Why do people try to say TLOU has shallow gameplay?

[502Nels]

The mediums are different, but the enjoyment you get out of TLOU is very similar to those movies he mentioned. They are great spectacle, they are a wild ride, and millions of people love experiences like that, but they are ultimately shallow experiences.

Where the genres diverge is where their strengths should lie, but with TLOU and Avengers they never take that next step. Games should be about gameplay, the best games in my opinion are the ones that give you a great backdrop, great mechanics, and then they let you PLAY. Not guide you through 10 hours of scripted moments. I fully understand that my opinion of what a game SHOULD be is not held by everyone. But for y'all that like the game, you pretend that any criticism is totally off base, no matter how valid or well thought out that criticism may be.

Just because you really like the game doesn't mean you have to pretend its perfect


I could name plenty more than 5. But there would be no point in arguing opinion.

Problem with your your opinion is the gameplay isn't bad. It's great in fact. The thing that separates TLOU from other games is the way ND married great gameplay with great storytelling. Some games may have better gameplay, but not better story. Some may have better story but not better gameplay. It's the way ND managed to put them together and have it all make sense and work together to create a classic game

 

[TheGodling]

Following the logic of people here every third-person shooter (or first-person shooter) that isn't open world has shallow gameplay.

I'd say TLOU actually offers a lot more diversity because you have multiple approaches. You can take out enemies stealthy or go full assault, either rely on guns or on melee weapons, make heavy use of traps and smoke bombs or simply distract them and sneak around them altogether. That's more variety than most action games have to offer.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Problem with your your opinion is the gameplay isn't bad. It's great in fact. The thing that separates TLOU from other games is the way ND married great gameplay with great storytelling. Some games may have better gameplay, but not better story. Some may have better story but not better gameplay. It's the way ND managed to put them together and have it all make sense and work together to create a classic game

I never said the gameplay is bad. It's just not as good as plenty of other games. And I like to play games that let me PLAY. As opposed to directing me to do what they want me to do.

You and I can play TLOU and have the same exact experince. You and I can play Skyrim, and it could seem as though we played totaly different games.

I like my games to be more like skyrim

 

[502Nels]

I never said the gameplay is bad. It's just not as good as plenty of other games. And I like to play games that let me PLAY. As opposed to directing me to do what they want me to do.

You and I can play TLOU and have the same exact experince. You and I can play Skyrim, and it could seem as though we played totaly different games.

I like my games to be more like skyrim

Like the guy above you just said, you can play TLOU many different ways. You'll end up at the same point but let's not sit here and act like there aren't many different ways to get there.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Like the guy above you just said, you can play TLOU many different ways. You'll end up at the same point but let's not sit here and act like there aren't many different ways to get there.

But none of them have any realy impact on the experince. You could walk up and hit them in the back of the head or you can shoot them but nothing really changes. The strategy you use in the first combat situation is the same exact one you will use in the last. You might have a differnt type of bat/gun. But it's still the same shyt

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Because it does.

It's basically just corridors(although beautifully rendered to give a sense of openness) and arenas.

Walk down the halway, pick up some supplies, get to the arena kill all the enemies, watch a cutscene, rinse and repeat.

Even as shallow as you THINK it is, it is still better than any exclusive game released on the xbox 360 or xbox one.

Can we have one single thread where ya'll don't do this?

 

[BlvdBrawler]

To answer the OP's question, the gameplay isn't complex, but I don't think it was trying to be. TLOU isn't really a shooter, it's a horror / survival game. The "action" so to speak was never intended to be the main appeal, it was the story and characters. I haven't cared about a character as much as Ellie since Mass Effect. And before that, I probably couldn't even name a VG character that I gave a damn about.

 

[502Nels]

But none of them have any realy impact on the experince. You could walk up and hit them in the back of the head or you can shoot them but nothing really changes. The strategy you use in the first combat situation is the same exact one you will use in the last. You might have a differnt type of bat/gun. But it's still the same shyt

No it's not. There are many different strategies given to you and you can pick and choose which one is right for each situation. And they most definitely impact the experience. One person may play the game gung ho and another may play it stealthy.

