Why does Master P get a pass?

[eastside313]

I just think it's hilarious how he gets lauded for being the "biggest hustler" and "the best businessman" when No Limit went bankrupt over a decade ago, loss all the rights to the catalog, and he's followed it with nothing but an endless chain of failures...he's in that Suge/Dame Dash pantheon of washed up former rap label moguls that lost their fortunes and are shells of themselves...yet somehow, people seem to be under the impression that Percy is still sitting pretty on a couple hundred milly or some sh!t ... his most recent "denounce gangsta rap in front of congress....then run back to it in a last ditch effort to get hot again and bite the fukk outta Boosie and Rick Ross because I'm broke and the feds are seizing and liquidating my assets because I can't afford to pay off a $240K debt" flip-flop is some of the most shameful sh!t in recent rap memory

You need to do your history on why people like p and suge companies went bankrupt bruh. When you actually own your company and own your catalog whiteys not gonna stop until you lose that asset.

P tried to be positive and come with something that would actually help people but none of these c00n ass nikkas out here wanted to help. They'll dance around with a bottle of ciroc and promote Molly like it's Fukkin chicken, but when P was tryin to change the game with a distribution company after no limit or better black tv it was crickets out here. But see how quick there clowns will be to promote revolt tv since diddy will have the white man throw you some kibble and bits for doing it.

Bankruptcy is a game rich people play everyday, is it shameful that Donald trum has filed numerous times?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

But most of the dame "business skills" dikkriding was just people hating on Jay Z. Let's be honest

And even He gets made fun of as well

I won't discredit what dudes like Dame or P did while they were on...Dame was legitimately great at brand promotion during the Roc days and P legitimately built an empire with NL during it's peak...they both just were lacking in ways that ultimately made their business models unsustainable....but yeah I was agreeing with you when I brought up Dame, he gets roundly clowned all the time now for falling off

I vaguely remember the story of P slapping Baby's brother Gangsta back when he was in N.O. before moving to Cali. Prolly why NL and CMR never fukked with each other.

He doesn't go into the details, but in an interview with FEDS magazine he talks about getting into it with Gangsta because word on the street was that he killed P's cousin...I'm guessing it had to be years after P moved to Cali though, sometime after he moved back...because Gangsta is Baby and Slim's little brother (and main goon/shooter in the late 90's before he got knocked), just a few years older than BG...he would've been basically a kid before P moved to the bay

Oh yeah, another notorious man was one of my cousins, Randall Watts, he was a notorious hit man in New Orleans. When you would say that name people would just run. A couple of years ago he was killed, that’s how it is. You just sit down and you say,”DAMN!” But he killed people too, so I guess that’s how the game goes. You know how it goes, you get caught up in the judicial system, and now you ain’t carryin your gun, because you have a case and then someone shoots you.

That’s how I had a run in with Gangster(Slim and Baby of Cash Money’s brother) but I didn’t know him and he didn’t know me. He probably thought I had a problem with him, but people started pointing fingers saying, “Oh he did it.” It’s sad, but that’s how we live, and he ended up not having anything to do with it, but at the time that’s how it goes. If somebody thought you had something to do with it, then that was how it had to be. My thing is I’m just so glad to be at this stage, able to come from a lifestyle like that. It made me solid, which is how I can survive in this side of the business, because I went through that lifestyle.

You need to do your history on why people like p and suge companies went bankrupt bruh. When you actually own your company and own your catalog whiteys not gonna stop until you lose that asset.

P tried to be positive and come with something that would actually help people but none of these c00n ass nikkas out here wanted to help. They'll dance around with a bottle of ciroc and promote Molly like it's Fukkin chicken, but when P was tryin to change the game with a distribution company after no limit or better black tv it was crickets out here. But see how quick there clowns will be to promote revolt tv since diddy will have the white man throw you some kibble and bits for doing it.

