Why does Ryse get hate for the same things the Uncharted series gets praised for?

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aight, i'm just chilling, so i'll bite and play along:

maybe cause to the ones that played it, the game just isnt that good/fun to them?...it's really not that hard to understand.....i'm saying, you're trying to think of every reason why the game is better than what others think, including bashing a series that gets praised for more than just being a 'summer blockbuster' (side note: even though you put it in red as a disclaimer doesn't make it true; you did exactly what you said you weren't doing)...if anything, you shouldve compared it to god of war which this game is supposed to be like.....anyway, it has nothing to do with setting (again: god of war says hi), repeating gameplay (which is a bullshyt pro/con when talking about games cause the majority of games have repeating gameplay), characters/cast, etc...yes, those things help enhance a game, but in the end the most important factor is if the game is fun or not....and maybe the people that judged ryse harshly just didn't have fun playing it....I think the fact that during development they changed this from a Kinect game to a non Kinect game has to do with that...don't think they started completely over when they made the switch, which will limit the game...
 

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Repetitive gameplay. Limited weapons/combat options. limited exploration/puzzles.

I've never found Uncharted's gameplay repetitive. Maybe a bit in the first game, but the second and third had a good balance between shooter action, exploration/platforming and puzzles. And I don't get "limited weapons/combat options" either. As far as third person shooters go, only Max Payne 3 had better shooter action than Uncharted.
 

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Depends on what you like. He's not anymore "blah" than any other muscle neck warrior fighting for the honor of his family. In fact i'd say the Ryse story works a little better with the game because it doesn't have the same ludonarrative dissonance that the uncharted series suffers from.
Uncharted has wild over the top set pieces, characters, and story to fall back on. The train sequence in Uncharted 2 is still one of my most memorable moments in the last generation of gaming. Honestly Uncharted is probably the best in the business of giving you that experience of playing through a Hollywood blockbuster film. It does the majority of it right.

Again I haven't played Ryse and I plan to but it doesn't sound like it does anything particularly well outside of having good graphics. Everything else sounds serviceable at best. A better comparison to Uncharted is Tomb Raider which best it at gameplay and graphics but fails everywhere else. Ryse should be compared to God of War and Kratos love him or hate him is an iconic character that caught on. He also has the blessing of having several weapons that changed the combat and play style something Ryse apparently lacks.
 

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I agree, it was good but was/is that enough to ignore the shortcomings of the game?

I think the actors did a really good job in Ryse as well, but nobody seems to care about that. They only harp on the shortcomings of the gameplay, the same types of things that get a pass in uncharted.

You answered your own question. Obviously, if one received rave reviews, then yes, most people can overlook these shortcomings you're referring to.

Besides, this is a terrible comparison because Uncharted isn't just a button masher. It's a third-person shooter with some platforming elements, all wrapped up in one epic story. In EVERY game, you're essentially doing the same few tasks, the question is how well can the developers hide that fact. Sure, in the SP campaigns of games like Call of Duty, and Battlefield, you're also just killing the same anonymous soldiers, but the stories make up for that, and for the most part people enjoy the experience as a whole (plus, a fun online mode doesn't hurt either).
 

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aight, i'm just chilling, so i'll bite and play along:

maybe cause to the ones that played it, the game just isnt that good/fun to them?...it's really not that hard to understand.....
That fine, there's nothing wrong with having that opinion. I'm talking about the general concept of the games and how they are very similar yet get treated very differently.

i'm saying, you're trying to think of every reason why the game is better than what others think, including bashing a series that gets praised for more than just being a 'summer blockbuster' (side note: even though you put it in red as a disclaimer doesn't make it true; you did exactly what you said you weren't doing)..
None of this is true. Go back and read my posts. I'm not trying to prove anything about Ryse and not once have I bashed uncharted.

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if anything, you shouldve compared it to god of war which this game is supposed to be
No it's not. Have you played Ryse? It has more in common with COD than it does with GOW

The combat system and gameplay variety in GOW is far more varied than both Ryse and uncharted.

like.....anyway, it has nothing to do with setting (again: god of war says hi)
Greek mythology =/= Roman sudo-reality

repeating gameplay (which is a bullshyt pro/con when talking about games cause the majority of games have repeating gameplay),
I agree, but some games get a pass for this and some games dont. Why?

characters/cast, etc...yes, those things help enhance a game, but in the end the most important factor is if the game is fun or not....and maybe the people that judged ryse harshly just didn't have fun playing it...
Plenty of reviewers said they had a lot of fun with Ryse, but they still subtracted a lot of points for things like repetitive gameplay. With uncharted it is the opposite the gameplay is nothing to write home about, but it gets elevated to GOTY status due to graphics/production

I think the fact that during development they changed this from a Kinect game to a non Kinect game has to do with that...don't think they started completely over when they made the switch, which will limit the game...
I think the fact that people knew this might have influenced their opinion going in. But the game is no more limited than uncharted or other "cinematic" games.
 

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Repetitive gameplay. Limited weapons/combat options. limited exploration/puzzles.
We really need to stop throwing this "repetitive gameplay" card out as an argument. It's a spurious critique because virtually every game you play has some sort of repetition in it. Going off the definition of repetitive
containing or characterized by repetition, esp. when unnecessary or tiresome.
"a repetitive task"
synonyms:monotonous, tedious, boring, humdrum, mundane, dreary, tiresome;
If you say why don't they knock Uncharted for the same reasons as Ryse got knocked for, would you use one of these synonyms to describe Ryse?? I'm pretty sure YOU wouldn't call Ryse humdrum, tiresome or tedious since you seem to like it. Again let's use more descriptive words such as shallow, simple etc.

