Why does Master P get a pass?

[kp404]

Musically when the P albums were bay influenced they were pretty average compared to dangerous crew and link crew equivalents.
Then when the whole pen and pixel era started none of the no limit CDs or beats by the pounds production could stand close to the quality coming from suave house, rapalot and more importantly the dungeon family.

the only really good rapper on the label was MAC, While mystical came on Jive first. No Limit didnt launch him.

Not questioning anything else here, just the quality of the music.

Re trend setting etc..
P ran with what worked, thats good business. People do that across all spectrums of business.
Look at android and apple.

Come on breh: Alot of those No Limit dudes had talent, alot of them did not.

Mia X is still considered to be the best female rapper to me...go back and listen to Good Girl Gone Bad and songs off Mama Drama like "I think somebody", "Play Wit p*ssy," etc. Plus, she ate nikkaz up on their own record all the time

Fiend was, and still is a lyrical beast. Street Life alone should let you know this

Mystikal was the KING of killing other nikkaz songs. Plus, Unpredictable is a great album

Even though they were not the hottest, Steady Mobbn and Prime Suspects had some great fukking albums too

Mr. Serv-on dropped 2 great albums on No limit; Life Insurance alone is damn near a southern classic

Point is, the quality of music for No Limit from 1996-1998 was pretty fukking good, and much better than Suave House after '95 (On top of the world was the last great Suave House record). And Master P's bay album, like 99 Wayz to Die and Most of True are damn good albums man

 

[kp404]

I feel you. The Bay put P on the map and allowed N.O. and the South to blow up. The first West Coast Bad Boyz was basically a Frisco album. Even the second West Coast Bad Boyz had hella Frisco and Bay nikkas on there. He had erybody from the Sco from all the turfs from JT, San Quinn and GLP to 4tay to RBL to Cellski & UNLV to Cougnut. Lakeview nikkas came tye hardest on the West Coast Bad Boyz on "Stressed Out". The official review for the album said the same. The Bay nikkas from Frisco, Oakland and Richmond on the West Coast Bad Boyz had more talent than most of them N.O. nikkas. But the Bay neva gets much major label support. P soaked game from Frisco and the Bay and bounced just like Pac and The Game. It ain't nothing new to us. Outta towners think erybody in Frisco gay, yet they steal all of our game from the slang, to the music to the independent hustle and never give back once they on TV dressing gay and tryna appeal to the masses of teenage peckerwoods in Missouri.

But P is a legend. He spit straight game about the real life struggles he been through. Whiteboys don't understand because they think rap is all about metaphors, pop culture references and nerdy samples from dusty obscure old school records. Stick to your non-threatening early 90's ear East Coast Rap and leave treal ghetto survivor music alone cause you could neva understand if you a suburban whiteboy "hip hop purist".

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Musically when the P albums were bay influenced they were pretty average compared to dangerous crew and link crew equivalents.
Then when the whole pen and pixel era started none of the no limit CDs or beats by the pounds production could stand close to the quality coming from suave house, rapalot and more importantly the dungeon family..

no limit was better than all those labels/crews you just mentioned.


only south label f*ckin with no limit is o.g. cash money.

Pass me some green was more biting 36 mafia bcuz they the first I know to used that scary movie beat, and I feel the houston biting is more on a screwd up click freestyle bounce.

no dog. cmon now.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

don't forget the hot boyz movie

The 504 Boyz was a fake a$$ Hot Boyz, but we'll give him a pass though because he's a hustler.

Oh, could someone show me some record sales? We don't even have to do the full 80 million he's said to have sold. Just show me half that amount. http://www.riaa.com
@Homeboy Runny-Ray

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The 504 Boyz was a fake a$$ Hot Boyz, but we'll give him a pass though because he's a hustler.

Oh, could someone show me some record sales? We don't even have to do the full 80 million he's said to have sold. Just show me half that amount. http://www.riaa.com
@Homeboy Runny-Ray

im not into sales like yall. I don't follow riaa.

I followed billboard in real time. I can tell you about the circles, triangles and the numbers next to the triangles. from the '90s thru the mid-00s, until the late '00s when the thurl rappers stopped getting deals. word to @Big Mel. the only person I saw break down the circles & triangles on here. he took me back.

all that following riaa certifications chit is moreso for the commercial cats and dudes that's late to the ball. riaa don't even certify half the stuff I remember getting plaque status from billboard's mag & site in actual real-time.

and even then, sales is still secondary to the actual impact.

 

[kp404]

im not into sales like yall. I don't follow riaa.

I followed billboard in real time. I can tell you about the circles, triangles and the numbers next to the triangles.

all that following riaa certifications chit is moreso for the commercial cats that's late to the ball. riaa don't even certify half the stuff I remember getting plaques status from billboard's mag & site in actual real-time.

This. Plus, P probably understated how many records he sold. Let's not forget that due has been pushing music since 1990. From 1990 to 2006 (his last albums was the Certified D-Boy and Hurricane Katrina albums, thats alot of time and alot of albums. Nobody had a run like No Limit, and no one ever will

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

and I remember da 504 boyz was supposed to drop like 3 years before it actually came to fruition.

was supposed to be P & mystikal. then they added silk to the mix. and when it finally dropped YEARS later, it was a mere compilation album.

how is any of this a fake hot boys?