Bankruptcy is a game rich people play everyday, is it shameful that Donald trum has filed numerous times?

P and Suge's companies went bankrupt because of mismanagement, simple as that...this is more of the silly myth making I'm talking about ...making up vague conspiracy theories to fill in the gaps of dudes' ineptitude in an effort to preserve some of kind of legend instead of reality...in Suge's case he couldn't leave all the extracurricular gangsta sh!t alone and saw his biggest and most profitable acts either run off to get away from the drama (Dre and Snoop) or killed getting them involved in his own personal LA gang bang politics (2pac)...you run your business with all types of credit extended under the assumption that you're gonna be generating money like your peak years forever, but then within a short couple of years you have a depleted roster and you're sitting in prison behind some stupid sh!t that YOU did...and you're gonna run into trouble keeping the company afloat

In P's case, he got incredibly gassed and overextended himself into all kinds of business realms he had ZERO level of expertise in...didn't bother to hire people who actually knew what they were doing (there is NO SHAME in delegation, it's part of being a boss)...and when the businesses end up failing and he takes a loss from money he invested into them from revenue generated from the label (one of the reasons Jay and Dame fell out, Dame was doing the same thing with Roc-a-Fella money)...and musically he's fallen off and not making nearly the type of money he was initially...he gets stuck, the label goes under and he has to put it through bankruptcy to protect himself personally...the main problem with that is back in the day when P was estimated to be worth like $400million dollars and all that, it wasn't because he had 400milly sitting in the bank in cash or gold bullion...the vast majority of it was the estimated worth of No Limit Records at it's peak, with P as the owner...a company that ended up not being actually worth sh!t after the bankruptcy and that he lost all rights to even future earnings from

Here's a kind related video of KLC from Beats by the Pound basically mocking P for not owning the catalog anymore towards the end...turns out he (KLC) ended up getting it after ligation



That Better Black TV sh!t is classic example of what ended up sinking NL...the sh!t was a joke..everything about the station looked liked cheap, amatuerish, bootleg imitations of stuff already on the air...and it's no telling how much money P wasted trying to get that sh!t off the ground...imitation Tyler Perry sitcoms and imitation 106 and Park with Silkk Da Shocker hosting




No Limit didn't have to have the type of run on top as an independently black owned label like Cash Money has, but there's absolutely no reason why he couldn't have maintained it like J. Prince has Rap-a-Lot...he still owns his catalog and has kept the company afloat all these year...and that's with the feds ACTUALLY trying to take him down for years in real life...not some ole "i ran my business into the grown and did nothing but waste money in failed business ventures over and over again....MUST BE WHITEY!" bullsh!t

Like I said before, the difference between Trump and P is...Trump was MORE successful after bankruptcy than before...and every time he filed, he did so willingly to get from under debt...not like P who hasn't done sh!t of note successfully since the 90's and was forced into involuntary bankruptcy because he couldn't scrub up 250k in cash to pay off the cast on one of the failed movies he tried to make

 

[Patriarch]

I just think it's hilarious how he gets lauded for being the "biggest hustler" and "the best businessman" when No Limit went bankrupt over a decade ago, loss all the rights to the catalog, and he's followed it with nothing but an endless chain of failures...he's in that Suge/Dame Dash pantheon of washed up former rap label moguls that lost their fortunes and are shells of themselves...yet somehow, people seem to be under the impression that Percy is still sitting pretty on a couple hundred milly or some sh!t

Young nikka , J Prince said it best on the Emeritus intro.

"There's a conspiracy to destroy all black entrepreneurs in hip hop"

Spoiler

Feds didn't just try to bring down P , but Irv Gotti , Jermaine Dupri , J Prince ,Suge etc etc

 

[theflyest]

I liked Nolimit back in the day, but they actually started to fall off musically when Pac died imo. When beats by the pound left that was the nail in the coffin.

The worst thing about the Pac biting is that he sounded way better when he wasn't biting him. Pac's death was the worst thing to happen to P & C-Murder as artists.