Uncharted has plenty of combat options and a decent amount of weapons for it's campaign/MP. Hell you have the option to use a sidearm,long gun, melee, grenades and you can even stealth your way through some levels. Platforming also is pretty rampant in UC and you can still utilize it in gameplay i.e. pull someone off ledge, shoot while hanging, jump on top of someone from above. Compared to other TPS games, there's a myriad of ways to play the game. Granted not every combat scenario gives you the luxury of playing exactly how you want, the game still manages to throw in certain parts to let you do just that. From what I remember there were a couple of long guns, a couple of side arms, a sniper rifle, two shotguns, desert eagle, grenade launcher, RPG, wes 44, bow gun and a few more. How many weapons are in Ryse??

Exploration and puzzles were less frequent in UC2 but 3 had a decent number of puzzles. Exploration isn't a big focus on Uncharted as it's main attraction are set pieces, shootouts, amazing cinematography and acting as well as fun characters. Don't forget MP has a lot of meat in it.

Drake, Elena, Chloe, Lazervich, Harry Flynn, Eddie Raja, Sully and to a smaller extent cutter were much better characters in terms of acting than most games I've played. Even a more serious game like TLOU has characters that get you to care about them. I actually felt for Ellie/Joel in some parts of the game and felt like they were real breathing characters. Most other games lack that and the characters come off as mocap people reading lines. Killzone SF had TERRIBLE acting my god that was a recent game with banging graphics and snorezone story.
 

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Uncharted has wild over the top set pieces, characters, and story to fall back on. The train sequence in Uncharted 2 is still one of my most memorable moments in the last generation of gaming. Honestly Uncharted is probably the best in the business of giving you that experience of playing through a Hollywood blockbuster film. It does the majority of it right.
Ryse does as well. Some of the scenes in Ryse gave me that same feeling.

Again I haven't played Ryse and I plan to but it doesn't sound like it does anything particularly well outside of having good graphics. Everything else sounds serviceable at best. A better comparison to Uncharted is Tomb Raider which best it at gameplay and graphics but fails everywhere else. Ryse should be compared to God of War and Kratos love him or hate him is an iconic character that caught on. He also has the blessing of having several weapons that changed the combat and play style something Ryse apparently lacks.

This is so untrue. The production animations, facial capture, voice work, ect in Ryse is too notch. The story is intersting, works well with the gameplay.

Ryse and god of war are not similar at all.
 

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Uncharted has wild over the top set pieces, characters, and story to fall back on. The train sequence in Uncharted 2 is still one of my most memorable moments in the last generation of gaming. Honestly Uncharted is probably the best in the business of giving you that experience of playing through a Hollywood blockbuster film. It does the majority of it right.

Again I haven't played Ryse ......

Form ignorant opinions on gmes you haven't played brehs...
 

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You answered your own question. Obviously, if one received rave reviews, then yes, most people can overlook these shortcomings you're referring to.

Besides, this is a terrible comparison because Uncharted isn't just a button masher. It's a third-person shooter with some platforming elements, all wrapped up in one epic story. In EVERY game, you're essentially doing the same few tasks, the question is how well can the developers hide that fact. Sure, in the SP campaigns of games like Call of Duty, and Battlefield, you're also just killing the same anonymous soldiers, but the stories make up for that, and for the most part people enjoy the experience as a whole (plus, a fun online mode doesn't hurt either).

"Just a button masher"

"just a cover shooter"

Neither game has great gameplay. Both are repetitive. At least in Ryse you can upgrade your character and get new moves

Do you thing cover based shooters are just inherently better than 3rd person combat games?
 

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Ryse does as well. Some of the scenes in Ryse gave me that same feeling.

[Quite]Again I haven't played Ryse and I plan to but it doesn't sound like it does anything particularly well outside of having good graphics. Everything else sounds serviceable at best. A better comparison to Uncharted is Tomb Raider which best it at gameplay and graphics but fails everywhere else. Ryse should be compared to God of War and Kratos love him or hate him is an iconic character that caught on. He also has the blessing of having several weapons that changed the combat and play style something Ryse apparently lacks.

This is so untrue. The production animations, facial capture, voice work, ect in Ryse is too notch. The story is intersting, works well with the gameplay.

Ryse and god of war are not similar at all.

:ohhh: So a TPS shooter based around excavating treasures and exploration with cinematic set pieces and an ancient hack and slash game are more similar to each other than another hack and slasher in an ancient setting with mythological creatures and humans??
 

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Form ignorant opinions on gmes you haven't played brehs...
I'm not judging Ryse like I said I haven't played it. But let's go here. I clearly remember back on SOHH Xbox fanboys were shytting on Heavenly Sword. I played that game and loved it for the cinematic of it. How many Xbox fans wanna go back and revisit that game and reassess it in the face of Ryse being met with a similar reception? Hell Ryse's reception was worse than the one Heavenly Sword got.

We all know if this was a Sony exclusive game the thread starter wouldn't have bothered to make this thread though.
 

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I'm not judging Ryse like I said I haven't played it. But let's go here. I clearly remember back on SOHH Xbox fanboys were shytting on Heavenly Sword. I played that game and loved it for the cinematic of it. How many Xbox fans wanna go back and revisit that game and reassess it in the face of Ryse being met with a similar reception? Hell Ryse's reception was worse than the one Heavenly Sword got.

We all know if this was a Sony exclusive game the thread starter wouldn't have bothered to make this thread though.
:ohhh:
79 Metacritic
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/heavenly-sword
ryse 60 Metacritic

:wow:

I never played it, I should try it out.
 
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