 

[Heretic]

i honestly cant find any major faults with tlou. maybe the multiplayer was shallow but i dont buy games for multiplayer anyway. i couldnt bring myself to play it again but thats not the games fault. gameplay-wise it was fine, it took elements from other games and made it work. it felt sluggish but i think that was by design. all in all its gotta be in my top 5-7 games of the generation.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

No it's not. There are many different strategies given to you and you can pick and choose which one is right for each situation. And they most definitely impact the experience. One person may play the game gung ho and another may play it stealthy.

Lets compare it to another game that lets you choose stealthy or action.

Dishonored. This game really lets you choose stealthy or action. Not only through your own actions, but through level design, upgrades, weapons, and even the story is impacted by your choices.

Or lets compare it to another cinematic game with different weapons.

Gears of war. The weapon you have truly dictates your strategy, and different enemies and situations dictate which strategy you need to use.

TLOU doesn't have this. You could literaly use the same bat throughout the entire game, and nothing would change.

 

[5n0man]

Lets compare it to another game that lets you choose stealthy or action.

Dishonored. This game really lets you choose stealthy or action. Not only through your own actions, but through level design, upgrades, weapons, and even the story is impacted by your choices.

Or lets compare it to another cinematic game with different weapons.

Gears of war. The weapon you have truly dictates your strategy, and different enemies and situations dictate which strategy you need to use.

TLOU doesn't have this. You could literaly use the same bat throughout the entire game, and nothing would change.

Did you just call last of us shallow right before trying to explain how gears of war isn't?


You have the logic of someone that doesn't even play games, you sound like my lady telling me every game looks the same.

From that last sentence I can tell you've never played more than a couple minutes of last of us

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Did you just call last of us shallow right before trying to explain how gears of war isn't?


You have the logic of someone that doesn't even play games, you sound like my lady telling me every game looks the same.

Gears of war is shallow as well. As I said earlier, all cinematic games are.

I was just comparing the combat of the two games

 

[502Nels]

Lets compare it to another game that lets you choose stealthy or action.

Dishonored. This game really lets you choose stealthy or action. Not only through your own actions, but through level design, upgrades, weapons, and even the story is impacted by your choices.

Or lets compare it to another cinematic game with different weapons.

Gears of war. The weapon you have truly dictates your strategy, and different enemies and situations dictate which strategy you need to use.

TLOU doesn't have this. You could literaly use the same bat throughout the entire game, and nothing would change.

Can't speak on dishonored cause I've never played it, but LOL and GoW taking more strategy than TLOU. That's just a outrageous statement. And you can't use the same bat cause it'll break after a few hits

And no TLOU doesn't have choices to impact the story and it shouldn't. ND had a story they wanted to tell and given the player choices would have taken away from that story.

You seem to be wanting TLOU to be something that it isn't or trying to be

 

[5n0man]

Gears of war is shallow as well. As I said earlier, all cinematic games are.

I was just comparing the combat of the two games

Your comparison is wrong tho, you said that picking up another gun completely changes the gameplay dynamic of gears and that last of us doesn't have that.

You can literally approach any situation in a dozen different ways and the gameplay will change accordingly in last of us.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Can't speak on dishonored cause I've never played it, but LOL and GoW taking more strategy than TLOU. That's just a outrageous statement. And you can't use the same bat cause it'll break after a few hits

The level design, weapon types, and enemy types force you to constantly adjust your strategy in gears of war. I don't get that same feeling from TLOU. It just feels like your going through the motions. And I know the bat breaks, but the point is, you'll pick the same bat up, stalk the same enemy, and bash him in the back of his head the same way throughout the game.

And no TLOU doesn't have choices to impact the story and it shouldn't. ND had a story they wanted to tell and given the player choices would have taken away from that story.

You seem to be wanting TLOU to be something that it isn't or trying to be

I don't want it to be anything else. I said I prefer other types of games and I fully understand that some people don't.