He was definitely influenced by Scarface & E-40, but it wasn't as extreme as his 2pac obsession.

The biting was ridiculous, but unfortunately it's all part of the game. Anytime someone does something hot, everyone does it. He saw what worked & would emulate it or what worked locally and pass it off as his own.

 

[Sir Digby Lloyd Spliff]

Master P gets a pass

Stop talking garbage brehs

 

[hrpaperstacks]

Bumpin After Dollaz No Cents as we speak

 

[kp404]

there were rumours in the late 90s that George made sexual advances or molested someone in P's family (probably P's wife Sonya). thats why he got dealt with like this

Yea from what I remember, he never tried physically, but he was talking very slick...KG denied it, so P let him go and they remained cool even though George was off the tank...then he comes back in '97 and starts saying shyt about Sonya on wax, plus talking about P being shady, etc...

 

[Long Live The Kane]

.then he comes back in '97 and starts saying shyt about Sonya on wax, plus talking about P being shady, etc...

got any links to these songs or the names? never heard em

 

[NatiboyB]

I think I recall King George on a track by RBL posse or something with Mr cee where he dissed him...I may be wrong I don't remember Kane and Abel or MR Servon actually dissing him after the tank fell off.

 

[kp404]

got any links to these songs or the names? never heard em

Let me search...he had the jabs on his albums, TRU Playa, No Limit, and Playaz and Hustlaz Vol. 1...

Edit: here's one I found

 

[kp404]

I think I recall King George on a track by RBL posse or something with Mr cee where he dissed him...I may be wrong I don't remember Kane and Abel or MR Servon actually dissing him after the tank fell off.

Actually Serv-On has said numerous times how much love he still has for P for giving him the chance to do something with his life and getting him paper...On damn near every album post No limit, he shouts P out...


Kane & Abel had no beef, their contract was up and they wanted their own label, so they left, no issues

 

[kp404]

Here's a vid I found from '94 of the West Coast Bad Boyz...never seen this before, but man, P was a hustla...

 

[WithTheShit]

P is that dude..but he bit pimp c more than anyone




but what y'all know about this

Aye as a young nikka I used to slap them 1st two I brought them back in the early 2000s


Pass me some green was more biting 36 mafia bcuz they the first I know to used that scary movie beat, and I feel the houston biting is more on a screwd up click freestyle bounce.


I fukk with this P







the only thing I and other bay nikkas dont like is that before P came to the bay he had no hustle or name when it came to this music shyt. Him and his fam also was claiming this shyt and he did that because he had to, to survive out here. He was bangin richmond hard on Record until 96 once the bay's hype died down. I mean if you let a nikka rock with you for damn near TEN YEARS, nikkas done got into it in the streets over letting you claim this shyt and reap the benefits. So of course nikkas feel some typa way. Everything yall love about P, he learned from some bay nikkas he might of did it the biggest once he jumpd ship but it never wouldnt of happen ilike it did if he never lived and learned from the bay, and I dont think nobody cares if he from NO ive met nikkas from NO out here, koo rep where you from and take what come with it more like the c murder route evwn tho murder was claiming The Rich too. It was just the fact that he was all NO til he felt the pressure of that then start claimin south richmond start puttin all the goons from the riches on to get the richmond pass plus he was rockin with Ea ski witch gave him his oakland pass Witch gave him the oppertunity to fukk with the big rap heads in the bay witch is how he learned everything he famous for now. And thats all lovely but itvseem soon as he got on he forgot about all that because hecnever fukkd with or put no bay nikkas on until this day. He only fukkd with know rappers like 40 and short. Thats some sucka shyt.














