powerful