 

[kp404]

and I remember da 504 boyz was supposed to drop like 3 years before it actually came to fruition.

was supposed to be P & mystikal. then they added silk to the mix. and when it finally dropped YEARS later, it was a mere compilation album.

how is any of this a fake hot boys?

its not. The 504 Boys were put together in 1997 way before the Hot boys were a commercial success. it did not drop on time because P was putting so many other dudes' music out letting them eat. The LIl Wayne riders love to try and revise history in favor of Cash Money.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

im not into sales like yall. I don't follow riaa.

I followed billboard in real time. I can tell you about the circles, triangles and the numbers next to the triangles. from the '90s thru the mid-00s, until the late '00s when the thurl rappers stopped getting deals. word to @Big Mel. the only person I saw break down the circles & triangles on here. he took me back.

all that following riaa certifications chit is moreso for the commercial cats and dudes that's late to the ball. riaa don't even certify half the stuff I remember getting plaque status from billboard's mag & site in actual real-time.

and even then, sales is still secondary to the actual impact.

^But not to this discussion. You want to run around and act like he made all of this rap money and tell me I got it all wrong but you can't show even half the sales amount to justify that statement. I think it's fair to say that you've fallen for a marketing plan and are trying to pass it off as reality.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Same dudes who riding for master p wack ass are the ones who hate jay-z for being 'grimey' Like master p didn't rape his artist worse than anything we've ever heard about jay-z doing.

 

[kp404]

^But not to this discussion. You want to run around and act like he made all of this rap money and tell me I got it all wrong but you can't show even half the sales amount to justify that statement. I think it's fair to say that you've fallen for a marketing plan and are trying to pass it off as reality.

If you really believe that P did not make that much money or sell that many albums, you are being delusional. The nikka never had to tour because he sold so many albums! Dudes today make the majority of their income on tours and shows...P sold so much he didn't have to do any of that. Almost every damn No Limit record (55 records from 1996-2001) went at least gold. P, Silkk, C-Murder, TRU, Mystikal, Snoop Dogg, and a few other got platinum and multi-platinum repeatedly. Let's not forget the albums from 1990-1996, which gave made Priority see that P was a record seller. After 2001, he was still selling records.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

This. Plus, P probably understated how many records he sold. Let's not forget that due has been pushing music since 1990. From 1990 to 2006 (his last albums was the Certified D-Boy and Hurricane Katrina albums, thats alot of time and alot of albums. Nobody had a run like No Limit, and no one ever will

Then you should be able to show for at least half from 1990 to 2006. Even though the 80 million mark was thrown around way before 2006.

Dre in 2003:
"Over eighty million records sold, and I ain't have to do it with ten or eleven year olds" -
Eminem – Say What You Say Lyrics

Dre had been around since the 80's up until that point and is one of the most successful producers in the history of the game and he could only claim 80 million. Apart of three dynasties: ruthless, death row and the aftermath, yet you're telling me P who didn't see much success until the late 90's which only lasted a couple years supposedly sold what it took Dre roughly twenty yeas to do. Screw this back and forth debate, PROVE IT or get lost!

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

^But not to this discussion. You want to run around and act like he made all of this rap money and tell me I got it all wrong but you can't show even half the sales amount to justify that statement. I think it's fair to say that you've fallen for a marketing plan and are trying to pass it off as reality.

im not ducking anything.

and checking billboard is not a marketing plan. nor is it something that would make me want to buy your record.

I don't understand what else you want me to say here. youre kinda lost in here talking about the '90s while using 2013 logic.

 

[kp404]

Same dudes who riding for master p wack ass are the ones who hate jay-z for being 'grimey' Like master p didn't rape his artist worse than anything we've ever heard about jay-z doing.

P put dudes albums out that would have never gotten a chance anywhere...plus numerous artists have come back and said that P gave them the chance they never would ahve gotten, gave them cars and money. He is an owner, so yea he got a percentage, but who doesn't when your are executive producer? That meant that he paid for all the beats and promotion for the albums alongside priority. The only dudes who say they were upset about money were Beats by the Pound, and even Mo B. dikk came back and said, nah, P took care of them.

 

[kp404]

Then you should be able to show for at least half from 1990 to 2006. Even though the 80 million mark was thrown around way before 2006.

Dre had been around since the 80's up until that point and is one of the most successful producers in the history of the game and he could only claim 80 million. Apart of three dynasties: ruthless, death row and the aftermath, yet you're telling me P who didn't see much success until the late 90's which only lasted a couple years supposedly sold what it took Dre roughly twenty yeas to do. Screw this back and forth debate, PROVE IT or get lost!

Wow so you take a lyric from an Eminem song and wham, there's your proof that Dre sold all those records huh. No Limit had dozens of artists that released albums. Its simple mathematics. And it was much longer than a couple of years. P didn't start the fall off until right after 505 Boys in Summer of 2000, so thats 1996-2000 where everything P touched, sold.

Yea, I'm done with the back and forth too because you are delusional if you don't believe No Limit sold records like crazy. I grew up around this time and I remember...you can check the plaques since you care so much