But I give major peops to bruh. He went thru nikkas states and spread his shyt. nikka was his OWN twitter. Thats why itcwas so easy to claim richmond without somebody from the n.o going in or vice versa hen it come to that a nikka cant pull that move nowadays but its a great marketing plot. 2states offtop backing you up cuz u claim them. But we gotta admit he did his thang when it come to hustling in this music

 

[thephatmack]

Musically when the P albums were bay influenced they were pretty average compared to dangerous crew and link crew equivalents.
Then when the whole pen and pixel era started none of the no limit CDs or beats by the pounds production could stand close to the quality coming from suave house, rapalot and more importantly the dungeon family.

the only really good rapper on the label was MAC, While mystical came on Jive first. No Limit didnt launch him.

Not questioning anything else here, just the quality of the music.

Re trend setting etc..
P ran with what worked, thats good business. People do that across all spectrums of business.
Look at android and apple.

 

[LunaticVillage415]

Aye as a young nikka I used to slap them 1st two I brought them back in the early 2000s


Pass me some green was more biting 36 mafia bcuz they the first I know to used that scary movie beat, and I feel the houston biting is more on a screwd up click freestyle bounce.


I fukk with this P







the only thing I and other bay nikkas dont like is that before P came to the bay he had no hustle or name when it came to this music shyt. Him and his fam also was claiming this shyt and he did that because he had to, to survive out here. He was bangin richmond hard on Record until 96 once the bay's hype died down. I mean if you let a nikka rock with you for damn near TEN YEARS, nikkas done got into it in the streets over letting you claim this shyt and reap the benefits. So of course nikkas feel some typa way. Everything yall love about P, he learned from some bay nikkas he might of did it the biggest once he jumpd ship but it never wouldnt of happen ilike it did if he never lived and learned from the bay, and I dont think nobody cares if he from NO ive met nikkas from NO out here, koo rep where you from and take what come with it more like the c murder route evwn tho murder was claiming The Rich too. It was just the fact that he was all NO til he felt the pressure of that then start claimin south richmond start puttin all the goons from the riches on to get the richmond pass plus he was rockin with Ea ski witch gave him his oakland pass Witch gave him the oppertunity to fukk with the big rap heads in the bay witch is how he learned everything he famous for now. And thats all lovely but itvseem soon as he got on he forgot about all that because hecnever fukkd with or put no bay nikkas on until this day. He only fukkd with know rappers like 40 and short. Thats some sucka shyt.













But I give major peops to bruh. He went thru nikkas states and spread his shyt. nikka was his OWN twitter. Thats why itcwas so easy to claim richmond without somebody from the n.o going in or vice versa hen it come to that a nikka cant pull that move nowadays but its a great marketing plot. 2states offtop backing you up cuz u claim them. But we gotta admit he did his thang when it come to hustling in this music

I feel you. The Bay put P on the map and allowed N.O. and the South to blow up. The first West Coast Bad Boyz was basically a Frisco album. Even the second West Coast Bad Boyz had hella Frisco and Bay nikkas on there. He had erybody from the Sco from all the turfs from JT, San Quinn and GLP to 4tay to RBL to Cellski & UNLV to Cougnut. Lakeview nikkas came tye hardest on the West Coast Bad Boyz on "Stressed Out". The official review for the album said the same. The Bay nikkas from Frisco, Oakland and Richmond on the West Coast Bad Boyz had more talent than most of them N.O. nikkas. But the Bay neva gets much major label support. P soaked game from Frisco and the Bay and bounced just like Pac and The Game. It ain't nothing new to us. Outta towners think erybody in Frisco gay, yet they steal all of our game from the slang, to the music to the independent hustle and never give back once they on TV dressing gay and tryna appeal to the masses of teenage peckerwoods in Missouri.

But P is a legend. He spit straight game about the real life struggles he been through. Whiteboys don't understand because they think rap is all about metaphors, pop culture references and nerdy samples from dusty obscure old school records. Stick to your non-threatening early 90's ear East Coast Rap and leave treal ghetto survivor music alone cause you could neva understand if you a suburban whiteboy "hip hop purist".